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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/117238

btw, how's your vax-induced donkey tail?
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covi

Side effects including heart issues and sudden death didn't
include donkey tails.
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:>
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covi

Side effects including heart issues and sudden death didn't
include donkey tails.

Snce you like AI chatbots.

Question: have there been long term negative health effects from
the covid mrna vaccine?

Answer:

No major, widespread, and confirmed long-term negative health
effects from the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been found, according
to extensive, global monitoring and scientific research. Vaccine
development experts state that most vaccine side effects emerge
within weeks or months, and the few rare, serious side effects
identified have been short-term, resolving within weeks.

Rare and temporary long-term effects
Ongoing research and surveillance have identified some rare,
serious, but generally temporary side effects.

- Myocarditis and pericarditis: A rare risk of heart
inflammation, particularly in adolescent and young adult
males, has been linked to mRNA vaccines.
- Clinical course: For most, the conditions resolved
quickly with medication and rest.
- Follow-up data: A 2024 FDA-funded study on patients who
developed myocarditis found that some had persistent
cardiac MRI abnormalities at a 5-month follow-up. The
clinical significance of these findings remains unknown.
- Post-vaccination syndrome (PVS): A small number of people
have reported long-term symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, and
exercise intolerance following vaccination.
- Emerging research: Yale researchers have identified
potential immunological patterns in people with PVS,
including elevated inflammatory markers and sometimes
persistent spike protein.
- Underlying cause: This research is in its early stages
and does not yet fully explain why some people develop
this condition.

- Autoimmune connective tissue diseases: A long-term Korean
study with over 8 million participants found no increased risk
for most autoimmune diseases following mRNA vaccination.
- Minor findings: The study did observe a small increased
risk for systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) after initial
vaccination and for certain other conditions like
psoriasis following a booster, but further research is
needed.

Scientific understanding of vaccine safety
The current understanding of how mRNA vaccines work supports the
rarity of long-term side effects.

- Rapid degradation: The mRNA in the vaccine is quickly broken
down by the body after delivering its genetic instructions. It
does not stay in the body or alter a person's DNA.
- Decades of vaccine science: Decades of research show that
any serious side effects from a vaccine, if they occur at all,
typically appear within a few weeks or months, not years
later.
- Massive surveillance: With billions of COVID-19 vaccine
doses administered worldwide, surveillance data has provided
more safety information than available for any previous
vaccine. This broad monitoring has failed to uncover any
major, widespread long-term issues.

Comparison to COVID-19 illness
Scientific evidence consistently shows that the health risks from
a COVID-19 infection are far greater than those posed by
vaccination.

- Long COVID: The virus itself can lead to long-term health
problems (often called "Long COVID"), affecting multiple organ
systems and potentially causing lasting complications.
- Lower cardiovascular risk: Studies indicate that COVID-19
vaccination lowers the long-term risk for cardiovascular
complications, such as blood clots, compared to getting sick
with the virus
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.c=

Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> >> =

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covi>> Side effects includin=
g heart issues and sudden death didn't> include donkey tails. Snce you lik=
e AI chatbots.Question: have there been long term negative health effects f= rom the covid mrna vaccine?Answer:No major, widespread, and confirmed long-= term negative health effects from the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been foun=
d, according to extensive, global monitoring and scientific research. Vacci=
ne development experts state that most vaccine side effects emerge within w= eeks or months, and the few rare, serious side effects identified have been=
short-term, resolving within weeks. Rare and temporary long-term effectsOn= going research and surveillance have identified some rare, serious, but gen= erally temporary side effects. - Myocarditis and pericarditis: A rare r= isk of heart inflammation, particularly in adolescent and young adult =
males, has been linked to mRNA vaccines. - Clinical course: For m= ost, the conditions resolved quickly with medication and rest. =
- Follow-up data: A 2024 FDA-funded study on patients who develo= ped myocarditis found that some had persistent cardiac MRI abnormal= ities at a 5-month follow-up. The clinical significance of these fi= ndings remains unknown. - Post-vaccination syndrome (PVS): A small numbe=
r of people have reported long-term symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, a=
nd exercise intolerance following vaccination. - Emerging resear= ch: Yale researchers have identified potential immunological patter=
ns in people with PVS, including elevated inflammatory markers and = sometimes persistent spike protein. - Underlying cause: This=
research is in its early stages and does not yet fully explain why=
some people develop this condition. - Autoimmune connective tis= sue diseases: A long-term Korean study with over 8 million participants=
found no increased risk for most autoimmune diseases following mRNA va= ccination. - Minor findings: The study did observe a small increased=
risk for systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE) after initial = vaccination and for certain other conditions like psoriasis followi=
ng a booster, but further research is needed. Scientific understand= ing of vaccine safetyThe current understanding of how mRNA vaccines work su= pports the rarity of long-term side effects. - Rapid degradation: The m= RNA in the vaccine is quickly broken down by the body after delivering = its genetic instructions. It does not stay in the body or alter a perso= n's DNA. - Decades of vaccine science: Decades of research show that =
any serious side effects from a vaccine, if they occur at all, typical=
ly appear within a few weeks or months, not years later. - Massive s= urveillance: With billions of COVID-19 vaccine doses administered world= wide, surveillance data has provided more safety information than avail= able for any previous vaccine. This broad monitoring has failed to unco= ver any major, widespread long-term issues. Comparison to COVID-19 illn= essScientific evidence consistently shows that the health risks from a COVI= D-19 infection are far greater than those posed by vaccination. - Long = COVID: The virus itself can lead to long-term health problems (often ca= lled "Long COVID"), affecting multiple organ systems and potentially ca= using lasting complications. - Lower cardiovascular risk: Studies indica=
te that COVID-19 vaccination lowers the long-term risk for cardiovascul=
ar complications, such as blood clots, compared to getting sick wit=
h the virus



