• Yunxian cranium

    From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.anthropology.paleo on Fri Sep 26 08:38:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.anthropology.paleo

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ado9202

    The phylogenetic position of the Yunxian cranium elucidates the origin
    of Homo longi and the Denisovans

    EditorrCOs summary
    It is now well known that there were at one time many Homo lineages. Understanding of the differences among these lineages is largely
    dependent upon crania that are rare and often damaged and deformed by
    age. Feng et al. reconstructed the 1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 cranium
    using an approach that allowed for removal of much of the compression
    and distortion naturally present in the fossil. In doing so, they found
    that the cranium contained both primitive and derived traits and
    concluded that it is representative of the H. longi clade, which is
    sister to H. sapiens and likely contained the Denisovans. rCoSacha Vignieri

    Abstract
    Diverse forms of Homo coexisted during the Middle Pleistocene. Whether
    these fossil humans represent different species or clades is debated.
    The ~1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 fossil from China is important for understanding the cladogenesis of Homo and the origin of Homo sapiens.
    In this study, we restored and reconstructed the distorted Yunxian 2
    cranium using recently introduced technology. The results show that this cranium displays mosaic primitive and derived features. Morphometric and phylogenetic analyses suggest that it is an early member of the Asian H.
    longi clade, which includes the Denisovans and is the main part of the
    sister group to the H. sapiens clade. Both the H. sapiens and H. longi
    clades have deep roots extending beyond the Middle Pleistocene and
    probably experienced rapid early diversification. Yunxian 2 may preserve transitional features close to the origins of the two clades.
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  • From Primum Sapienti@invalide@invalid.invalid to sci.anthropology.paleo on Fri Sep 26 22:29:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.anthropology.paleo

    erik simpson wrote:
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ado9202

    The phylogenetic position of the Yunxian cranium elucidates the origin
    of Homo longi and the Denisovans

    EditorrCOs summary
    It is now well known that there were at one time many Homo lineages. Understanding of the differences among these lineages is largely
    dependent upon crania that are rare and often damaged and deformed by
    age. Feng et al. reconstructed the 1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 cranium using an approach that allowed for removal of much of the compression
    and distortion naturally present in the fossil. In doing so, they found
    that the cranium contained both primitive and derived traits and
    concluded that it is representative of the H. longi clade, which is
    sister to H. sapiens and likely contained the Denisovans. rCoSacha Vignieri

    Abstract
    Diverse forms of Homo coexisted during the Middle Pleistocene. Whether
    these fossil humans represent different species or clades is debated.
    The ~1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 fossil from China is important for understanding the cladogenesis of Homo and the origin of Homo sapiens.
    In this study, we restored and reconstructed the distorted Yunxian 2
    cranium using recently introduced technology. The results show that this cranium displays mosaic primitive and derived features. Morphometric and phylogenetic analyses suggest that it is an early member of the Asian H. longi clade, which includes the Denisovans and is the main part of the sister group to the H. sapiens clade. Both the H. sapiens and H. longi clades have deep roots extending beyond the Middle Pleistocene and
    probably experienced rapid early diversification. Yunxian 2 may preserve transitional features close to the origins of the two clades.

    Thanks!

    Other popular press articles:

    <https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2l4aEt6TkR4R0FoTFVJYTVEbVp5Z0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

    Of real interest is John Hawks' blog

    https://www.johnhawks.net/p/the-problem-skulls-from-yunxian
    The problem skulls from Yunxian
    The relationships of fossils from deep time in
    China may help reveal ancestral connections for
    the Denisovans

    ...
    I like whenever Science publishes provocative
    studies like this. They can help the field think
    through some of the most challenging problems.

    Yet thererCOs a reason IrCOm using the words
    provocative and challenging. The headlines IrCOve
    seen about this study today are all just nonsense.
    It doesnrCOt rCLrewrite human evolutionrCY, rCLpoint to
    earlier origin of modern humansrCY, or rCLredraw the
    human family tree.rCY

    What this research should have done is to put the
    anatomical comparisons into context with the
    previous results from DNA, especially the genomes
    that enable us to understand the relationships of
    Denisovan, Neanderthal, and modern human groups.
    This study did not do that.

    IrCOm going to give that a bit of a try. What I think
    is that the new work helps to show the overlap of
    variation of the Denisovan group with Homo erectus
    and other archaic groups of humans in skull size,
    shape, and form. That overlap reflects both
    adaptation and possibly some gene flowrCoand may help
    us to understand the superarchaic signature of DNA
    mixture in ancient people.
    ...





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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@admin@127.0.0.1 to sci.anthropology.paleo on Sat Sep 27 11:33:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.anthropology.paleo

    On Fri, 26 Sep 2025 22:29:31 -0600
    Primum Sapienti <invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    erik simpson wrote:
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ado9202

    The phylogenetic position of the Yunxian cranium elucidates the origin
    of Homo longi and the Denisovans

    EditorrCOs summary
    It is now well known that there were at one time many Homo lineages. Understanding of the differences among these lineages is largely
    dependent upon crania that are rare and often damaged and deformed by
    age. Feng et al. reconstructed the 1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 cranium using an approach that allowed for removal of much of the compression
    and distortion naturally present in the fossil. In doing so, they found that the cranium contained both primitive and derived traits and
    concluded that it is representative of the H. longi clade, which is
    sister to H. sapiens and likely contained the Denisovans. rCoSacha Vignieri

    Abstract
    Diverse forms of Homo coexisted during the Middle Pleistocene. Whether these fossil humans represent different species or clades is debated.
    The ~1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 fossil from China is important for understanding the cladogenesis of Homo and the origin of Homo sapiens.
    In this study, we restored and reconstructed the distorted Yunxian 2 cranium using recently introduced technology. The results show that this cranium displays mosaic primitive and derived features. Morphometric and phylogenetic analyses suggest that it is an early member of the Asian H. longi clade, which includes the Denisovans and is the main part of the sister group to the H. sapiens clade. Both the H. sapiens and H. longi clades have deep roots extending beyond the Middle Pleistocene and probably experienced rapid early diversification. Yunxian 2 may preserve transitional features close to the origins of the two clades.

