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Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
But a converter / charger will be needed.
And when people are at work during the day, when the sun shines the car is there.
At night not much sun at home under those solar panels.
I liked the Dutch winning the solar powered car race down under:
<duckduckgo says:
The Brunel Solar Team from the Netherlands won the 2025 World Solar Challenge,
a solar-powered car race held in Australia, completing the 3,000-kilometer journey from Darwin to Adelaide.
This victory marks a significant achievement for the team, which had previously placed third in the 2023 race
Pictures of their car:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=netherlands+wins+Australia+solar+panel+car+race
Park anywhere, charge whenever there is sun.
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:03:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
But a converter / charger will be needed.
And when people are at work during the day, when the sun shines the car is there.
At night not much sun at home under those solar panels.
I liked the Dutch winning the solar powered car race down under: >><duckduckgo says:
The Brunel Solar Team from the Netherlands won the 2025 World Solar Challenge,
a solar-powered car race held in Australia, completing the 3,000-kilometer journey from Darwin to Adelaide.
This victory marks a significant achievement for the team, which had previously placed third in the 2023 race
Pictures of their car:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=netherlands+wins+Australia+solar+panel+car+race >>
Park anywhere, charge whenever there is sun.
And drive maybe 10 miles per week, in the summer.
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:03:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
But a converter / charger will be needed.
And when people are at work during the day, when the sun shines the car is there.
At night not much sun at home under those solar panels.
I liked the Dutch winning the solar powered car race down under: >>><duckduckgo says:
The Brunel Solar Team from the Netherlands won the 2025 World Solar Challenge,
a solar-powered car race held in Australia, completing the 3,000-kilometer journey from Darwin to Adelaide.
This victory marks a significant achievement for the team, which had previously placed third in the 2023 race
Pictures of their car:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=netherlands+wins+Australia+solar+panel+car+race >>>
Park anywhere, charge whenever there is sun.
And drive maybe 10 miles per week, in the summer.
Bull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuna
and they won the 3021 km long race in 32 hours and 39 minutes,
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of
the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 17:22:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:03:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>> charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
But a converter / charger will be needed.
And when people are at work during the day, when the sun shines the car is there.
At night not much sun at home under those solar panels.
I liked the Dutch winning the solar powered car race down under:
<duckduckgo says:
The Brunel Solar Team from the Netherlands won the 2025 World Solar Challenge,
a solar-powered car race held in Australia, completing the 3,000-kilometer journey from Darwin to Adelaide.
This victory marks a significant achievement for the team, which had previously placed third in the 2023 race
Pictures of their car:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=netherlands+wins+Australia+solar+panel+car+race
Park anywhere, charge whenever there is sun.
And drive maybe 10 miles per week, in the summer.
Bull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuna
and they won the 3021 km long race in 32 hours and 39 minutes,
Would you want to drive that car? Only in the summer in Australia?
Is there a hatchback version with a ski rack?
On 10/7/2025 1:23 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and
charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of
the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Or a power outlet! There are power lines everywhere, and personal
vehicles spend 95+% of their life sitting around doing nothing.
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought
any electricity from the grid since then.
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 17:22:18 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 07 Oct 2025 09:03:39 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>>wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>>charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
But a converter / charger will be needed.
And when people are at work during the day, when the sun shines the car is there.
At night not much sun at home under those solar panels.
I liked the Dutch winning the solar powered car race down under: >>>><duckduckgo says:
The Brunel Solar Team from the Netherlands won the 2025 World Solar Challenge,
a solar-powered car race held in Australia, completing the 3,000-kilometer journey from Darwin to Adelaide.
This victory marks a significant achievement for the team, which had previously placed third in the 2023 race
Pictures of their car:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=netherlands+wins+Australia+solar+panel+car+race >>>>
Park anywhere, charge whenever there is sun.
And drive maybe 10 miles per week, in the summer.
Bull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuna
and they won the 3021 km long race in 32 hours and 39 minutes,
Would you want to drive that car? Only in the summer in Australia?
Is there a hatchback version with a ski rack?
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought
any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought
any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
In the UK there are swingeing taxes on petrol and diesel and subsidies
on electric vehicles. If electric cars had to compete on equal terms
they would become expensive novelties and hardly anyone would buy one.