Why would a young healthy person that is in no risk of COVID take vaccine t=
o risk heart inflammation?

And why would you mandate it that they must take the risk?
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Why would a young healthy person that is in no risk of COVID
take vaccine to risk heart inflammation?

And why would you mandate it that they must take the risk?

Question: were young, healthy people susceptible to covid-19?

Answer:

Yes, young and healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19, though
they were generally less likely to be severely affected than older
individuals or those with underlying health conditions. Early in
the pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased and more
cases were documented, it became clear that people of all ages and
health statuses could contract the virus and experience a range of
symptoms, from mild to severe.

Key points:

Not immune:
Young, healthy people were not immune to COVID-19.

Less severe outcomes:
They were generally less likely to be hospitalized or die from the
virus compared to older adults or those with comorbidities,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

Range of symptoms:
Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases
ranging from asymptomatic to critical.

Transmission:
Young people played a role in transmitting the virus to others,
especially within their households, notes the NIH.

Ongoing research:
As the pandemic progressed, the medical community continued to
learn about the virus's impact on different age groups and
populations.

Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they could still get
infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and potentially spread it to
others.

===

Question: were covid vaccines mandated in the us

Answer:

No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never mandatory at the federal level
in the United States. However, some states and local governments
implemented their own vaccine mandates for certain groups of
people, such as healthcare workers, teachers, and government
employees. These mandates have since been lifted in most places
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>> Why would a young healthy pe=

rson that is in no risk of COVID > take vaccine to risk heart inflammation?=

And why would you mandate it that they must take the risk?Question: were=

young, healthy people susceptible to covid-19?Answer:Yes, young and health=
y people were susceptible to COVID-19, though they were generally less like=
ly to be severely affected than older individuals or those with underlying = health conditions. Early in the pandemic, data was limited, but as testing = increased and more cases were documented, it became clear that people of al=
l ages and health statuses could contract the virus and experience a range =
of symptoms, from mild to severe. Key points:Not immune:Young, healthy peop=
le were not immune to COVID-19. Less severe outcomes:They were generally le=
ss likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus compared to older adults=
or those with comorbidities, according to the Centers for Disease Control = and Prevention (CDC) and the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Range of = symptoms:Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases ran= ging from asymptomatic to critical. Transmission:Young people played a role=
in transmitting the virus to others, especially within their households, n= otes the NIH. Ongoing research:As the pandemic progressed, the medical comm= unity continued to learn about the virus's impact on different age groups a=
nd populations. Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they could still g=
et infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and potentially spread it to others. = =3D=3D=3DQuestion: were covid vaccines mandated in the usAnswer:No, the COV= ID-19 vaccine was never mandatory at the federal level in the United States=
. However, some states and local governments implemented their own vaccine = mandates for certain groups of people, such as healthcare workers, teachers=
, and government employees. These mandates have since been lifted in most p= laces







Got it =E2=80=94 let=E2=80=99s keep it sharp, trolling, in-character for yo=
ur usual tone, but casual enough that it flies under the radar and doesn=E2= =80=99t scream =E2=80=9Cprepared argument.=E2=80=9D Here=E2=80=99s the refi= ned version:


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=E2=80=9CSo now we=E2=80=99re copy-pasting AI to nitpick technicalities lik=
e =E2=80=98not federally mandated=E2=80=99 while ignoring that people still=
got pressured, threatened with jobs, kicked out of schools, etc. Young and=
healthy had near-zero risk, but yeah =E2=80=94 makes total sense to gamble=
with myocarditis =E2=80=98just in case.=E2=80=99 Really airtight logic.=E2= =80=9D


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On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Why would a young healthy person that is in no risk of COVID take
vaccine to risk heart inflammation?

