• Physicist: "Cell-phone addicted zombies."

    From Rich@rander3128@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Wed Nov 29 18:32:03 2023
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    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

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  • From Chris L Peterson@clp@alumni.caltech.edu to sci.astro.amateur on Wed Nov 29 22:23:39 2023
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    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:32:03 -0800 (PST), Rich <rander3128@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    But they're alive... unlike an awful lot of those who practiced those
    old navigation methods, which so often failed.
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  • From StarDust@csoka01@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 00:03:22 2023
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    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 6:32:05rC>PM UTC-8, Rich wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding
    Aeroplane pilots have to Learn the stars and use it for navigation, even though they have a hole array of electronics available for navigation on a modern aeroplane.
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  • From StarDust@csoka01@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 00:26:07 2023
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    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:23:45rC>PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:32:03 -0800 (PST), Rich <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    But they're alive... unlike an awful lot of those who practiced those
    old navigation methods, which so often failed.
    I think, it's good to know old navigation methods, bc electronics, mobil phones can fail.
    Even the military's basic training teach how to use maps, compass etc... to new recruits.
    Even in every day life, it happens, people get hurt or die, bc gets lost in the mountain or forest during hiking.
    I read a story, family was driving in heavy snow, fog, zero visibility, when grandpa had a nature call.
    They pulled over, out in nowhere, grandpa jumped out to do his business, but never returned.
    He had a mobile phone, but he left it in the car.
    He was found dead, frozen 2 days later, after the weather cleared.
    He never found his way back to the car, he was walking in circles till his end. 2-3 years ago, studied navigation on my own, even bought a US military compass. It's very accurate, it lights without battery and no fluid inside, which can freeze.
    Add a good map and one can navigate anywhere in the world, without GPS, just using map coordinates.
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  • From wsnell01@wsnell01@hotmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 03:22:22 2023
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    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 3:26:09rC>AM UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:23:45rC>PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:32:03 -0800 (PST), Rich <rande...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    But they're alive... unlike an awful lot of those who practiced those
    old navigation methods, which so often failed.
    I think, it's good to know old navigation methods, bc electronics, mobil phones can fail.
    Even the military's basic training teach how to use maps, compass etc... to new recruits.
    Even in every day life, it happens, people get hurt or die, bc gets lost in the mountain or forest during hiking.
    I read a story, family was driving in heavy snow, fog, zero visibility, when grandpa had a nature call.
    They pulled over, out in nowhere, grandpa jumped out to do his business, but never returned.
    He had a mobile phone, but he left it in the car.
    He was found dead, frozen 2 days later, after the weather cleared.
    He never found his way back to the car, he was walking in circles till his end.
    2-3 years ago, studied navigation on my own, even bought a US military compass.
    It's very accurate, it lights without battery and no fluid inside, which can freeze.
    Add a good map and one can navigate anywhere in the world, without GPS, just using map coordinates.
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  • From StarDust@csoka01@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 03:49:28 2023
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    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 3:22:24rC>AM UTC-8, W wrote:
    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 3:26:09rC>AM UTC-5, StarDust wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 9:23:45rC>PM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 18:32:03 -0800 (PST), Rich <rande...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    But they're alive... unlike an awful lot of those who practiced those old navigation methods, which so often failed.
    I think, it's good to know old navigation methods, bc electronics, mobil phones can fail.
    Even the military's basic training teach how to use maps, compass etc... to new recruits.
    Even in every day life, it happens, people get hurt or die, bc gets lost in the mountain or forest during hiking.
    I read a story, family was driving in heavy snow, fog, zero visibility, when grandpa had a nature call.
    They pulled over, out in nowhere, grandpa jumped out to do his business, but never returned.
    He had a mobile phone, but he left it in the car.
    He was found dead, frozen 2 days later, after the weather cleared.
    He never found his way back to the car, he was walking in circles till his end.
    2-3 years ago, studied navigation on my own, even bought a US military compass.
    It's very accurate, it lights without battery and no fluid inside, which can freeze.
    Add a good map and one can navigate anywhere in the world, without GPS, just using map coordinates.
    All they family needed to do was to blow the carrCOs horn every few moments.
    They probably did, but in the storm the old guy confused, went to wrong direction?
    Some people have very poor sense of orientation, navigation, I guess?
    In snow storms, high wind, even experienced hikers get lost and die.
    The latest victim is the famous actor, Julian Sands who died on Mt. Baldy! https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-news/julian-sands-found-dead-after-missing-during-hike-1234779450/
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  • From Chris L Peterson@clp@alumni.caltech.edu to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 07:56:16 2023
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    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:03:22 -0800 (PST), StarDust <csoka01@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 6:32:05?PM UTC-8, Rich wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    Aeroplane pilots have to Learn the stars and use it for navigation, even though they have a hole array of electronics available for navigation on a modern aeroplane.

    Nothing wrong with that. I hike and ride in the deep wilderness, and
    there is no better navigation tool than GPS for that, on many fronts.
    Which doesn't mean I don't have a good sense of where I am from other
    factors, as well. It doesn't mean I don't have a map and compass. It
    doesn't mean I can't use the stars and the position of the Sun and
    landscape features.

    People who want to navigate the open ocean using old methods are fools
    if they don't have a GPS receiver onboard as backup... just as those
    who place all their trust in a GPS receiver at the expense of common
    sense are fools.
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  • From StarDust@csoka01@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Nov 30 07:37:05 2023
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    On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 6:56:23rC>AM UTC-8, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2023 00:03:22 -0800 (PST), StarDust
    wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 6:32:05?PM UTC-8, Rich wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding

    Aeroplane pilots have to Learn the stars and use it for navigation, even though they have a hole array of electronics available for navigation on a modern aeroplane.
    Nothing wrong with that. I hike and ride in the deep wilderness, and
    there is no better navigation tool than GPS for that, on many fronts.
    Which doesn't mean I don't have a good sense of where I am from other factors, as well. It doesn't mean I don't have a map and compass. It
    doesn't mean I can't use the stars and the position of the Sun and
    landscape features.

    People who want to navigate the open ocean using old methods are fools
    if they don't have a GPS receiver onboard as backup... just as those
    who place all their trust in a GPS receiver at the expense of common
    sense are fools.
    Far as I know, every boat has sextant for emergency navigation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sextant.jpg
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  • From Quadibloc@jsavard@ecn.ab.ca to sci.astro.amateur on Sun Dec 3 14:38:06 2023
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    On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 7:32:05rC>PM UTC-7, Rich wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20231128-what-we-can-learn-from-the-ancient-art-of-wayfinding
    I thought it was cute that one person was quoted, early in the
    article, that one of his favorite cues was the North Star.
    That, of course, is something that even ignorant
    Westerners used, not just the master navigators of
    the South Pacific. But, hey, even if you can use the
    more difficult tools, the easiest and simplest ones
    are not to be neglected.
    John Savard
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