It is obvious that the Government cannot go on losing tax revenue in
this way, so the time will eventually come when they transfer the tax
burden to electric vehicles. No doubt they will delay this until it is >impossible to back-track to internal combustion engines when the folly >becomes apparent to the ordinary motorist.
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't
bought any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
On 08/10/2025 03:42, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/2025 1:23 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>> charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of
the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Or a power outlet! There are power lines everywhere, and personal
vehicles spend 95+% of their life sitting around doing nothing.
<https://char.gy/lamp-post-charging-is-a-smart-solution-for-uks-urban-ev-drivers>
I'm not sure if it's actually in use in the USA, but has been considered: ><https://www.power.com/community/green-room/blog/streetlight-charging-solution-urban-ev-infrastructure>
On 2025-10-08 1:20 a.m., Tom Del Rosso wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't
bought any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
Electricity has usually been subsidized.
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't
bought any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought
any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
In the UK there are swingeing taxes on petrol and diesel and subsidies
on electric vehicles. If electric cars had to compete on equal terms
they would become expensive novelties and hardly anyone would buy one.
It is obvious that the Government cannot go on losing tax revenue in
this way, so the time will eventually come when they transfer the tax
burden to electric vehicles.
No doubt they will delay this until it is
impossible to back-track to internal combustion engines when the folly becomes apparent to the ordinary motorist.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:13:00 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought >>>> any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
In the UK there are swingeing taxes on petrol and diesel and subsidies
on electric vehicles. If electric cars had to compete on equal terms
they would become expensive novelties and hardly anyone would buy one.
It is obvious that the Government cannot go on losing tax revenue in
this way, so the time will eventually come when they transfer the tax
burden to electric vehicles. No doubt they will delay this until it is
impossible to back-track to internal combustion engines when the folly
becomes apparent to the ordinary motorist.
Sounds like fun.
The charm of electric cars is that they are cheaper to run.
On 8/10/2025 8:13 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought >>>> any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
Actually he almost certainly would have. He's well-off - a retired
professor of medicine - and the subsidies aren't all that big.
In the UK there are swingeing taxes on petrol and diesel and subsidies
on electric vehicles. If electric cars had to compete on equal terms
they would become expensive novelties and hardly anyone would buy one.
The charm of electric cars is that they are cheaper to run.
On 9/10/2025 1:16 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:13:00 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
A friend of mine who recently moved house put one in, and hasn't bought >>>> any electricity from the grid since then.
Would he have done it if it wasn't subsidized?
Not likely.
He almost certainly would have.
In the UK there are swingeing taxes on petrol and diesel and subsidies
on electric vehicles. If electric cars had to compete on equal terms
they would become expensive novelties and hardly anyone would buy one.
A theory that does depend on a lot of wishful thinking.
It is obvious that the Government cannot go on losing tax revenue in
this way, so the time will eventually come when they transfer the tax
burden to electric vehicles. No doubt they will delay this until it is
impossible to back-track to internal combustion engines when the folly
becomes apparent to the ordinary motorist.
Sounds like fun.
Except that the move to electric vehicles isn't in the least foolish -
unless you are as silly as Donald Trump and John Larkin and don't
understand the scientific case for anthropogenic global warming.
Even without wanting to minimise CO2 emissions, you should be able to
realise that electric cars now work just as well as combustion engine
cars. The people who drive them seem to be perfectly happy with them.
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 07:51:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 08/10/2025 03:42, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/2025 1:23 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,The answer is simple:
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>>>
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>>> charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of
the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Or a power outlet! There are power lines everywhere, and personal
vehicles spend 95+% of their life sitting around doing nothing.
<https://char.gy/lamp-post-charging-is-a-smart-solution-for-uks-urban-ev-drivers>
I'm not sure if it's actually in use in the USA, but has been considered:
<https://www.power.com/community/green-room/blog/streetlight-charging-solution-urban-ev-infrastructure>
Is there a time limit for how long one can park at a streetlamp
charger? Does one get a ticket for being there too long?
Or will there be enough for everyone with no time limits? A charger
per every parking spot in a city?
If I park and charge outside my mistress's house, that will be on some
city database.
On 08/10/2025 15:28, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 07:51:47 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 08/10/2025 03:42, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/2025 1:23 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy, >>>>>>>> some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>>>> charge it there ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of >>>>> the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Or a power outlet! There are power lines everywhere, and personal
vehicles spend 95+% of their life sitting around doing nothing.