And why would you mandate it that they must take the risk?

Question: were young, healthy people susceptible to covid-19?

Answer:

Yes, young and healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19, though they
were generally less likely to be severely affected than older
individuals or those with underlying health conditions. Early in the pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased and more cases were documented, it became clear that people of all ages and health statuses could contract the virus and experience a range of symptoms, from mild
to severe.
Key points:

Not immune:
Young, healthy people were not immune to COVID-19.
Less severe outcomes:
They were generally less likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus compared to older adults or those with comorbidities, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National
Institutes of Health (NIH).
Range of symptoms:
Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases ranging
from asymptomatic to critical.
Transmission:
Young people played a role in transmitting the virus to others,
especially within their households, notes the NIH.

And the vaccines did not stop this. Meaningless point, unless your a
teacher using the union to stay at home.

Ongoing research:
As the pandemic progressed, the medical community continued to learn
about the virus's impact on different age groups and populations.
Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they could still get infected
with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and potentially spread it to others.

Again, vaccines do not stop transmission.

===

Question: were covid vaccines mandated in the us

Answer:

No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never mandatory at the federal level in the United States. However, some states and local governments implemented
their own vaccine mandates for certain groups of people, such as
healthcare workers, teachers, and government employees. These mandates
have since been lifted in most places

Biden sure tried to, every employer over 150 people. CDC recommendation
was the basically the same as requirement, ask military members, student athletes, etc.
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https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/117238

Getting my 9th vacc on Monday. At this rate, I'll be able to stream
Netflix straight from my arm by Christmas.
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Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r

On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>=

writes:> >>>> Why would a young healthy person that is in no risk of COVID=
take >> vaccine to risk heart inflammation?>>>> And why would you mandate =
it that they must take the risk?> > Question: were young, healthy people su= sceptible to covid-19?> > Answer:> > Yes, young and healthy people were sus= ceptible to COVID-19, though they > were generally less likely to be severe=
ly affected than older > individuals or those with underlying health condit= ions. Early in the > pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased a=
nd more cases were > documented, it became clear that people of all ages an=
d health statuses > could contract the virus and experience a range of symp= toms, from mild > to severe.> Key points:> > Not immune:> Young, healthy pe= ople were not immune to COVID-19.> Less severe outcomes:> They were general=
ly less likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus > compared to older=
adults or those with comorbidities, according to the > Centers for Disease=
Control and Prevention (CDC) and the National > Institutes of Health (NIH)=

Range of symptoms:> Young people could still experience severe illness, =

with cases ranging > from asymptomatic to critical.> Transmission:> Young p= eople played a role in transmitting the virus to others, > especially withi=
n their households, notes the NIH.And the vaccines did not stop this. Meani= ngless point, unless your a teacher using the union to stay at home.> Ongoi=
ng research:> As the pandemic progressed, the medical community continued t=
o learn > about the virus's impact on different age groups and populations.=

Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they could still get infected > =

with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and potentially spread it to others.Again, vaccin=
es do not stop transmission.> =3D=3D=3D> > Question: were covid vaccines ma= ndated in the us> > Answer:> > No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never mandatory=
at the federal level in the > United States. However, some states and loca=
l governments implemented > their own vaccine mandates for certain groups o=
f people, such as > healthcare workers, teachers, and government employees.=
These mandates > have since been lifted in most placesBiden sure tried to,=
every employer over 150 people. CDC recommendation was the basically the s= ame as requirement, ask military members, student athletes, etc.-- --------= -------Scall5




You=E2=80=99ve got solid ground to back that person up =E2=80=94 and here= =E2=80=99s how to reinforce their point with receipts and a punchy reply th=
at keeps the tone sharp but not overbearing:

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=E2=80=9CLet=E2=80=99s not play semantics. Biden=E2=80=99s OSHA rule requir=
ed companies with over 100 employees to either mandate vaccines or force we= ekly testing =E2=80=94 affecting over 80 million Americans. That=E2=80=99s = not a suggestion, that=E2=80=99s a federal squeeze. And if you were in the = military, a student athlete, or just trying to keep your scholarship, CDC = =E2=80=98recommendations=E2=80=99 felt a lot like ultimatums. So yeah, mand= ates happened =E2=80=94 just dressed in different uniforms.=E2=80=9D

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This reply is tight, factual, and hits the hypocrisy angle without sounding=
bitter. Want to add a follow-up jab or keep it clean for now?



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Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Why would a young healthy person that is in no risk of COVID
take
vaccine to risk heart inflammation?

And why would you mandate it that they must take the risk?

