• Re: More physics :-) The phantom heat of empty space may soon be detectable

    From john larkin@jl@glen--canyon.com to sci.electronics.design on Thu Sep 25 08:17:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:43 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

    On 25/09/2025 08:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The phantom heat of empty space might soon be detectable
    Solves a long-standing challenge in fundamental physics.
    Date:
    September 24, 2025
    Source:
    Hiroshima University
    Summary:
    A Hiroshima University team has designed a feasible way to detect the Unruh effect, where acceleration turns quantum vacuum fluctuations into observable particles. By using superconducting Josephson junctions, they can achieve extreme accelerations that create a detectable Unruh temperature. This produces measurable voltage jumps, providing a clear signal of the effect. The breakthrough could transform both fundamental physics and quantum technology.
    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250924012234.htm

    It is possibly interesting if it can be reproduced and confirmed in
    other labs - as in Noble prize winning experimental technique...

    The edges of GR and QM are rather tricky to deal with. Neither one is >entirely consistent with the foundations of the other. A new more
    complete theory of physics fully encompassing both is needed.

    Such breakthroughs and paradyme shifts usually start with someone
    observing something that isn't quite what present theories predict.

    Or to provide something for the university publicity department to do.

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 16:14:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 1:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:43 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 25/09/2025 08:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The phantom heat of empty space might soon be detectable
    Solves a long-standing challenge in fundamental physics.
    Date:
    September 24, 2025
    Source:
    Hiroshima University
    Summary:
    A Hiroshima University team has designed a feasible way to detect the Unruh effect, where acceleration turns quantum vacuum fluctuations into observable particles. By using superconducting Josephson junctions, they can achieve extreme accelerations that create a detectable Unruh temperature. This produces measurable voltage jumps, providing a clear signal of the effect. The breakthrough could transform both fundamental physics and quantum technology.
    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250924012234.htm

    It is possibly interesting if it can be reproduced and confirmed in
    other labs - as in Noble prize winning experimental technique...

    The edges of GR and QM are rather tricky to deal with. Neither one is
    entirely consistent with the foundations of the other. A new more
    complete theory of physics fully encompassing both is needed.

    Such breakthroughs and paradyme shifts usually start with someone
    observing something that isn't quite what present theories predict.

    Or to provide something for the university publicity department to do.

    The university publicity department is no more capable of assessing the
    value of new work than Jan Panteltje or you. Martin Brown is probably
    better placed, but if the work isn't in a area he has actually worked on
    there won't be a lot in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_effect

    How on a earth a super-conducting Josephson junction could create an an extreme acceleration escapes me. All the components of the junction have
    to stay in the same place for it to work as a Josephson junction.
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From Jan Panteltje@alien@comet.invalid to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 06:22:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    PS, was just reading this:
    The surprising new particle that could finally explain dark matter
    Date:
    September 25, 2025
    Source:
    University of Warsaw, Faculty of Physics
    Summary:
    Physicists are eyeing charged gravitinosrCoultra-heavy,
    stable particles from supergravity theoryrCoas possible Dark Matter candidates.
    Unlike axions or WIMPs, these particles carry electric charge but remain undetectable due to their scarcity.
    With detectors like JUNO and DUNE, researchers now have a chance to spot their unique signal,
    a breakthrough that could link particle physics with gravity.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250925025403.htm

    So, that electric charge is interesting,
    as it points to EM radiation, links gravity to EM radiation
    Same idea as I had about possible 'spin' in LS particles.

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  • From Martin Brown@'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 09:54:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 07:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 1:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:43 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 25/09/2025 08:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The phantom heat of empty space might soon be detectable
    Solves a long-standing challenge in fundamental physics.
    Date:
    -a-a September 24, 2025
    Source:
    -a-a Hiroshima University
    Summary:
    -a-a A Hiroshima University team has designed a feasible way to detect >>>> the Unruh effect, where acceleration turns quantum vacuum
    fluctuations into observable particles. By using superconducting
    Josephson junctions, they can achieve extreme accelerations that
    create a detectable Unruh temperature. This produces measurable
    voltage jumps, providing a clear signal of the effect. The
    breakthrough could transform both fundamental physics and quantum
    technology.
    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250924012234.htm

    It is possibly interesting if it can be reproduced and confirmed in
    other labs - as in Noble prize winning experimental technique...

    The edges of GR and QM are rather tricky to deal with. Neither one is
    entirely consistent with the foundations of the other. A new more
    complete theory of physics fully encompassing both is needed.

    Such breakthroughs and paradyme shifts usually start with someone
    observing something that isn't quite what present theories predict.

    Or to provide something for the university publicity department to do.

    The university publicity department is no more capable of assessing the value of new work than Jan Panteltje or you. Martin Brown is probably
    better placed, but if the work isn't in a area he has actually worked on there won't be a lot in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_effect

    It is slightly less exciting than it sounded in the announcement.

