• Celestron to Compete With Vaonis Stellina?

    From Quadibloc@jsavard@ecn.ab.ca to sci.astro.amateur on Mon Jan 8 22:37:37 2024
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    I believe it was the Vaonis Stellina that was very controversial, as
    a telescope of modest aperture, but highly computerized, and with
    a high price tag, designed to take astrophotographs almost by
    itself.

    In looking for it, I also found the ZWO Seestar, an apparently similar
    product in a much more modest price range - around $500.

    The product Celestron has announced today (January 8), only
    available for pre-order, is in the $5000 price range, and it only
    has a 6-inch aperture.

    But it definitely still has some quality features that make it stand
    out.

    The 6" optical portion is a Rowe-Ackermann Schmidt Astrograph.

    And the computer technology includes AI-assisted automatic
    stacking of multiple images.

    The product is the Celestron Origin Intelligent Home Observatory:

    https://www.celestron.com/products/celestron-origin-intelligent-home-observatory

    Now, if I could get it with their 11" RASA instead of a 6" one, then I
    would actually want one, although I couldn't afford it.

    John Savard
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  • From Chris L Peterson@clp@alumni.caltech.edu to sci.astro.amateur on Tue Jan 9 07:38:49 2024
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    On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 22:37:37 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
    wrote:

    I believe it was the Vaonis Stellina that was very controversial, as
    a telescope of modest aperture, but highly computerized, and with
    a high price tag, designed to take astrophotographs almost by
    itself.

    In looking for it, I also found the ZWO Seestar, an apparently similar >product in a much more modest price range - around $500.

    The product Celestron has announced today (January 8), only
    available for pre-order, is in the $5000 price range, and it only
    has a 6-inch aperture.

    But it definitely still has some quality features that make it stand
    out.

    The 6" optical portion is a Rowe-Ackermann Schmidt Astrograph.

    And the computer technology includes AI-assisted automatic
    stacking of multiple images.

    The product is the Celestron Origin Intelligent Home Observatory:

    https://www.celestron.com/products/celestron-origin-intelligent-home-observatory

    Now, if I could get it with their 11" RASA instead of a 6" one, then I
    would actually want one, although I couldn't afford it.

    John Savard

    I'm skeptical much of a market exists. Products like the Seestar are
    popular because they produce very nice results at a very modest price.
    They're great for imaging on the road, for public presentations, for
    those with a casual interest in astronomical imaging. You get up into
    the thousands of dollars range, however, and you're looking at much
    more serious imagers. And I think most of them are likely to prefer
    putting together their own kit, suited to their specific interests.
    For $5000 you can get a really nice imaging setup... and one that you
    can change around if your interests change.
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  • From Rich@rander3128@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Tue Jan 9 15:32:07 2024
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    On Tuesday 9 January 2024 at 01:37:40 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    I believe it was the Vaonis Stellina that was very controversial, as
    a telescope of modest aperture, but highly computerized, and with
    a high price tag, designed to take astrophotographs almost by
    itself.

    In looking for it, I also found the ZWO Seestar, an apparently similar product in a much more modest price range - around $500.

    The product Celestron has announced today (January 8), only
    available for pre-order, is in the $5000 price range, and it only
    has a 6-inch aperture.

    But it definitely still has some quality features that make it stand
    out.

    The 6" optical portion is a Rowe-Ackermann Schmidt Astrograph.

    And the computer technology includes AI-assisted automatic
    stacking of multiple images.

    The product is the Celestron Origin Intelligent Home Observatory:

    https://www.celestron.com/products/celestron-origin-intelligent-home-observatory

    Now, if I could get it with their 11" RASA instead of a 6" one, then I
    would actually want one, although I couldn't afford it.

    John Savard
    Sorry, posted that other thread without having seen this one. I don't think the cost is out of the realm for this scope. I'd never own one, and you can put together a better photo package if you buy carefully, but $4000 doesn't buy much, for a photo rig today. I think the telescope companies are rationalizing they can't keep trying milk the traditional (and aging) astronomers with conventional gear and they are trying to capture a younger group.
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  • From Quadibloc@jsavard@ecn.ab.ca to sci.astro.amateur on Wed Jan 10 12:22:40 2024
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    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:38:57rC>AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    I'm skeptical much of a market exists.
    It's hard for me to imagine the target market for this kind
    of telescope, because I personally don't happen to have
    that kind of money.
    But given a lot of other products for the rich being out
    there, and given that Vaonis has stayed in business,
    that there might actually be a market, of which Celestron
    wants to grab a piece with their own more deserving
    product... does not seem to be beyond possibility.
    However, the Vaonis Stellina, while it doesn't have
    the level of quality optics that the Celestron offering
    has, does have _one_ advantage over it: it at least
    looks like it's more likely to survive being left
    outside in the rain and snow, which may be part
    of its use case.
    John Savard
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  • From Rich@rander3128@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Wed Jan 10 13:48:58 2024
    From Newsgroup: sci.astro.amateur

    On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 15:22:43 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:38:57rC>AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    I'm skeptical much of a market exists.
    It's hard for me to imagine the target market for this kind
    of telescope, because I personally don't happen to have
    that kind of money.