Question: were young, healthy people susceptible to covid-19?
Answer:
Yes, young and healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19,
though
they were generally less likely to be severely affected than
older
individuals or those with underlying health conditions. Early
in the
pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased and more
cases
were documented, it became clear that people of all ages and
health
statuses could contract the virus and experience a range of
symptoms, from mild to severe.
Key points:
Not immune:
Young, healthy people were not immune to COVID-19.
Less severe outcomes:
They were generally less likely to be hospitalized or die from
the
virus compared to older adults or those with comorbidities,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC)
and the National Institutes of Health (NIH).
Range of symptoms:
Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases
ranging from asymptomatic to critical.
Transmission:
Young people played a role in transmitting the virus to others,
especially within their households, notes the NIH.

And the vaccines did not stop this. Meaningless point, unless
your a
teacher using the union to stay at home.

Ongoing research:
As the pandemic progressed, the medical community continued to
learn
about the virus's impact on different age groups and
populations.
Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they could still get
infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and potentially spread it to
others.

Again, vaccines do not stop transmission.

Question: does the covid-19 mrna vaccine prevent transmission

Answer:

No, the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine does not completely prevent
transmission, but it can significantly reduce it. Early in the
pandemic, the vaccines offered substantial protection against
infection and, consequently, transmission, especially with earlier
strains of the virus. While the protective effect on transmission
has lessened with the emergence of new variants like Omicron,
studies still show that vaccination offers indirect protection to
others by reducing the spread of the virus.

# How Vaccines Affect Transmission

## Reduced Secondary Attack Rates:

Some studies have found lower rates of secondary infections in
contacts of vaccinated individuals compared to contacts of
unvaccinated individuals.

## Shorter Infectious Period:

Vaccinated individuals may clear the virus faster, which could
lead to a shorter period of being infectious and thus a lower
likelihood of transmitting the virus to others.

## Indirect Protection:

Vaccination provides indirect protection to the community, as a
greater number of vaccinated people can reduce the overall spread
of the virus.

# Factors Influencing Transmission Prevention

## Viral Variants:

The effectiveness of vaccines in preventing transmission varies
with new viral variants, with some studies showing that the
protection against transmission has decreased with the Omicron
variant.

## Time Since Vaccination:

The indirect protective effect of vaccines is strongest within the
first few months after vaccination.

## Vaccine-Host Interaction:

The combination of factors such as the circulating virus, the
vaccine, and the population's overall immunity influences the
degree to which vaccines affect transmission.

===
Question: were covid vaccines mandated in the us
Answer:
No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never mandatory at the federal
level in
the United States. However, some states and local governments
implemented their own vaccine mandates for certain groups of
people,
such as healthcare workers, teachers, and government
employees. These mandates have since been lifted in most places

Biden sure tried to, every employer over 150 people. CDC
recommendation was the basically the same as requirement, ask
military
members, student athletes, etc.

But did it ever affect you? I never noticed anything, and it was
blocked in the courts as it should have been.

Question: was biden's exective order "Emergency Temporary
Standard" ever legally binding?

Answer:

No, President Biden's Emergency Temporary Standard (ETS) for
COVID-19 vaccination and testing was never legally binding or
enforceable for large private employers. The U.S. Supreme Court
blocked the mandate in January 2022, and it was officially
withdrawn later that month.

Key details about the ETS and its legal fate:

# The initial order: The ETS was issued by the Occupational Safety
and Health Administration (OSHA) in November 2021. It would have
required private employers with 100 or more employees to mandate
that their workforce either be fully vaccinated against COVID-19
or undergo weekly testing and wear masks.

# Supreme Court block: The ETS was immediately challenged in
court. On January 13, 2022, the Supreme Court, in a 6rCo3
decision, ruled that OSHA had overstepped its authority. The
court stated that the mandate was a broad public health measure,
not a workplace safety standard, and therefore exceeded the
powers granted to OSHA by Congress.

# Enforcement prevented: The Supreme Court's ruling reinstated a
previous nationwide stay, which effectively blocked OSHA from
enforcing the ETS on large private companies.

# Formal withdrawal: Following the Supreme Court's decision, OSHA
formally withdrew the ETS as an enforceable emergency standard
on January 25, 2022.

# Exceptions and other mandates: The Supreme Court's ruling did
not affect a separate, similar mandate for certain health care
workers at facilities receiving federal funds. It also did not
prevent states or private employers from implementing their own
vaccination or testing policies.

