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A recent DNA study moves the origin of the Fenno-Ugric languages further east than currently assumed. The results of the study, led by American geneticist David Reich, were published in an article in the journal Nature.
The researchers found that the populations that speak the Fenno-Ugric languages today carry a special genetic trait that was found in 4,500- year-old samples from Yakutia. Representatives of other language groups
did not have this trait.
In addition to Finnish, Fenno-Ugric languages include Estonian and Hungarian.
There are varying amounts of Yakutian heritage remaining. Finns have 10 percent of it, Estonians 2 percent, and Hungarians none at all. The
Nganasan people, who live in the northernmost region of Russia, have a
full hundred.
The birthplace of the Finno-Ugric language family has been considered to
be the Ural Mountains in central Russia. Yakutia, on the other hand, is located in northeastern Siberia.
rCo Geographically, it is closer to Alaska or Japan than to Finland, says researcher Alexander Mee-Woong Kim.
Sampsa Holopainen of the University of Helsinki finds the research interesting, but it does not rewrite the history of the Finnish
language. According to Holopainen, it is very difficult to precisely determine where the original home of a language family was, especially
from a linguistic perspective.
rCo In this [article] it is of course a little further east than what has been suggested in recent studies, but I do not think it is a dramatic difference, Holopainen says.
https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/ ar_1.6200607902735562,c_fill,g_faces,h_392,w_636/dpr_1.0/q_auto:eco/ f_auto/fl_lossy/v1753357297/39-149802968821ae64c2ba
The article also mentions the connections of the Finno-Ugric languages
to the Turkic and Mongolian languages. The languages are very similar in structure. It has been speculated that this is due to old contacts,
which would indicate that Central Uralic was spoken in very eastern
parts of Asia.
rCo It is debatable whether it must be due to contact, because languages
can also be structurally similar, as if by chance, Holopainen says.
The Finns' connections to Siberia have been explored before, for example
in a study published eight years ago.
And already in the 19th century, the first professor of the Finnish
language at the University of Helsinki, a pioneer in linguistics,
Matthias Alexander Castr|-n, searched for the roots of the Fenno-Ugric languages and their origins in the East. Castr|-n concluded at the time
that the language had its origins in the Altai Mountains, in Central
Asia. [The Altai mountains are north-west from Yakutia. Much closer to Yakutia than to Ural]
https://yle.fi/a/74-20174009
Inneresting. Like I think I've previously reported, about 60% of Finns
share a N1 chromosomal haplotype (a bunch of genes carried over as a
unit, this time on the paternal side) with the Mongols. Rare elsewhere
in Europe. There are also linguistic similarities with far-eastern languages. The Finnish language is almost orthogonal to European
languages in structure.
In Finland, this is still a touchy subject after all these hunnreds of years. As the sourpussery between the lines of what the UH researcher
says indicates.
On 28.7.2025 22.56, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
A recent DNA study moves the origin of the Fenno-Ugric languages
further east than currently assumed. The results of the study, led by
American geneticist David Reich, were published in an article in the
journal Nature.
The researchers found that the populations that speak the Fenno-Ugric
languages today carry a special genetic trait that was found in 4,500-
year-old samples from Yakutia. Representatives of other language
groups did not have this trait.
In addition to Finnish, Fenno-Ugric languages include Estonian and
Hungarian.
There are varying amounts of Yakutian heritage remaining. Finns have
10 percent of it, Estonians 2 percent, and Hungarians none at all. The
Nganasan people, who live in the northernmost region of Russia, have a
full hundred.
The birthplace of the Finno-Ugric language family has been considered
to be the Ural Mountains in central Russia. Yakutia, on the other
hand, is located in northeastern Siberia.
rCo Geographically, it is closer to Alaska or Japan than to Finland,
says researcher Alexander Mee-Woong Kim.
Sampsa Holopainen of the University of Helsinki finds the research
interesting, but it does not rewrite the history of the Finnish
language. According to Holopainen, it is very difficult to precisely
determine where the original home of a language family was, especially
from a linguistic perspective.
rCo In this [article] it is of course a little further east than what
has been suggested in recent studies, but I do not think it is a
dramatic difference, Holopainen says.
https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/
ar_1.6200607902735562,c_fill,g_faces,h_392,w_636/dpr_1.0/q_auto:eco/
f_auto/fl_lossy/v1753357297/39-149802968821ae64c2ba
The article also mentions the connections of the Finno-Ugric languages
to the Turkic and Mongolian languages. The languages are very similar
in structure. It has been speculated that this is due to old contacts,
which would indicate that Central Uralic was spoken in very eastern
parts of Asia.
rCo It is debatable whether it must be due to contact, because languages
can also be structurally similar, as if by chance, Holopainen says.
The Finns' connections to Siberia have been explored before, for
example in a study published eight years ago.
