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    From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Tue Oct 7 17:56:22 2025
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    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?


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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Tue Oct 7 17:59:35 2025
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    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?

    and
    http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/


    Have not tried any of that code.


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  • From dplatt@dplatt@coop.radagast.org (Dave Platt) to sci.electronics.design on Tue Oct 7 12:09:55 2025
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    In article <10c3ke8$13ub0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?

    I used that one some years ago - in fact I made some suggestions
    for improvement in the algorithms.

    I don't know whether it will "build" these days, given the changes
    in the GUI toolkits over the years.

    http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/

    That's another one I used years ago... and again, it might or might
    not be capable of being compiled using current libraries.

    The Audacity sound editor has somewhat similar capabilities...
    automated crackle removal, and semi-manual "point out the glitch
    and it'll repair the waveform" fix-up for individual pops and
    ticks. I used it recently to do some cleanup on the transcription
    of an old LP from my collection, and the results were quite good.



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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Oct 8 10:13:01 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?

    and
    http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/


    Have not tried any of that code.

    There are a lot of software products on the market but they have two
    major failings:

    1) They don't work in real time, so it is impossible to optimise the mechanical settings whilst listening to the results. If the mechanical settings are wrong, no amount of clever software can put the sound
    right.

    2) Many of them are designed to deal with single clicks (e.g. from a
    scratched vinyl L.P.) and cannot cope with the hail of crackles from a
    poor shellac pressing.


    The real-time aspect was important last weekend: I was playing-in
    examples for presentations at the A.G.M. of a national gramophone
    society. Most of the records only arrived on my table 15 minutes before
    the presentation started, although I had been told in advance what they
    would be. The one of the presenters produced a record she had just been
    given and asked if that could be included too.

    In the evening, people brought along records they would like to hear, so
    I only had a few minutes to look at each disc and work out what settings
    would suit it. (No normal 78s used the R.I.A.A. recording
    characteristic, so I had to work out what characteristics to use for
    each one.) Most were lateral recordings but a few were
    vertically-modulated. Several were 80 rpm and one was 66 rpm.

    There is no way software with batch processing or even noticeable
    latency could have been used for that job.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Wed Oct 8 10:08:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design


    In article <10c3ke8$13ub0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?

    I used that one some years ago - in fact I made some suggestions
    for improvement in the algorithms.

    I don't know whether it will "build" these days, given the changes
    in the GUI toolkits over the years.

    http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/

    That's another one I used years ago... and again, it might or might
    not be capable of being compiled using current libraries.

    The Audacity sound editor has somewhat similar capabilities...
    automated crackle removal, and semi-manual "point out the glitch
    and it'll repair the waveform" fix-up for individual pops and
    ticks. I used it recently to do some cleanup on the transcription
    of an old LP from my collection, and the results were quite good.

    Cool!

    The guy in that other newsgroup just posted this:
    "
    The Gramofile link contains the source code which is "old."
    It may need to be patched. Some distros have the patches
    and updates but others may not.
    Debian seems to have the source and the full patch set:
    <https://packages.debian.org/sid/gramofile>
    "





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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Wed Oct 8 17:02:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?

    and
    http://www.opensourcepartners.nl/~costar/gramofile/


    Have not tried any of that code.

    There are a lot of software products on the market but they have two
    major failings:

    1) They don't work in real time, so it is impossible to optimise the >mechanical settings whilst listening to the results. If the mechanical >settings are wrong, no amount of clever software can put the sound
    right.

    2) Many of them are designed to deal with single clicks (e.g. from a >scratched vinyl L.P.) and cannot cope with the hail of crackles from a
    poor shellac pressing.


    The real-time aspect was important last weekend: I was playing-in
    examples for presentations at the A.G.M. of a national gramophone
    society. Most of the records only arrived on my table 15 minutes before
    the presentation started, although I had been told in advance what they
    would be. The one of the presenters produced a record she had just been >given and asked if that could be included too.

    In the evening, people brought along records they would like to hear, so
    I only had a few minutes to look at each disc and work out what settings >would suit it. (No normal 78s used the R.I.A.A. recording
    characteristic, so I had to work out what characteristics to use for
    each one.) Most were lateral recordings but a few were
    vertically-modulated. Several were 80 rpm and one was 66 rpm.

    There is no way software with batch processing or even noticeable
    latency could have been used for that job.

