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It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the local
sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.

It is an odd situation I want to test here. Not about this particular
crime, but about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a
member in good standing of your immediate or extended family.

This is not some kind of morality test, but more an examination of the
limits of human social relationships.

Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry
about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...

The general tendency would be to strictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this case, Robinson's dad was
not directly involved.

There are family members who I'd actively help, but this probably
extends only to my wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just
not seek to cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones
whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.

What say you, fellow-sufferers?
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"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to turn h=

imself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the local sheriff'=
s office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd situation I want to=
test here. Not about this particular crime, but about to what degree you'd=
help law enforcement against a member in good standing of your immediate o=
r extended family.This is not some kind of morality test, but more an exami= nation of the limits of human social relationships.Now, all of us here on R=
ST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings=
hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to str= ictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless,=
or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this cas=
e, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family members who I'=
d actively help, but this probably extends only to my wife and daughter. Ot= hers, in good standing, I'd just not seek to cooperate. I cannot think of a=
ny I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to with=
in an inch of their lives.What say you, fellow-sufferers?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod b=
ay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



In theory.

I understand why he could do comitt this act.=20
He was lost.
He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. So it = means the entire upbringing was rotten.


Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he had a w=
ay out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't matter if fathe=
r did this.





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On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What say you, fellow-sufferers?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In theory.

I understand why he could do comitt this act.
He was lost.
He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.

If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood
ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but
in a cultural sense.

I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values
and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the
list of values exist.

Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't matter if father did this.

I think that the son, among other ill-considered actions, involved his
family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked
up, too.






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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wro=

te in message:r>> It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advis=
ed him to turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to th=
e local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd sit= uation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but about to w= hat degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in good standing of = your immediate or extended family.This is not some kind of morality test, b=
ut more an examination of the limits of human social relationships.Now, all=
of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry about gettin=
g their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...The general tendency=
would be to strictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor sup= port it--unless, or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E= .g., in this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are famil=
y members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my wife = and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to cooperate. I c= annot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd like to personally h= orsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What say you, fellow-sufferers?--=
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > > In theory.> > I understand why he co= uld do comitt this act.> He was lost.> He has a lousy family, cold. Father = that does this is no father imo. So it means the entire upbringing was rott= en.If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood=
ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but in =
a cultural sense.I believing in societal values especially if they are long= -standing and unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between soci= etal values and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority=
does the list of values exist.> > > Otoh it's a very clear situation in an= other sense. It's not like he had a way out, it was just matter of time so =
in the end it doesn't matter if father did this.I think that the son, among=
other ill-considered actions, involved his family by not properly attempti=
ng to conceal his actions. That's fucked up, too.>



He got the money too right?

And he can make another son now?



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Sawfish kirjoitti 15.9.2025 klo 23.23:

On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to
turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the
local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd
situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but
about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in
good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some
kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human
social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and
retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll
take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly
distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless,
or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in
this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family
members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my
wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to
cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd
like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What
say you, fellow-sufferers?--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In theory.

I understand why he could do comitt this act.
He was lost.
He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo.
So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.

If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but
in a cultural sense.

I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values
and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the list of values exist.

Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he
had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't
matter if father did this.

I think that the son, among other ill-considered actions, involved his family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked
up, too.

Yes, father was probably also worried that rest of the family would be
in legal jeopardy. And as Skriptis I think already noted that the boy
would have been caught anyway.

But no, I would probably not take own blood to police. Difficult spot
for sure... Father did probably the right thing, talked son to give
himself up, that's what law-abiding citizens do.

Of course at some point "blood" doesn't matter and shouldn't matter...
would you not give up Manson to police. Or let's be modern, a NAZI to police... :)