And already in the 19th century, the first professor of the Finnish
language at the University of Helsinki, a pioneer in linguistics,
Matthias Alexander Castr|-n, searched for the roots of the Fenno-Ugric
languages and their origins in the East. Castr|-n concluded at the time
that the language had its origins in the Altai Mountains, in Central
Asia. [The Altai mountains are north-west from Yakutia. Much closer to
Yakutia than to Ural]
https://yle.fi/a/74-20174009
Inneresting. Like I think I've previously reported, about 60% of Finns
share a N1 chromosomal haplotype (a bunch of genes carried over as a
unit, this time on the paternal side) with the Mongols. Rare elsewhere
in Europe. There are also linguistic similarities with far-eastern
languages. The Finnish language is almost orthogonal to European
languages in structure.
In Finland, this is still a touchy subject after all these hunnreds of
years. As the sourpussery between the lines of what the UH researcher
says indicates.
Bump.
On 16.9.2025 13.20, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
On 28.7.2025 22.56, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:
A recent DNA study moves the origin of the Fenno-Ugric languages
further east than currently assumed. The results of the study, led by
American geneticist David Reich, were published in an article in the
journal Nature.
The researchers found that the populations that speak the Fenno-Ugric
languages today carry a special genetic trait that was found in
4,500- year-old samples from Yakutia. Representatives of other
language groups did not have this trait.
In addition to Finnish, Fenno-Ugric languages include Estonian and
Hungarian.
There are varying amounts of Yakutian heritage remaining. Finns have
10 percent of it, Estonians 2 percent, and Hungarians none at all.
The Nganasan people, who live in the northernmost region of Russia,
have a full hundred.
The birthplace of the Finno-Ugric language family has been considered
to be the Ural Mountains in central Russia. Yakutia, on the other
hand, is located in northeastern Siberia.
rCo Geographically, it is closer to Alaska or Japan than to Finland,
says researcher Alexander Mee-Woong Kim.
Sampsa Holopainen of the University of Helsinki finds the research
interesting, but it does not rewrite the history of the Finnish
language. According to Holopainen, it is very difficult to precisely
determine where the original home of a language family was,
especially from a linguistic perspective.
rCo In this [article] it is of course a little further east than what
has been suggested in recent studies, but I do not think it is a
dramatic difference, Holopainen says.
https://images.cdn.yle.fi/image/upload/
ar_1.6200607902735562,c_fill,g_faces,h_392,w_636/dpr_1.0/q_auto:eco/
f_auto/fl_lossy/v1753357297/39-149802968821ae64c2ba
The article also mentions the connections of the Finno-Ugric
languages to the Turkic and Mongolian languages. The languages are
very similar in structure. It has been speculated that this is due to
old contacts, which would indicate that Central Uralic was spoken in
very eastern parts of Asia.
rCo It is debatable whether it must be due to contact, because
languages can also be structurally similar, as if by chance,
Holopainen says.
The Finns' connections to Siberia have been explored before, for
example in a study published eight years ago.
And already in the 19th century, the first professor of the Finnish
language at the University of Helsinki, a pioneer in linguistics,
Matthias Alexander Castr|-n, searched for the roots of the Fenno-Ugric
languages and their origins in the East. Castr|-n concluded at the
time that the language had its origins in the Altai Mountains, in
Central Asia. [The Altai mountains are north-west from Yakutia. Much
closer to Yakutia than to Ural]
https://yle.fi/a/74-20174009
Inneresting. Like I think I've previously reported, about 60% of
Finns share a N1 chromosomal haplotype (a bunch of genes carried over
as a unit, this time on the paternal side) with the Mongols. Rare
elsewhere in Europe. There are also linguistic similarities with far-
eastern languages. The Finnish language is almost orthogonal to
European languages in structure.
In Finland, this is still a touchy subject after all these hunnreds
of years. As the sourpussery between the lines of what the UH
researcher says indicates.
Bump.
I forgot. In the first half or so of the 20th C, US had immigration laws that restricted immigration of people with Asian origins. That included Finns.
"Finns were considered "undesirable" due to their Uralic language and non-Indo-European origins, which challenged prevailing theories of
European whiteness", says the Google AI bot.
Indeed.
All this (and more) has left a permanent scar in the Finnish psyche. A
scar that can only be healed by becoming more of the same yourself. You know, a child abused becomes a child abuser.
One somewhat amusing anecdote is ... Sawfish once called black people
"Those Ones". He asked me whether I had ever "talked to those ones". You figger the meaning of that.
Anyways, Swedes "occupied" Finland for hunnreds of years. Up until 1809, when the Russians said "You're PWND". Some Swedes referred to the Finns
as what translates into "Those Ones". Finland itself was "That Place". Having been assigned for duty in That Place meant it was time to retire.
No minuets in That Place.
There still are no minuets in That Place.