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Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I guess that means the tariff is working.)
John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I guess
that means the tariff is working.)
Thanks, Guys.
John
Macrofab is one werCOve used recently, but only for USG work. Otherwise itrCOs
all PCBWay, tariff or no tariff.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I guess
that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I guess that
means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth doesn't tend to end up
a net win..
On 8/12/2025 5:21 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
Ah, but the EXPORTING COUNTRY was going to be paying the tariffs, right?
Sure sounds like John (OP) is picking up the tab -- directly or indirectly. And, either cutting into his profit margin OR passing those costs along to his customers.
[It would have been a great exercise to take a snapshot of all domestic prices before and after tariffs were put in place to see how many
domestic sources bumped up their prices to take advantage of the
extra "margin" made available from importers]
Maybe they are all chinese??
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out
a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
On 8/12/2025 9:30 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/12/2025 5:21 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes. INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
Ah, but the EXPORTING COUNTRY was going to be paying the tariffs, right?
Sure sounds like John (OP) is picking up the tab -- directly or indirectly. >> And, either cutting into his profit margin OR passing those costs along to >> his customers.
[It would have been a great exercise to take a snapshot of all domestic
prices before and after tariffs were put in place to see how many
domestic sources bumped up their prices to take advantage of the
extra "margin" made available from importers]
Maybe they are all chinese??
Incidentally some buyers of Chinese PCBs on Reddit noticed that some US courier companies (ahem, UPS) are charging substantial additional fees
on top of the tariffs to do the customs clearance paperwork, that the shippers aren't doing.
Probably not a big deal on large runs but a couple hundred extra in fees
on small batches is galling. All US citizens are entitled to clear their
own shipments but AFAIK it's not made obvious how to go about it.
Ah, but the EXPORTING COUNTRY was going to be paying the tariffs, right?
Sure sounds like John (OP) is picking up the tab -- directly or indirectly. >> And, either cutting into his profit margin OR passing those costs along to >> his customers.
Maybe they are all chinese??
Incidentally some buyers of Chinese PCBs on Reddit noticed that some US courier
companies (ahem, UPS) are charging substantial additional fees on top of the tariffs to do the customs clearance paperwork, that the shippers aren't doing.
Probably not a big deal on large runs but a couple hundred extra in fees on small batches is galling. All US citizens are entitled to clear their own shipments but AFAIK it's not made obvious how to go about it.
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to understand that.
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out
a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to >understand that.
Jeroen Belleman
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
On 8/12/2025 9:30 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/12/2025 5:21 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.N++ INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was >>>>> cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
Ah, but the EXPORTING COUNTRY was going to be paying the tariffs, right? >>> Sure sounds like John (OP) is picking up the tab -- directly or indirectly. >>> And, either cutting into his profit margin OR passing those costs along to >>> his customers.
[It would have been a great exercise to take a snapshot of all domestic
prices before and after tariffs were put in place to see how many
domestic sources bumped up their prices to take advantage of the
extra "margin" made available from importers]
Maybe they are all chinese??
Incidentally some buyers of Chinese PCBs on Reddit noticed that some US
courier companies (ahem, UPS) are charging substantial additional fees
on top of the tariffs to do the customs clearance paperwork, that the
shippers aren't doing.
Probably not a big deal on large runs but a couple hundred extra in fees
on small batches is galling. All US citizens are entitled to clear their
own shipments but AFAIK it's not made obvious how to go about it.
Just use DHL.
cheers
Phil Hobbs
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:24:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out >>> a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to
understand that.
If a country imports everything and produces nothing (because the
imports are cheap!) it will eventually turn into Sudan.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:24:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out >>> a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to
understand that.
Jeroen Belleman
If a country imports everything and produces nothing (because the
imports are cheap!) it will eventually turn into Sudan.
On 13/08/2025 6:24 pm, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to
understand that.
DT & Co see tariffs as a tax they can collect from everybody, so they
can reduced the progressive taxes which fall more heavily on the rich - which is to say - them.
This isn't what they tell their supporters, whose hip pockets are going
to be hit, but Trump has been liar all his life. It's hard to say what
DT & Co do understand. Trump does seem to be pretty clever, but he's
also pig ignorant and has no interest in becoming less ignorant.
As an egomaniac, he's not going to be willing to realise quite how
ignorant he is.