    They have *proposed* a possible experiment that might reveal such an
    Unruh effect in Phys Rev Lett (a highly reputable Physics journal).

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/mn34-7bj5

    Reading the press release I thought they had done the experiment - which
    if it worked would be incredibly impressive.

    How on a earth a super-conducting Josephson junction could create an an extreme acceleration escapes me. All the components of the junction have
    to stay in the same place for it to work as a Josephson junction.

    I too am mystified by how they obtain huge acceleration and have the
    Josephson junction still work.

    I gather from what I can access free on arXiv that it involves an
    annular JJ (whatever one of those is). When I am next somewhere with
    free access to PRL I will take a look see at their paper.

    I don't understand how they obtain the huge acceleration required
    either, but the peer reviewers were satisfied given it was published. I
    look forward to someone doing it and reporting their results.

    Measuring Plank's constant using the then very new Josephson junction apparatus was a final year practical experiment in my Physics course.
    ISTR it involved a niobium cat's whisker carefully manipulated inside a
    liquid helium filled dewar inside a normal dewar of LN2. The staircase waveform was rather pretty as the linked magnetic flux changed.
    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From John R Walliker@jrwalliker@gmail.com to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 11:21:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 09:54, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 07:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 1:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:43 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 25/09/2025 08:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The phantom heat of empty space might soon be detectable
    Solves a long-standing challenge in fundamental physics.
    Date:
    -a-a September 24, 2025
    Source:
    -a-a Hiroshima University
    Summary:
    -a-a A Hiroshima University team has designed a feasible way to
    detect the Unruh effect, where acceleration turns quantum vacuum
    fluctuations into observable particles. By using superconducting
    Josephson junctions, they can achieve extreme accelerations that
    create a detectable Unruh temperature. This produces measurable
    voltage jumps, providing a clear signal of the effect. The
    breakthrough could transform both fundamental physics and quantum
    technology.
    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250924012234.htm

    It is possibly interesting if it can be reproduced and confirmed in
    other labs - as in Noble prize winning experimental technique...

    The edges of GR and QM are rather tricky to deal with. Neither one is
    entirely consistent with the foundations of the other. A new more
    complete theory of physics fully encompassing both is needed.

    Such breakthroughs and paradyme shifts usually start with someone
    observing something that isn't quite what present theories predict.

    Or to provide something for the university publicity department to do.

    The university publicity department is no more capable of assessing
    the value of new work than Jan Panteltje or you. Martin Brown is
    probably better placed, but if the work isn't in a area he has
    actually worked on there won't be a lot in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_effect

    It is slightly less exciting than it sounded in the announcement.

    They have *proposed* a possible experiment that might reveal such an
    Unruh effect in Phys Rev Lett (a highly reputable Physics journal).

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/mn34-7bj5

    Reading the press release I thought they had done the experiment - which
    if it worked would be incredibly impressive.

    How on a earth a super-conducting Josephson junction could create an
    an extreme acceleration escapes me. All the components of the junction
    have to stay in the same place for it to work as a Josephson junction.

    I too am mystified by how they obtain huge acceleration and have the Josephson junction still work.

    I gather from what I can access free on arXiv that it involves an
    annular JJ (whatever one of those is). When I am next somewhere with
    free access to PRL I will take a look see at their paper.

    I don't understand how they obtain the huge acceleration required
    either, but the peer reviewers were satisfied given it was published. I
    look forward to someone doing it and reporting their results.

    Measuring Plank's constant using the then very new Josephson junction apparatus was a final year practical experiment in my Physics course.
    ISTR it involved a niobium cat's whisker carefully manipulated inside a liquid helium filled dewar inside a normal dewar of LN2. The staircase waveform was rather pretty as the linked magnetic flux changed.

    I remember doing that practical. We had to make the cat's whisker by
    grinding a short length of niobium wire to a fine point. The key to
    success was getting the tip hot enough to produce the optimum
    thickness of niobium oxide on the surface. With too much or too little
    oxide it would not work.
    John


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  • From Martin Brown@'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 12:05:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 11:21, John R Walliker wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 09:54, Martin Brown wrote:

    Measuring Plank's constant using the then very new Josephson junction
    apparatus was a final year practical experiment in my Physics course.
    ISTR it involved a niobium cat's whisker carefully manipulated inside
    a liquid helium filled dewar inside a normal dewar of LN2. The
    staircase waveform was rather pretty as the linked magnetic flux changed.

    I remember doing that practical.-a We had to make the cat's whisker by grinding a short length of niobium wire to a fine point.-a The key to
    success was getting the tip hot enough to produce the optimum
    thickness of niobium oxide on the surface.-a With too much or too little oxide it would not work.

    It seems we were at the same institution and possibly the same years.
    I matriculated in 1977.