    I am not sure
    I have respect for how you coped with that in such a short time frame.
    But different speed is no problem even mplayer (audio and video player in linux)
    can specify a fps
    I use 'sox' in Linux for some stuff, it allows you to select playback speed. From
    man sox
    speed factor[c]
    Adjust the audio speed (pitch and tempo together). factor is either the ratio of the new speed to the old speed: greater than 1 speeds up, less than 1 slows down, or, if appended with the letter ', the number of cents (i.e. 100ths of a semitone)
    by which the pitch (and tempo) should be adjusted: greater than 0 increases, less than 0 decreases.

    Technically, the speed effect only changes the sample rate information, leaving the samples themselves untouched. The rate effect is invoked automatically to resample to the output sample rate, using its default quality/speed. For higher quality
    or higher speed resampling, in addition to the speed effect, specify the rate effect with the desired quality option.

    See also the bend, pitch, and tempo effects.


    But then, you'd need to digitize the audio first.
    For vertical needle movement a stereo pickup element with left an right in series should work?

    Just guessing :-)
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Wed Oct 8 20:49:17 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    But then, you'd need to digitize the audio first.

    Aye, there's the rub! No time to do that in front of an audience.


    For vertical needle movement a stereo pickup element with left an right in series should work?

    Just guessing :-)

    You guessed correctly - or they could be connected in parallel as long
    as the relative polarity was correct in each case. For coping with a
    mix of records it is much more convenient to have sum and difference
    op-amps permanently connected, then switch between them. For
    convenience the switching is incorporated into the equaliser:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Turntables/parallel-tracker.htm

    The variable mid-frequency turnover for mono is achieved by adding a
    proportion of the integrated signal to the direct signal. This avoids
    the gain changes that would occur if you attempted to do it with
    variable feedback around an op-amp.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Thu Oct 9 08:13:05 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    But then, you'd need to digitize the audio first.

    Aye, there's the rub! No time to do that in front of an audience.


    For vertical needle movement a stereo pickup element with left an right in >> series should work?

    Just guessing :-)

    You guessed correctly - or they could be connected in parallel as long
    as the relative polarity was correct in each case. For coping with a
    mix of records it is much more convenient to have sum and difference
    op-amps permanently connected, then switch between them. For
    convenience the switching is incorporated into the equaliser:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Turntables/parallel-tracker.htm


    Very nice.


    The variable mid-frequency turnover for mono is achieved by adding a >proportion of the integrated signal to the direct signal. This avoids
    the gain changes that would occur if you attempted to do it with
    variable feedback around an op-amp.

    Interesting, what does this symbol stand for,
    |=|
    connected to the 600 Ohm resistors and cable screen and ground at he other end I suppose?
    feed-through capacitors?


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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Thu Oct 9 10:15:21 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    But then, you'd need to digitize the audio first.

    Aye, there's the rub! No time to do that in front of an audience.


    For vertical needle movement a stereo pickup element with left an right in >> series should work?

    Just guessing :-)

    You guessed correctly - or they could be connected in parallel as long
    as the relative polarity was correct in each case. For coping with a
    mix of records it is much more convenient to have sum and difference >op-amps permanently connected, then switch between them. For
    convenience the switching is incorporated into the equaliser:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Turntables/parallel-tracker.htm


    Very nice.


    The variable mid-frequency turnover for mono is achieved by adding a >proportion of the integrated signal to the direct signal. This avoids
    the gain changes that would occur if you attempted to do it with
    variable feedback around an op-amp.

    Interesting, what does this symbol stand for,
    |=|
    connected to the 600 Ohm resistors and cable screen and ground at he other end I suppose? feed-through capacitors?

    It's a non-polarised electrolytic capacitor. I always use the pre-war German/Dutch symbol for electrolytics because it is more descriptive
    than the British Standard symbol. The non-polarised symbol is like two
    'Dutch' electrolytic capacitors back-to-back

    I use a different symbol for feedthrough capacitors, you can see some in
    the top row at:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/Radio/G8HEH/2metretransceiver.htm#FRONTEND

    The feedthrough symbols with the dashed lines are ferrite beads.