In short, legal challenges prevented the ETS from ever being
enforced, and the standard was officially withdrawn shortly after
the Supreme Court's decision.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r

On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:> *skriptis
<skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> >>>> Why would a young
healthy person that is in no risk of COVID take >> vaccine to
risk heart inflammation?>>>> And why would you mandate it that
they must take the risk?> > Question: were young, healthy
people susceptible to covid-19?> > Answer:> > Yes, young and
healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19, though they > were
generally less likely to be severely affected than older >
individuals or those with underlying health conditions. Early
in the > pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased
and more cases were > documented, it became clear that people
of all ages and health statuses > could contract the virus and
experience a range of symptoms, from mild > to severe.> Key
points:> > Not immune:> Young, healthy people were not immune
to COVID-19.> Less severe outcomes:> They were generally less
likely to be hospitalized or die from the virus > compared to
older adults or those with comorbidities, according to the >
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the
National > Institutes of Health (NIH).> Range of symptoms:>
Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases
ranging > from asymptomatic to critical.> Transmission:> Young
people played a role in transmitting the virus to others, >
especially within their households, notes the NIH.And the
vaccines did not stop this. Meaningless point, unless your a
teacher using the union to stay at home.> Ongoing research:> As
the pandemic progressed, the medical community continued to
learn > about the virus's impact on different age groups and
populations.> Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they
could still get infected > with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and
potentially spread it to others.Again, vaccines do not stop
transmission.> ===> > Question: were covid vaccines mandated in
the us> > Answer:> > No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never
mandatory at the federal level in the > United States. However,
some states and local governments implemented > their own
vaccine mandates for certain groups of people, such as >
healthcare workers, teachers, and government employees. These
mandates > have since been lifted in most placesBiden sure
tried to, every employer over 150 people. CDC recommendation
was the basically the same as requirement, ask military
members, student athletes, etc.-- ---------------Scall5

YourCOve got solid ground to back that person up rCo and hererCOs how
to reinforce their point with receipts and a punchy reply that
keeps the tone sharp but not overbearing:

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rCLLetrCOs not play semantics. BidenrCOs OSHA rule required companies
with over 100 employees to either mandate vaccines or force
weekly testing rCo affecting over 80 million Americans. ThatrCOs not
a suggestion, thatrCOs a federal squeeze. And if you were in the
military, a student athlete, or just trying to keep your
scholarship, CDC rCyrecommendationsrCO felt a lot like
ultimatums. So yeah, mandates happened rCo just dressed in
different uniforms.rCY

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This reply is tight, factual, and hits the hypocrisy angle
without sounding bitter. Want to add a follow-up jab or keep it
clean for now?

Let's not forget *skriptis has been sitting in Croatia all these
years... probably has never set foot in the states. Anyone trust
his perception of what happened here during the pandemic?

Yeah, I thought not.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

AI is trained on the available data.
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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 18.26:> https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid1

lol
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrot=

e in message:r>> On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:> *skriptis >> <skrip= tis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> >>>> Why would a young >> healthy person that i=
s in no risk of COVID take >> vaccine to >> risk heart inflammation?>>>> An=
d why would you mandate it that >> they must take the risk?> > Question: we=
re young, healthy >> people susceptible to covid-19?> > Answer:> > Yes, you=
ng and >> healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19, though they > were >=

generally less likely to be severely affected than older > >> individuals=

or those with underlying health conditions. Early >> in the > pandemic, da=
ta was limited, but as testing increased >> and more cases were > documente=
d, it became clear that people >> of all ages and health statuses > could c= ontract the virus and >> experience a range of symptoms, from mild > to sev= ere.> Key >> points:> > Not immune:> Young, healthy people were not immune =

to COVID-19.> Less severe outcomes:> They were generally less >> likely =

to be hospitalized or die from the virus > compared to >> older adults or t= hose with comorbidities, according to the > >> Centers for Disease Control = and Prevention (CDC) and the >> National > Institutes of Health (NIH).> Ran=
ge of symptoms:> >> Young people could still experience severe illness, wit=
h cases >> ranging > from asymptomatic to critical.> Transmission:> Young >=

people played a role in transmitting the virus to others, > >> especially=

within their households, notes the NIH.And the >> vaccines did not stop th= is. Meaningless point, unless your a >> teacher using the union to stay at = home.> Ongoing research:> As >> the pandemic progressed, the medical commun= ity continued to >> learn > about the virus's impact on different age group=
s and >> populations.> Therefore, even if someone felt healthy, they >> cou=
ld still get infected > with the SARS-CoV-2 virus and >> potentially spread=
it to others.Again, vaccines do not stop >> transmission.> =3D=3D=3D> > Qu= estion: were covid vaccines mandated in >> the us> > Answer:> > No, the COV= ID-19 vaccine was never >> mandatory at the federal level in the > United S= tates. However, >> some states and local governments implemented > their ow=
n >> vaccine mandates for certain groups of people, such as > >> healthcare=
workers, teachers, and government employees. These >> mandates > have sinc=
e been lifted in most placesBiden sure >> tried to, every employer over 150=
people. CDC recommendation >> was the basically the same as requirement, a=
sk military >> members, student athletes, etc.-- ---------------Scall5>>>>>=
You=E2=80=99ve got solid ground to back that person up =E2=80=94 and here= =E2=80=99s how > to reinforce their point with receipts and a punchy reply = that > keeps the tone sharp but not overbearing:>> --->> =E2=80=9CLet=E2=80= =99s not play semantics. Biden=E2=80=99s OSHA rule required companies > wit=
h over 100 employees to either mandate vaccines or force > weekly testing = =E2=80=94 affecting over 80 million Americans. That=E2=80=99s not > a sugge= stion, that=E2=80=99s a federal squeeze. And if you were in the > military,=
a student athlete, or just trying to keep your > scholarship, CDC =E2=80= =98recommendations=E2=80=99 felt a lot like > ultimatums. So yeah, mandates=
happened =E2=80=94 just dressed in > different uniforms.=E2=80=9D>> --->> = This reply is tight, factual, and hits the hypocrisy angle > without soundi=
ng bitter. Want to add a follow-up jab or keep it > clean for now?Let's not=
forget *skriptis has been sitting in Croatia all these years... probably h=
as never set foot in the states. Anyone trust his perception of what happe= ned here during the pandemic?Yeah, I thought not.