Pelle would inform his own mother to police for wrong political
opinions/hate speech.
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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Sawfish kirjoitti 15.9.2025 klo 23.23:> On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wr=

ote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> It turns out th=
at Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to >>> turn himself in, an=
d gradually convinced him. He was driven to the >>> local sheriff's office =
by his father and a family friend.It is an odd >>> situation I want to test=
here. Not about this particular crime, but >>> about to what degree you'd = help law enforcement against a member in >>> good standing of your immediat=
e or extended family.This is not some >>> kind of morality test, but more a=
n examination of the limits of human >>> social relationships.Now, all of u=
s here on RST are sorta shy and >>> retiring, and might worry about getting=
their feelings hurt, so I'll >>> take the plunge first...The general tende= ncy would be to strictly >>> distance myself from the act--neither condemn = nor support it--unless, >>> or course, I was directly involved in some aspe=
ct of it. E.g., in >>> this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.= There are family >>> members who I'd actively help, but this probably exten=
ds only to my >>> wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not=
seek to >>> cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones wh=
om I'd >>> like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.Wh=
at >>> say you, fellow-sufferers?-- >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>= >>> In theory.>>>> I understand why he could do comitt this act.>> He was l= ost.>> He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo.=

So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.> > If your father does th= is, it means he values society's values over blood > ties. This is incompre= hensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but > in a cultural sense.> > =

I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and > u= nchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values > a=
nd family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the > l= ist of values exist.> >>>>>> Otoh it's a very clear situation in another se= nse. It's not like he >> had a way out, it was just matter of time so in th=
e end it doesn't >> matter if father did this.> > I think that the son, amo=
ng other ill-considered actions, involved his > family by not properly atte= mpting to conceal his actions. That's fucked > up, too.> Yes, father was pr= obably also worried that rest of the family would be in legal jeopardy. And=
as Skriptis I think already noted that the boy would have been caught anyw= ay.But no, I would probably not take own blood to police. Difficult spot fo=
r sure... Father did probably the right thing, talked son to give himself u=
p, that's what law-abiding citizens do.Of course at some point "blood" does= n't matter and shouldn't matter... would you not give up Manson to police. =
Or let's be modern, a NAZI to police... :)Pelle would inform his own mother=
to police for wrong political opinions/hate speech.





At least his son killed a man, your mother didn't do anything wrong and you=
disposed of her?

Nursing home is probably worse than police.

At least in prison=20


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dgj0Rz-uP4Mk





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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him
to
turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to
the
local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.

It is an odd situation I want to test here. Not about this
particular
crime, but about to what degree you'd help law enforcement
against a
member in good standing of your immediate or extended family.

This is not some kind of morality test, but more an examination
of the
limits of human social relationships.

Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might
worry
about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge
first...

The general tendency would be to strictly distance myself from
the
act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, or course, I was
directly
involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this case, Robinson's
dad was
not directly involved.

There are family members who I'd actively help, but this
probably
extends only to my wife and daughter. Others, in good standing,
I'd
just not seek to cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in,
even
the ones whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to within an inch
of
their lives.

What say you, fellow-sufferers?

It would also be interesting to compare/contrast to how the
parents reacted to the killer (their son) in the Gabby Petito
case, if I had the time.
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*skriptis kirjoitti 16.9.2025 klo 0.41:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Sawfish kirjoitti 15.9.2025 klo 23.23:> On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to >>> turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the >>> local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd >>> situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but >>> about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in >>> good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some >>> kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human >>> social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and >>> retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll >>> take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly >>> distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, >>> or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in >>> this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family >>> members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my >>> wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to >>> cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd >>> like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What >>> say you, fellow-sufferers?-- >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>> In theory.>>>> I understand why he could do comitt this act.>> He was lost.>> He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. >> So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.> > If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood > ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but > in a cultural sense.> > I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and > unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values > and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the > list of values exist.> >>>>>> Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he >> had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't >> matter if father did this.> > I think that the son, among other ill-considered actions, involved his > family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked > up, too.> Yes, father was probably also worried that rest of the family would be in legal jeopardy. And as Skriptis I think already noted that the boy would have been caught anyway.But no, I would probably not take own blood to police. Difficult spot for sure... Father did probably the right thing, talked son to give himself up, that's what law-abiding citizens do.Of course at some point "blood" doesn't matter and shouldn't matter... would you not give up Manson to police. Or let's be modern, a NAZI to police... :)Pelle would inform his own mother to police for wrong political opinions/hate speech.

At least his son killed a man, your mother didn't do anything wrong and you disposed of her?

Nursing home is probably worse than police.

Well, taking personally care of parents is much easier for someone like
you who lives in their basement anyway.
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