    The cartridge pre-amp is a low-noise design that was first used by Bell
    Labs for telephone line amplifiers in the 1920s, it has a combination of current and voltage feedback to ensure the correct loading without the
    need for a noise-generating and signal-wasting resistor. The idea was
    revived by the BBC for their low-noise AMC/5 microphone pre-amplifier in
    the 1950s. In most implimentations, including this one, it needs both
    side of the input signal source to float - but I have produced a variant
    that can work with a source that has one side earthed.
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Thu Oct 9 10:06:40 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:

    [...]
    But then, you'd need to digitize the audio first.

    Aye, there's the rub! No time to do that in front of an audience.


    For vertical needle movement a stereo pickup element with left an right in
    series should work?

    Just guessing :-)

    You guessed correctly - or they could be connected in parallel as long
    as the relative polarity was correct in each case. For coping with a
    mix of records it is much more convenient to have sum and difference
    op-amps permanently connected, then switch between them. For
    convenience the switching is incorporated into the equaliser:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Turntables/parallel-tracker.htm


    Very nice.


    The variable mid-frequency turnover for mono is achieved by adding a
    proportion of the integrated signal to the direct signal. This avoids
    the gain changes that would occur if you attempted to do it with
    variable feedback around an op-amp.

    Interesting, what does this symbol stand for,
    |=|
    connected to the 600 Ohm resistors and cable screen and ground at he other >> end I suppose? feed-through capacitors?

    It's a non-polarised electrolytic capacitor. I always use the pre-war >German/Dutch symbol for electrolytics because it is more descriptive
    than the British Standard symbol. The non-polarised symbol is like two >'Dutch' electrolytic capacitors back-to-back

    I use a different symbol for feedthrough capacitors, you can see some in
    the top row at:

    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/Radio/G8HEH/2metretransceiver.htm#FRONTEND

    Got it



    The feedthrough symbols with the dashed lines are ferrite beads.


    That is sure is old stuff, for FM detector some diodes would work too I think. I remember the AZ1 as power rectifier tube:
    https://r-type.org/exhib/abh0298.htm

    PA100 was my transmit tube:
    http://tubes.tubeampdesign.com/sheets/030/p/PE1-100.pdf
    was running it at 500 V 250mA linear amplifier for shortwave in the sixties. first used with DSB and then later with a XF9B 9 MHz xtal filter for SSB, using a diode ring modulator IIRC.



    The cartridge pre-amp is a low-noise design that was first used by Bell
    Labs for telephone line amplifiers in the 1920s, it has a combination of >current and voltage feedback to ensure the correct loading without the
    need for a noise-generating and signal-wasting resistor. The idea was >revived by the BBC for their low-noise AMC/5 microphone pre-amplifier in
    the 1950s. In most implimentations, including this one, it needs both
    side of the input signal source to float - but I have produced a variant
    that can work with a source that has one side earthed.

    That 390 pF forms an LC network with the coil in the csrtrige?
    1 MOhm feedback..
    Spice time!
    No idea wat the inductance and resistance of the csrtrige is
    I used a Shure M44/7 in the sixties
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  • From liz@liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) to sci.electronics.design on Thu Oct 9 11:19:18 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:


    http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/other/Turntables/parallel-tracker.htm

    The cartridge pre-amp is a low-noise design that was first used by Bell >Labs for telephone line amplifiers in the 1920s, it has a combination of >current and voltage feedback to ensure the correct loading without the
    need for a noise-generating and signal-wasting resistor. The idea was >revived by the BBC for their low-noise AMC/5 microphone pre-amplifier in >the 1950s. In most implimentations, including this one, it needs both
    side of the input signal source to float - but I have produced a variant >that can work with a source that has one side earthed.

    That 390 pF forms an LC network with the coil in the csrtrige?

    Yes, it is specified by the manufacturers to give a little bit of high frequency correction boost to the sound.


    1 MOhm feedback..

    ...and 1/30th of the output voltage injected into the bottom end of the cartridge.


    Spice time!
    No idea wat the inductance and resistance of the csrtrige is

    630 ohms 720 Millihenries


    I used a Shure M44/7 in the sixties Before that some heavy dynamic thing
    with a real needle for 78 rpm, Phlips too.

    Needle pickups have their uses - but not for stereo!
    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
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    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley on Sat Oct 11 20:28:35 2025
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    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
    I was just reading in comp.os.linux.advocacy about this:
    https://gwc.sourceforge.net/
    did you know about that?
    record click removal?




    Whoa
    Deal

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