<https://char.gy/lamp-post-charging-is-a-smart-solution-for-uks-urban-ev-drivers>
I'm not sure if it's actually in use in the USA, but has been considered: >>> <https://www.power.com/community/green-room/blog/streetlight-charging-solution-urban-ev-infrastructure>
Is there a time limit for how long one can park at a streetlamp
charger? Does one get a ticket for being there too long?
Or will there be enough for everyone with no time limits? A charger
per every parking spot in a city?
There's some info here about how it works in Edinburgh: ><https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/public-transport/find-electric-vehicle-charging-points-edinburgh/3>
In particular, see the "Penalties" section.
If I park and charge outside my mistress's house, that will be on some
city database.
It'll probably be on your wife's lawyer's database... :-)
On 08/10/2025 03:42, bitrex wrote:
On 10/7/2025 1:23 PM, john larkin wrote:
On Tue, 7 Oct 2025 10:38:17 +0100, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 09:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the >>>>>> grid?
The answer is simple:
Drive your car to the place where the solar panels are installed and >>>>> charge it there-a ...no extra cables needed.
Maybe they'll do lunar panels for charging overnight. ;-)
Just have panels on the roof of your car and charge from the light of
the street lamps.
I should patent that.
John Larkin
Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
Lunatic Fringe Electronics
Or a power outlet! There are power lines everywhere, and personal
vehicles spend 95+% of their life sitting around doing nothing.
<https://char.gy/lamp-post-charging-is-a-smart-solution-for-uks-urban- ev-drivers>
I'm not sure if it's actually in use in the USA, but has been considered: <https://www.power.com/community/green-room/blog/streetlight-charging- solution-urban-ev-infrastructure>
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2025 1:16 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:13:00 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
Even without wanting to minimise CO2 emissions, you should be able to
realise that electric cars now work just as well as combustion engine
cars. The people who drive them seem to be perfectly happy with them.
A couple of weeks ago I filled up the diesel tank of my van. I drove to several places and the gauge came down to about 3/4 full. Last weekend
I drove to Malvern and back, a total of 180 miles, followed by a trip to
a neighbouring county.
The fuel gauge was getting near 1/4 full, so on the way back I called in
at a self-service filling station and refilled the tank. It was in the
sort of place where I didn't want to hang around late at night - but I
was only there for less than 5 minutes. I calculated the energy
transfer rate to be 27 Megawatts for about 2 minutes.
Until electric cars can do that, many people won't want to buy them.
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 02:19:36 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 8:13 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
The charm of electric cars is that they are cheaper to run.
What kind of electric cars do you own?
On 9/10/2025 3:02 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2025 1:16 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:13:00 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
<snip>
Even without wanting to minimise CO2 emissions, you should be able to
realise that electric cars now work just as well as combustion engine
cars. The people who drive them seem to be perfectly happy with them.
A couple of weeks ago I filled up the diesel tank of my van. I drove to several places and the gauge came down to about 3/4 full. Last weekend
I drove to Malvern and back, a total of 180 miles, followed by a trip to
a neighbouring county.
The fuel gauge was getting near 1/4 full, so on the way back I called in
at a self-service filling station and refilled the tank. It was in the sort of place where I didn't want to hang around late at night - but I
was only there for less than 5 minutes. I calculated the energy
transfer rate to be 27 Megawatts for about 2 minutes.
And there are now fast chargers around which will do just that. They
have to have a big battery on site - the mains usually won't deliver
27 Megawatts to a remote location - but it can be done.
You don't want to drive long distances without a break and a refueling
stop can let you sit down, relax and get a cup of coffee.
As has been pointed out repeatedly most private cars spend 95% of their
time parked, and recharging time is rarely an issue.
Until electric cars can do that, many people won't want to buy them.
It's not the electric car that is the problem, but the recharging
station. Lots of people are buying them - 28.3% of the cars on the road
in Norway are electric, and 88.9% of new cars are electric. Norwegians
aren't all that weird, and they don't seem to share your misgivings.
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2025 3:02 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2025 1:16 am, john larkin wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 10:13:00 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Tom Del Rosso <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> wrote:
On 10/8/2025 12:17 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
<snip>
Even without wanting to minimise CO2 emissions, you should be able to
realise that electric cars now work just as well as combustion engine
cars. The people who drive them seem to be perfectly happy with them.