    But given a lot of other products for the rich being out
    there, and given that Vaonis has stayed in business,
    that there might actually be a market, of which Celestron
    wants to grab a piece with their own more deserving
    product... does not seem to be beyond possibility.

    However, the Vaonis Stellina, while it doesn't have
    the level of quality optics that the Celestron offering
    has, does have _one_ advantage over it: it at least
    looks like it's more likely to survive being left
    outside in the rain and snow, which may be part
    of its use case.

    John Savard
    Check out the latest scope ad like this from the other company. Scope, sitting near an infinity pool in a multi-million house. It's 1985 again, yuppies are the targets so lets break out the white wine and floodlights and do some astronomy...
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  • From wsnell01@wsnell01@hotmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Jan 11 04:05:56 2024
    From Newsgroup: sci.astro.amateur

    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:49:01rC>PM UTC-5, Rich wrote:
    On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 15:22:43 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:38:57rC>AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    I'm skeptical much of a market exists.
    It's hard for me to imagine the target market for this kind
    of telescope, because I personally don't happen to have
    that kind of money.

    But given a lot of other products for the rich being out
    there, and given that Vaonis has stayed in business,
    that there might actually be a market, of which Celestron
    wants to grab a piece with their own more deserving
    product... does not seem to be beyond possibility.

    However, the Vaonis Stellina, while it doesn't have
    the level of quality optics that the Celestron offering
    has, does have _one_ advantage over it: it at least
    looks like it's more likely to survive being left
    outside in the rain and snow, which may be part
    of its use case.

    John Savard
    Check out the latest scope ad like this from the other company. Scope, sitting near an infinity pool in a multi-million house. It's 1985 again, yuppies are the targets so lets break out the white wine and floodlights and do some astronomy...
    It would be easier to find images on the Internet
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  • From Rich@rander3128@gmail.com to sci.astro.amateur on Thu Jan 11 13:25:07 2024
    From Newsgroup: sci.astro.amateur

    On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 07:05:59 UTC-5, W wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:49:01rC>PM UTC-5, Rich wrote:
    On Wednesday 10 January 2024 at 15:22:43 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:38:57rC>AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    I'm skeptical much of a market exists.
    It's hard for me to imagine the target market for this kind
    of telescope, because I personally don't happen to have
    that kind of money.

    But given a lot of other products for the rich being out
    there, and given that Vaonis has stayed in business,
    that there might actually be a market, of which Celestron
    wants to grab a piece with their own more deserving
    product... does not seem to be beyond possibility.

    However, the Vaonis Stellina, while it doesn't have
    the level of quality optics that the Celestron offering
    has, does have _one_ advantage over it: it at least
    looks like it's more likely to survive being left
    outside in the rain and snow, which may be part
    of its use case.

    John Savard
    Check out the latest scope ad like this from the other company. Scope, sitting near an infinity pool in a multi-million house. It's 1985 again, yuppies are the targets so lets break out the white wine and floodlights and do some astronomy...
    It would be easier to find images on the Internet
    Friend of mine has the same attitude, he's a die-hard visual observer (so am I, 90%) who owns a slew of scopes (5 AP refractors, a C8. C11, C14, Meade 10 inch SCT, Questar 3.5 (formerly had 7's), a TeleVue Oracle, 150mm Fuji ED binoculars, dozens of Zeiss, Leitz binos, etc, etc). But we see which way the wind is blowing and it is for imagers.
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  • From Andreas Kempe@kempe@lysator.liu.se to sci.astro.amateur on Sat Jan 13 00:24:35 2024
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    Den 2024-01-11 skrev Rich <rander3128@gmail.com>:

    Friend of mine has the same attitude, he's a die-hard visual
    observer (so am I, 90%) who owns a slew of scopes (5 AP refractors,
    a C8. C11, C14, Meade 10 inch SCT, Questar 3.5 (formerly had 7's), a
    TeleVue Oracle, 150mm Fuji ED binoculars, dozens of Zeiss, Leitz
    binos, etc, etc). But we see which way the wind is blowing and it
    is for imagers.


    I spent years only doing visual observation and I still enjoy it, but
    resolving what looks like a diffuse blob to my eyes into something
    with a colour palette and details has a magic feeling to it.

    Funnily enough, I don't enjoy the actual photographing nearly as much
    as doing visual observations since it means I'm just standing around, monitoring my automatics.
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