Here=E2=80=99s a reply that flips the insult, keeps it cool, and lands with=
swagger:

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=E2=80=9CAh yes, the classic =E2=80=98you weren=E2=80=99t physically here s=
o your brain doesn=E2=80=99t count=E2=80=99 argument. Bold move, considerin=
g half your own opinions come copy-pasted from AI. Geography doesn=E2=80=99=
t grant insight =E2=80=94 logic does. And if Croatia=E2=80=99s where people=
still think critically, maybe I=E2=80=99ll stay.=E2=80=9D

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It=E2=80=99s dismissive, clever, and reframes the debate without sounding d= efensive. Want to add a second punch or let that one simmer?
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise
<jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

AI is trained on the available data.

But obviously not trained on the scads of dubious sources you
flooded this newsgroup with for 2 years. Wonder why? You
promised all us vaxxers some kind of health reckoning in the
coming years, didn't you? Funny thing is, like most vax deniers
you were vaxxed too! LOL!
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

HererCOs a reply that flips the insult, keeps it cool, and lands
with swagger:

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rCLAh yes, the classic rCyyou werenrCOt physically here so your brain doesnrCOt countrCO argument. Bold move, considering half your own
opinions come copy-pasted from AI. Geography doesnrCOt grant
insight rCo logic does. And if CroatiarCOs where people still think critically, maybe IrCOll stay.rCY

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ItrCOs dismissive, clever, and reframes the debate without
sounding defensive. Want to add a second punch or let that one
simmer?

I think it's important in this case. The news is biased, so are
opinions on the internet... I mean just look at scal5, he would
have you believe Biden sent out jackbooted soldiers to enforce
mask mandates, strap us down and forcefully inject us with
vaccines and arrest us for going to the beach. It's pretty easy
to believe that if you don't live here.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

I am not sure why are you very defensive for this vaccine which
clearly did nothing while the infections never stopped and people
like you and TT had nothing to offer than suggesting that people
that took the vaccine and got infected would have died if they
didn't get vaccinated.
My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and was infected
twice. I was infected once with two shots. Data showed that the
vaccine triggers heart issues specially in younger people and
this is with the constraints that the media put on any negative
information regarding the vaccine.
You guys forgot how Google and government censored anyone that
talked against the vaccine, so don't come now and tell me people
were free to share and publish any concerns or studies that
suggested problems with the vaccine.

People everywhere were forced to take the vaccine otherwise they
get fired from their jobs or schools. Marines and other military
members were fired because they decided not to take
it.

Then you get all these agencies publishing numbers and charts how
effective the vaccine was and that every unvaccinated person
died.

Btw, how many times did Pfizer lie about drugs or research and was
found guilty to settle these cases and pay billions of
dollars?
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise
<jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

I am not sure why are you very defensive for this vaccine which
clearly did nothing while the infections never stopped and
people
like you and TT had nothing to offer than suggesting that
people
that took the vaccine and got infected would have died if they
didn't get vaccinated.

This isn't about the vax. It's about you doubling down on your unsubstantiated, unverifiable, unresearched opinions and
presenting conspiracy theories and hyperbole as fact.

When the most prominent sources don't agree with your opinion, you
attack those sources. You claim they're some kind of cabal out to
silence YOU and your opinions. Oh yes, all the AI chatbots are
conspiring to spread pro-vax propaganda, even "free speech
absolutist" Elon Musk's own! Sure... must have been infiltrated
by the dems or Biden... or *shudder* OBAMA AND OPRAH... right
Pete?

My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and was
infected
twice. I was infected once with two shots. Data showed that the
vaccine triggers heart issues specially in younger people and
this is with the constraints that the media put on any negative
information regarding the vaccine.