A couple of weeks ago I filled up the diesel tank of my van. I drove to >>> several places and the gauge came down to about 3/4 full. Last weekend
I drove to Malvern and back, a total of 180 miles, followed by a trip to >>> a neighbouring county.
The fuel gauge was getting near 1/4 full, so on the way back I called in >>> at a self-service filling station and refilled the tank. It was in the
sort of place where I didn't want to hang around late at night - but I
was only there for less than 5 minutes. I calculated the energy
transfer rate to be 27 Megawatts for about 2 minutes.
And there are now fast chargers around which will do just that. They
have to have a big battery on site - the mains usually won't deliver
27 Megawatts to a remote location - but it can be done.
There were four pumps at that station, that's over 100 Megawatts when
they are all in use (which is quite often). It would need an
electricity sub-station all of its own.
You don't want to drive long distances without a break and a refueling
stop can let you sit down, relax and get a cup of coffee.
I prefer to stop at places of my choosing. If I have to drive a long distance I don't want to be forced to stop at inconvenient and
unsalubrious places for longer than I need through lack of fuel. A tank
of fuel will run my van for the whole day, so I just make sure it is fuelled-up the night before and I don't have to think about it.
(The diesel also runs the heater and the cooker.)
As has been pointed out repeatedly most private cars spend 95% of their
time parked, and recharging time is rarely an issue.
That's all right if they are charged at home. What happens if you try
to park overnight at a refuelling station or have to park in a street
some distance from your house?
Until electric cars can do that, many people won't want to buy them.
It's not the electric car that is the problem, but the recharging
station. Lots of people are buying them - 28.3% of the cars on the road
in Norway are electric, and 88.9% of new cars are electric. Norwegians
aren't all that weird, and they don't seem to share your misgivings.
Norway has hydroelectric power, Australia has reliable sunshine -
Britain has neither and people who need cars for their work live in
crowded cities with only street parking. Electric cars are impractical
for the majority of people.
On 9/10/2025 8:15 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I prefer to stop at places of my choosing. If I have to drive a long distance I don't want to be forced to stop at inconvenient and
unsalubrious places for longer than I need through lack of fuel. A tank
of fuel will run my van for the whole day, so I just make sure it is fuelled-up the night before and I don't have to think about it.
And how is that different for people who drive electric cars?
(The diesel also runs the heater and the cooker.)
As will an electric car battery.
Norway has hydroelectric power, Australia has reliable sunshine -
Britain has neither and people who need cars for their work live in
crowded cities with only street parking. Electric cars are impractical
for the majority of people.
What a load of cobblers. What does Norway having hydroelectric power or Australia "reliable sunshine" have to do with providing charging points
for cars that are parked on the street?
Lighting the way for electric vehicles by using streetlamps as chargers
By using existing infrastructure, researchers created a scalable model for cost-effective EV charging.
Date:
October 5, 2025
Source:
Penn State
Summary:
A Penn State research team found that streetlights could double as affordable EV charging stations.
After installing 23 units in Kansas City, they discovered these chargers were faster, cheaper, and more eco-friendly than traditional stations.
Their AI-based framework also prioritized equity and scalability, making it adaptable for cities across the country.
Link:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251005085620.htm
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
Would using streetlights for charging help? I dunno
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2025 8:15 pm, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
[...]op can let you sit down, relax and get a cup of coffee.
I prefer to stop at places of my choosing. If I have to drive a long
distance I don't want to be forced to stop at inconvenient and
unsalubrious places for longer than I need through lack of fuel. A tank >>> of fuel will run my van for the whole day, so I just make sure it is
fuelled-up the night before and I don't have to think about it.
And how is that different for people who drive electric cars?
They can't drive for a whole day on one charge and then fill up in 2
minutes.
(The diesel also runs the heater and the cooker.)
As will an electric car battery.
If you want to run the battery down quickly. The heater gives up to 5kW
heat output and is needed in sub-zero temperatures when the battery is
least efficient. It may have to run all night for several consecutive
nights when the van is parked in the countryside.
Norway has hydroelectric power, Australia has reliable sunshine -
Britain has neither and people who need cars for their work live in
crowded cities with only street parking. Electric cars are impractical
for the majority of people.
What a load of cobblers. What does Norway having hydroelectric power or
Australia "reliable sunshine" have to do with providing charging points
for cars that are parked on the street?
Nothing, you have failed to notice that I was making two separate
points.