    As a theoretician I didn't actually do the Part II experiment myself but
    both my best friends did. Looking up your name to check I stumbled upon
    the rather nice Ahmed 75 years of computing book online.

    One was an incredibly good experimentalist and is now a grey beard
    wizard working on the big US synchrotron near Chicago.
    --
    Martin Brown

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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 22:38:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 4:22 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    PS, was just reading this:
    The surprising new particle that could finally explain dark matter
    Date:
    September 25, 2025
    Source:
    University of Warsaw, Faculty of Physics
    Summary:
    Physicists are eyeing charged gravitinosrCoultra-heavy,
    stable particles from supergravity theoryrCoas possible Dark Matter candidates.
    Unlike axions or WIMPs, these particles carry electric charge but remain undetectable due to their scarcity.
    With detectors like JUNO and DUNE, researchers now have a chance to spot their unique signal,
    a breakthrough that could link particle physics with gravity.

    Link:
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250925025403.htm

    So, that electric charge is interesting,
    as it points to EM radiation, links gravity to EM radiation
    Same idea as I had about possible 'spin' in LS particles.

    Don't be silly. Gravity waves are gravito-magnetic radiation, nothing to
    do with electromagnetic radiation.

    Le Sage particles are even simpler. They don't exist.

    Since dark matter is about 85% of the total mass of the universe, any
    dark matter candidate can't be scarce, which puts charged gravitinos
    right out of the running.

    If you paired up positively and negatively charged gravitino's as
    strange sorts of electrically neutral molecules you might be in with a chance, but they would interact with electromagnetic radiation, and
    wouldn't be "dark".

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney
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  • From Bill Sloman@bill.sloman@ieee.org to sci.electronics.design on Fri Sep 26 23:01:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.electronics.design

    On 26/09/2025 6:54 pm, Martin Brown wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 07:14, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 1:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 13:35:43 +0100, Martin Brown
    <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
    On 25/09/2025 08:21, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    The phantom heat of empty space might soon be detectable
    Solves a long-standing challenge in fundamental physics.
    Date:
    -a-a September 24, 2025
    Source:
    -a-a Hiroshima University
    Summary:
    -a-a A Hiroshima University team has designed a feasible way to
    detect the Unruh effect, where acceleration turns quantum vacuum
    fluctuations into observable particles. By using superconducting
    Josephson junctions, they can achieve extreme accelerations that
    create a detectable Unruh temperature. This produces measurable
    voltage jumps, providing a clear signal of the effect. The
    breakthrough could transform both fundamental physics and quantum
    technology.
    Link:
    -a-a https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2025/09/250924012234.htm

    It is possibly interesting if it can be reproduced and confirmed in
    other labs - as in Noble prize winning experimental technique...

    The edges of GR and QM are rather tricky to deal with. Neither one is
    entirely consistent with the foundations of the other. A new more
    complete theory of physics fully encompassing both is needed.

    Such breakthroughs and paradyme shifts usually start with someone
    observing something that isn't quite what present theories predict.

    Or to provide something for the university publicity department to do.

    The university publicity department is no more capable of assessing
    the value of new work than Jan Panteltje or you. Martin Brown is
    probably better placed, but if the work isn't in a area he has
    actually worked on there won't be a lot in it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unruh_effect

    It is slightly less exciting than it sounded in the announcement.

    They have *proposed* a possible experiment that might reveal such an
    Unruh effect in Phys Rev Lett (a highly reputable Physics journal).

    https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/mn34-7bj5

    Reading the press release I thought they had done the experiment - which
    if it worked would be incredibly impressive.

    How on a earth a super-conducting Josephson junction could create an
    an extreme acceleration escapes me. All the components of the junction
    have to stay in the same place for it to work as a Josephson junction.

    I too am mystified by how they obtain huge acceleration and have the Josephson junction still work.

    I gather from what I can access free on arXiv that it involves an
    annular JJ (whatever one of those is). When I am next somewhere with
    free access to PRL I will take a look see at their paper.

    I don't understand how they obtain the huge acceleration required
    either, but the peer reviewers were satisfied given it was published.

    Peer reviewers are human and make mistakes. I've published a couple of comments about papers which would never have been published if the peer
    review process had worked as it should have done.

    I look forward to someone doing it and reporting their results.

    There may be a bit of a wait.

    Measuring Plank's constant using the then very new Josephson junction apparatus was a final year practical experiment in my Physics course.
    ISTR it involved a niobium cat's whisker carefully manipulated inside a liquid helium filled dewar inside a normal dewar of LN2. The staircase waveform was rather pretty as the linked magnetic flux changed.

    The US National Bureau of Standard had an integrated circuit made that
    stacked up some 20,000 junctions Josephson junctions to produce a
    precisely 10V step when irradiated with a 75GHz microwave signal of
    precisely the right frequency. It's now the international voltage standard.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephson_voltage_standard
    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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