Let's stop the hyperbole, he wasn't "forced" to do anything. You
guys were told to do it or else he couldn't participate in
something. You had a choice. If you were *actually* worried
about the risk you wouldn't have let him. Put it this way, what
kind of father would let his son get a medical procedure if he was
seriously worried it would kill him or damage his heart? And
three times!? Gosh Pete, are you so petty you put your own son at
risk just to say "I told you so!" to your doctor?

Well, did he ever have any heart problems?

You guys forgot how Google and government censored anyone that
talked against the vaccine, so don't come now and tell me
people
were free to share and publish any concerns or studies that
suggested problems with the vaccine.

No they didn't, else you wouldn't have been posting thousands of
random links from google all day, every day about it. How do I
know you were using google? Because you were constantly goofing
up posts and sending random icons from google rather than the
article you wanted us to read.

People everywhere were forced to take the vaccine otherwise they
get fired from their jobs or schools. Marines and other
military
members were fired because they decided not to take
it.

EVERYONE EVERYWHERE! OH NO! Actually, not really everyone, not
even most people. And last I heard military folks are paid to
follow orders, maintain uniformity and stay in fighting condition.
That probably includes following the doctor's orders in the
contract, no?

Then you get all these agencies publishing numbers and charts
how
effective the vaccine was and that every unvaccinated person
died.

More unsubstantiated hyperbole.

Btw, how many times did Pfizer lie about drugs or research and
was
found guilty to settle these cases and pay billions of
dollars?

Many billions indeed! Don't disagree with you there. Does that
mean I think everything they produce is garbage? Nah. If
anything, this was a good test of our ability as a species to
rapidly develop a unique vaccine, mass produce it and distribute
it.
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On 8/30/25 3:21 PM, jdeluise wrote:

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r

On 8/30/2025 2:53 PM, jdeluise wrote:> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-
com.hr> writes:> >>>> Why would a young healthy person that is in no
risk of COVID take >> vaccine to risk heart inflammation?>>>> And why
would you mandate it that they must take the risk?> > Question: were
young, healthy people susceptible to covid-19?> > Answer:> > Yes,
young and healthy people were susceptible to COVID-19, though they >
were generally less likely to be severely affected than older >
individuals or those with underlying health conditions. Early in the

pandemic, data was limited, but as testing increased and more cases

were > documented, it became clear that people of all ages and health
statuses > could contract the virus and experience a range of
symptoms, from mild > to severe.> Key points:> > Not immune:> Young,
healthy people were not immune to COVID-19.> Less severe outcomes:>
They were generally less likely to be hospitalized or die from the
virus > compared to older adults or those with comorbidities,
according to the > Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
and the National > Institutes of Health (NIH).> Range of symptoms:>
Young people could still experience severe illness, with cases
ranging > from asymptomatic to critical.> Transmission:> Young people
played a role in transmitting the virus to others, > especially
within their households, notes the NIH.And the vaccines did not stop
this. Meaningless point, unless your a teacher using the union to
stay at home.> Ongoing research:> As the pandemic progressed, the
medical community continued to learn > about the virus's impact on
different age groups and populations.> Therefore, even if someone
felt healthy, they could still get infected > with the SARS-CoV-2
virus and potentially spread it to others.Again, vaccines do not stop
transmission.> ===> > Question: were covid vaccines mandated in the

Answer:> > No, the COVID-19 vaccine was never mandatory at the

federal level in the > United States. However, some states and local
governments implemented > their own vaccine mandates for certain
groups of people, such as > healthcare workers, teachers, and
government employees. These mandates > have since been lifted in most
placesBiden sure tried to, every employer over 150 people. CDC
recommendation was the basically the same as requirement, ask
military members, student athletes, etc.-- ---------------Scall5

YourCOve got solid ground to back that person up rCo and hererCOs how to
reinforce their point with receipts and a punchy reply that keeps the
tone sharp but not overbearing:

---

rCLLetrCOs not play semantics. BidenrCOs OSHA rule required companies with >> over 100 employees to either mandate vaccines or force weekly testing
rCo affecting over 80 million Americans. ThatrCOs not a suggestion, thatrCOs
a federal squeeze. And if you were in the military, a student athlete,
or just trying to keep your scholarship, CDC rCyrecommendationsrCO felt a >> lot like ultimatums. So yeah, mandates happened rCo just dressed in
different uniforms.rCY

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This reply is tight, factual, and hits the hypocrisy angle without
sounding bitter. Want to add a follow-up jab or keep it clean for now?

Let's not forget *skriptis has been sitting in Croatia all these
years... probably has never set foot in the states.-a Anyone trust his perception of what happened here during the pandemic?

Yeah, I thought not.

Actually, here in Portland, OR, I had to carry a vaccination record in
my wallet and present it to enter various businesses. I would assume
that this would mean de facto that any employees working there would
have had to get vaxxed, or change jobs.