On 07/10/2025 08:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Lighting the way for electric vehicles by using streetlamps as chargers
By using existing infrastructure, researchers created a scalable model for cost-effective EV charging.
Date:
October 5, 2025
Source:
Penn State
Summary:
A Penn State research team found that streetlights could double as affordable EV charging stations.
After installing 23 units in Kansas City, they discovered these chargers were faster, cheaper, and more eco-friendly than traditional stations.
Their AI-based framework also prioritized equity and scalability, making it adaptable for cities across the country.
Link:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251005085620.htm
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
Would using streetlights for charging help? I dunno
Like this ...?
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/259pxhohte7l7h1q3612k/StreetlightCharge.jpg?rlkey=3fn04wdpzgp5k32lbddhikewu&st=okvzmusq&dl=0>
piglet
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:37:13 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Lighting the way for electric vehicles by using streetlamps as chargers
By using existing infrastructure, researchers created a scalable model for cost-effective EV charging.
Date:
October 5, 2025
Source:
Penn State
Summary:
A Penn State research team found that streetlights could double as affordable EV charging stations.
After installing 23 units in Kansas City, they discovered these chargers were faster, cheaper, and more eco-friendly than traditional stations.
Their AI-based framework also prioritized equity and scalability, making it adaptable for cities across the country.
Link:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251005085620.htm
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid?
Would using streetlights for charging help? I dunno
Like this ...?
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/259pxhohte7l7h1q3612k/StreetlightCharge.jpg?rlkey=3fn04wdpzgp5k32lbddhikewu&st=okvzmusq&dl=0>
piglet
Since electric cars don't have catalytic converters to steal, the boys
can cut over to selling copper.
On 11/10/2025 1:38 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:37:13 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Lighting the way for electric vehicles by using streetlamps as chargers >>>> By using existing infrastructure, researchers created a scalable model for cost-effective EV charging.
Date:
October 5, 2025
Source:
Penn State
Summary:
A Penn State research team found that streetlights could double as affordable EV charging stations.
After installing 23 units in Kansas City, they discovered these chargers were faster, cheaper, and more eco-friendly than traditional stations.
Their AI-based framework also prioritized equity and scalability, making it adaptable for cities across the country.
Link:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251005085620.htm
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>
Would using streetlights for charging help? I dunno
Like this ...?
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/259pxhohte7l7h1q3612k/StreetlightCharge.jpg?rlkey=3fn04wdpzgp5k32lbddhikewu&st=okvzmusq&dl=0>
piglet
Since electric cars don't have catalytic converters to steal, the boys
can cut over to selling copper.
The charging cables can be armoured, and the metallic part of the armour >might be hooked up to a kilovolt source. Put bolt-cutters through the >insulating sheath into the armour, and you'd regret it (and fire up a
loud alarm). Capacitative proximity sensors might be useful too.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 16:46:58 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:
On 11/10/2025 1:38 am, john larkin wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 12:37:13 +0100, piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On 07/10/2025 08:47, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Lighting the way for electric vehicles by using streetlamps as chargers >>>>> By using existing infrastructure, researchers created a scalable model for cost-effective EV charging.
Date:
October 5, 2025
Source:
Penn State
Summary:
A Penn State research team found that streetlights could double as affordable EV charging stations.
After installing 23 units in Kansas City, they discovered these chargers were faster, cheaper, and more eco-friendly than traditional stations.
Their AI-based framework also prioritized equity and scalability, making it adaptable for cities across the country.
Link:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/10/251005085620.htm
Here in the Netherlands there is a shortage of electric energy,
some new companies cannot even get a connection to the grid.
Reason: more cables and power lines needed..
Network overloaded by people's solar panels feeding back into the grid? >>>>>
Would using streetlights for charging help? I dunno
Like this ...?
<https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/259pxhohte7l7h1q3612k/StreetlightCharge.jpg?rlkey=3fn04wdpzgp5k32lbddhikewu&st=okvzmusq&dl=0>
piglet
Since electric cars don't have catalytic converters to steal, the boys
can cut over to selling copper.
The charging cables can be armoured, and the metallic part of the armour
might be hooked up to a kilovolt source. Put bolt-cutters through the
insulating sheath into the armour, and you'd regret it (and fire up a
loud alarm). Capacitative proximity sensors might be useful too.
Killing looters, that's an original idea.
Make it illegal to possess rubber gloves.
do people steal car charging cables for copper