On 8/13/25 16:56, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:24:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was >>>>> cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math
out
a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to
understand that.
Jeroen Belleman
If a country imports everything and produces nothing (because the
imports are cheap!) it will eventually turn into Sudan.
You sound like my late father, who would also always try to
counter my theses by going to absurd extremes. Surely the US
can sell things it can do better and cheaper than any other
country? Surely it has industries that actually produce
something that other countries want?
DT's fallacy is that he thinks money is the goal rather than
the means.
(I note that Switzerland may abandon its project to buy F35s,
as a retaliation against DT's tariffs. Other countries also
actively shun US products. This is bad for your economy, but
alas, the US is not currently a reliable trade partner.)
Jeroen Belleman
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out
a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to >understand that.
Jeroen Belleman
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
Am 14.08.25 um 05:03 schrieb john larkin:
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
Cheers, Gerhard
On 8/14/2025 12:05 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
Oh, no! You're mistaken! It is the *seller* who absorbs that
cost! That was made clear to us, early on!
And, *Mexico* paid for the wall he built in his first term
in office. Again, we were assured this!
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
Drumpf has a pretty naive understanding of ... well, just about
EVERYTHING.
OTOH, he obviously realizes imposing the PROMISED tariffs
on China will create enough noticeable pain that his base
will flinch at his "deal making" (in)ability -- which is
why he keeps kicking the can down the road.
As they say, "TACO".
What will be interesting is how he will react *when* Xi goes
into Taiwan. Shirley, the markets will freak. He will
loudly threaten and claim NATO needs to back him -- because,
of course, he has a naive understanding of NATO, as well.
(sigh) He is a time-limited entity. The question is whether
or not the Republican Party will ever "stand" for anything,
again. Or, if they, too, are time-limited entities.
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 10:24:04 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 8/13/25 02:21, bitrex wrote:
On 8/12/2025 4:09 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/11/2025 8:03 AM, John S wrote:
Who is your go-to PCB manufacturing house?
We need to settle on a domestic house because of the tariffs. (I
guess that means the tariff is working.)
Yes.-a INCREASING your cost to do business (if the domestic house was
cheaper, you would have already been using it, right?)
Even most conservative economists seemed to more quantitatively math out >>> a while back that some domestic manufacturers doing better at the
expense of other domestic manufacturers getting kicked in the teeth
doesn't tend to end up a net win..
If you buy foreign products cheaper than they can be had domestically,
the nett national wealth goes *up*, not down. DT & Co don't seem to
understand that.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/08/13/breitbart-business-digest-modern-trade-theory-backs-trumps-tariff-playbook/
"Put simply, when tariffs serve as a negotiating lever rather than a permanent regime, and when they succeed in eliciting economically
valuable concessions, the underlying logic of the paper tilts further
toward support."
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 00:52:30 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 12:05 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
Oh, no! You're mistaken! It is the *seller* who absorbs that
cost! That was made clear to us, early on!
And, *Mexico* paid for the wall he built in his first term
in office. Again, we were assured this!
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
Drumpf has a pretty naive understanding of ... well, just about
EVERYTHING.
OTOH, he obviously realizes imposing the PROMISED tariffs
on China will create enough noticeable pain that his base
will flinch at his "deal making" (in)ability -- which is
why he keeps kicking the can down the road.
As they say, "TACO".
What will be interesting is how he will react *when* Xi goes
into Taiwan. Shirley, the markets will freak. He will
loudly threaten and claim NATO needs to back him -- because,
of course, he has a naive understanding of NATO, as well.
(sigh) He is a time-limited entity. The question is whether
or not the Republican Party will ever "stand" for anything,
again. Or, if they, too, are time-limited entities.
What do the progressive Democrats stand for? I don't think even they
know.
I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat.
- Will Rogers
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 09:05:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 14.08.25 um 05:03 schrieb john larkin:
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
I don't like him, but it is refreshing to have someone with common
sense in charge.
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
They are still crazy cheap. And the deal with China ain't done yet.
The 135% is a threat, and China's economy (and indeed China's society)
is fragile just now.
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Free economies have this nice habit of adjusting themselves.
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
Somebody was just dumb, I guess.
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
We need independent rich people because they can invest, or they got
rich by creating wealth. Look at Russia and Cuba and N Korea.