    Thanks!

    Other popular press articles:

    <https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2l4aEt6TkR4R0FoTFVJYTVEbVp5Z0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

    Of real interest is John Hawks' blog

    https://www.johnhawks.net/p/the-problem-skulls-from-yunxian
    The problem skulls from Yunxian
    The relationships of fossils from deep time in
    China may help reveal ancestral connections for
    the Denisovans

    ...
    I like whenever Science publishes provocative
    studies like this. They can help the field think
    through some of the most challenging problems.

    Yet thererCOs a reason IrCOm using the words
    provocative and challenging. The headlines IrCOve
    seen about this study today are all just nonsense.
    It doesnrCOt rCLrewrite human evolutionrCY, rCLpoint to
    earlier origin of modern humansrCY, or rCLredraw the
    human family tree.rCY

    What this research should have done is to put the
    anatomical comparisons into context with the
    previous results from DNA, especially the genomes
    that enable us to understand the relationships of
    Denisovan, Neanderthal, and modern human groups.
    This study did not do that.

    IrCOm going to give that a bit of a try. What I think
    is that the new work helps to show the overlap of
    variation of the Denisovan group with Homo erectus
    and other archaic groups of humans in skull size,
    shape, and form. That overlap reflects both
    adaptation and possibly some gene flowrCoand may help
    us to understand the superarchaic signature of DNA
    mixture in ancient people.
    ...

    Far too sensible. Not enough (any) spin to sell newspapers/clicks.
    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.
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  • From erik simpson@eastside.erik@gmail.com to sci.anthropology.paleo on Sat Sep 27 15:39:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: sci.anthropology.paleo

    On 9/26/25 9:29 PM, Primum Sapienti wrote:
    erik simpson wrote:
    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ado9202

    The phylogenetic position of the Yunxian cranium elucidates the origin
    of Homo longi and the Denisovans

    EditorrCOs summary
    It is now well known that there were at one time many Homo lineages.
    Understanding of the differences among these lineages is largely
    dependent upon crania that are rare and often damaged and deformed by
    age. Feng et al. reconstructed the 1-million-year-old Yunxian 2
    cranium using an approach that allowed for removal of much of the
    compression and distortion naturally present in the fossil. In doing
    so, they found that the cranium contained both primitive and derived
    traits and concluded that it is representative of the H. longi clade,
    which is sister to H. sapiens and likely contained the Denisovans.
    rCoSacha Vignieri

    Abstract
    Diverse forms of Homo coexisted during the Middle Pleistocene. Whether
    these fossil humans represent different species or clades is debated.
    The ~1-million-year-old Yunxian 2 fossil from China is important for
    understanding the cladogenesis of Homo and the origin of Homo sapiens.
    In this study, we restored and reconstructed the distorted Yunxian 2
    cranium using recently introduced technology. The results show that
    this cranium displays mosaic primitive and derived features.
    Morphometric and phylogenetic analyses suggest that it is an early
    member of the Asian H. longi clade, which includes the Denisovans and
    is the main part of the sister group to the H. sapiens clade. Both the
    H. sapiens and H. longi clades have deep roots extending beyond the
    Middle Pleistocene and probably experienced rapid early
    diversification. Yunxian 2 may preserve transitional features close to
    the origins of the two clades.

    Thanks!

    Other popular press articles:

    <https://news.google.com/stories/CAAqNggKIjBDQklTSGpvSmMzUnZjbmt0TXpZd1NoRUtEd2l4aEt6TkR4R0FoTFVJYTVEbVp5Z0FQAQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen>

    Of real interest is John Hawks' blog

    https://www.johnhawks.net/p/the-problem-skulls-from-yunxian
    The problem skulls from Yunxian
    The relationships of fossils from deep time in
    China may help reveal ancestral connections for
    the Denisovans

    ...
    I like whenever Science publishes provocative
    studies like this. They can help the field think
    through some of the most challenging problems.

    Yet thererCOs a reason IrCOm using the words
    provocative and challenging. The headlines IrCOve
    seen about this study today are all just nonsense.
    It doesnrCOt rCLrewrite human evolutionrCY, rCLpoint to
    earlier origin of modern humansrCY, or rCLredraw the
    human family tree.rCY

    What this research should have done is to put the
    anatomical comparisons into context with the
    previous results from DNA, especially the genomes
    that enable us to understand the relationships of
    Denisovan, Neanderthal, and modern human groups.
    This study did not do that.

    IrCOm going to give that a bit of a try. What I think
    is that the new work helps to show the overlap of
    variation of the Denisovan group with Homo erectus
    and other archaic groups of humans in skull size,
    shape, and form. That overlap reflects both
    adaptation and possibly some gene flowrCoand may help
    us to understand the superarchaic signature of DNA
    mixture in ancient people.
    ...

    The popular press often misses the point entirely, and some of the
    articles are just as you say. This discovery doesn't suggest that humans originated in Asia at all.
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