The Laffer Curve is real, and it involves decades-long causalities.The Laffer Curve was never much more than a scribble on a table napkin. Economists have played with the idea for centuries, but it isn't a
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 09:05:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 14.08.25 um 05:03 schrieb john larkin:
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
I don't like him, but it is refreshing to have someone with common
sense in charge.
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
They are still crazy cheap. And the deal with China ain't done yet.
The 135% is a threat, and China's economy (and indeed China's society)
is fragile just now.
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Free economies have this nice habit of adjusting themselves.
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
Somebody was just dumb, I guess.
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
We need independent rich people because they can invest, or they got
rich by creating wealth. Look at Russia and Cuba and N Korea.
The Laffer Curve is real, and it invoves decades-long causalities.
On 8/14/25 16:59, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 09:05:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 14.08.25 um 05:03 schrieb john larkin:
DT seems to know how to make deals. And he's on our side.
Don't make me laugh so hard early in the morning!
I don't like him, but it is refreshing to have someone with common
sense in charge.
When the two of us buy the same boards at JLCPCB's,
you have to pay +35 % to +135 % compared to me, depending
on the moon phase.
They are still crazy cheap. And the deal with China ain't done yet.
The 135% is a threat, and China's economy (and indeed China's society)
is fragile just now.
It escapes me how you can see that as an advantage for you.
Do you think you can inflate YOUR prices in proportion?
Free economies have this nice habit of adjusting themselves.
Why didn't you do this already in the past?
Somebody was just dumb, I guess.
That is nothing but a flat rate tax on YOU, designed to
replace the progressive taxes on the really rich.
We need independent rich people because they can invest, or they got
rich by creating wealth. Look at Russia and Cuba and N Korea.
The Laffer Curve is real, and it invoves decades-long causalities.
Yeah. What you need right now is a rich dictator and 347 million
minions. You know what? You're getting there!
Jeroen Belleman
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 21:21:54 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
On 8/14/25 16:59, john larkin wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 09:05:14 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
wrote:
Am 14.08.25 um 05:03 schrieb john larkin:
We need independent rich people because they can invest, or they got
rich by creating wealth. Look at Russia and Cuba and N Korea.
The Laffer Curve is real, and it invoves decades-long causalities.
Yeah. What you need right now is a rich dictator and 347 million
minions. You know what? You're getting there!
Within that 347 million, the ratio of productive people divided by
government employees is improving.
Ditto the ratio of productive people to criminals.
And, of course, it's OK to admire beautiful women again.
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
Just use DHL.
Wegen neuer Zollvorschriften schr|nnkt DHL den Paketversand von
Deutschland in die USA deutlich ein. Mit Ablauf des 22. August k||nnen
Deutsche Post und DHL Paket vorerst keine Pakete und sogenannte
Warenpost International von Gesch|nftskunden in die USA mehr annehmen
und bef||rdern, teilte das Unternehmen mit.
Weiter hei|ft es vom deutschen Logistikkonzern, dass von Privatkunden vorerst nur noch Pakete in die USA bef||rdert werden, die als Geschenk deklariert sind und deren Inhalt nur bis zu 100 US-Dollar (aktuell
etwa 86 Euro) wert ist. Pakete von Privatleuten, die mehr wert sind,
k||nnen ab Samstag nur noch als teurere Expresssendungen in die USA verschickt werden. Bei allen Paketen von Gesch|nftskunden ist dies ab kommenden Dienstag der Fall.
Wie lange, ist unklar. In der Mitteilung von DHL hie|f es, dass
hierbei wesentliche Fragen noch ungekl|nrt seien, "insbesondere,
wie und von wem die Zollgeb|+hren k|+nftig zu erheben sind, welche zus|ntzlichen Daten erforderlich sind und wie die Daten|+bermittlung an
die amerikanische Zollbeh||rde erfolgen soll". Zuvor hatten schon
andere nationale Postfirmen gleiche Schritte unternommen, etwa die |usterreichische Post, die belgische bpost und die schwedisch-d|nnische Postnord.
Laut einem Erlass von US-Pr|nsident Donald Trump wird die Zollfreiheit
f|+r Warenimporte mit einem Wert unter 800 Dollar ab dem 29. August abgeschafft. Pro Artikel sollen demnach Z||lle von 80 bis 200 Dollar
f|nllig werden.
cheers
Gerhard