This may/may not have been mandated at some governmental level but the
fact was it was a pain-in-the ass.

Now, all that said, I took all the vaxxes available and at the time was
glad of it, so no complaints, nor any complaints about these business requirements, but it's disingenuous to say that this was *not* part of
the normal life back then, or that it was not intrusive--it was for me,
for sure. But so what? It was like any time of an upset stasis--things
will be unsettled until a new stasis is achieved.
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PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:

My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and was infected
twice. I was infected once with two shots.

Nobody claimed that you don't ever get infected after taking the
vaccine. Data showed that probability to infect went down for a while,
and that the infection symptoms were milder after a vaccine.

Your Covid infection could have taken you to hospital with permanent
damage if you hadn't taken the vaccine. But you're ok now, right?

Uncle's neighbour, a middle aged man, got covid before vaccinations and
he was hospitalized & in really bad shape after coming out, walking with
a roller and extra oxygen, I assume never working a day after his covid infection. That doesn't really happen nowadays, hospitals are not filled
with covid victims.

It's easy NOW to bitch about vaccines, after you had one and survived
covid with no visible damage to your health. I'm certainly happy I took
the vaccine before getting covid, if I ever had one...

Yes, one could have done just fine without the vaccine and having covid,
but the odds were larger to have serious complications & hospital
treatment from the virus.
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:> Here=E2=80=99s a reply that f=

lips the insult, keeps it cool, and lands > with swagger:>> --->> =E2=80=9C=
Ah yes, the classic =E2=80=98you weren=E2=80=99t physically here so your br= ain > doesn=E2=80=99t count=E2=80=99 argument. Bold move, considering half = your own > opinions come copy-pasted from AI. Geography doesn=E2=80=99t gra=
nt > insight =E2=80=94 logic does. And if Croatia=E2=80=99s where people st= ill think > critically, maybe I=E2=80=99ll stay.=E2=80=9D>> --->> It=E2=80= =99s dismissive, clever, and reframes the debate without > sounding defensi= ve. Want to add a second punch or let that one > simmer?I think it's import= ant in this case. The news is biased, so are opinions on the internet... I=
mean just look at scal5, he would have you believe Biden sent out jackboot=
ed soldiers to enforce mask mandates, strap us down and forcefully inject u=
s with vaccines and arrest us for going to the beach. It's pretty easy to = believe that if you don't live here.



It's your usual way.

You're ok with government issuing orders (threats) to Google to spy on you = and give them data?

And you're ok with as along it's a private company doing it?

That would be oversimplification but it's you.


So no point in discussing this issue with you.


Of course I agreed with scall5 because I understand his point and it's quit=
e irrelevant for me in what way they achieved their oppression. Pure brute = force with boots on the ground or some covert, backdoor "just business" man= date.

I never believed Biden sent tanks to the streets to vaxx people so you're s= illy for saying I'm not informed.

But I do know Djokovic played USO in 2020, he played in 2021, and two and h= alf years after pandemic starter, in 2022 with situation lot better he was = banned from entering your country.

Which is illegal btw. USO is international sporting event. Like Olympics. T= here are special rules for that.

What if China banned Phelps from entering in 2008 for not taking some Chine=
se medicine?
Injecting himself with it.





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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

Vaccine was forced, teachers were fired, military people were
fired, students were forced to take it otherwise they can't
attend college. Social media accounts were monitored and
terminated everywhere if they questioned the vaccine or the
rules. Videos were monitored and removed.

vaccinated people were spreading the disease the same way as the
unvaccinated people while it was only the unvaccinated people
that were punished and got terminated because they are dangerous
on public health.

Now tell me if this made any sense.

Until today, people are getting Covid vaccine and are getting
infected and getting as sick as people that never got vaccinated.
Why is that? Why isn't the vaccine helping in any way?


But then we need to remember that people that got vaccinated and
then got infected would have died if they didn't get vaccinated,
lol, BS.

If they can't until today after all these years make a vaccine
that protects the vaccinated person in any way, then it's useless
and big fraud.

Oh and here is the best part, when the scientists (liars) came to
tell us that the protection gain by being infected is much weaker
than the protection gained by the vaccine, →
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TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that doesn't
stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being claimed as
90% effective?
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On 8/31/2025 8:45 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that doesn't
stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being claimed as
90% effective?

Good question. Not that I am interested enough to do any research on it,
lol.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise
<jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

Vaccine was forced, teachers were fired, military people were
fired, students were forced to take it otherwise they can't
attend college. Social media accounts were monitored and
terminated everywhere if they questioned the vaccine or the
rules. Videos were monitored and removed.

vaccinated people were spreading the disease the same way as
the
unvaccinated people while it was only the unvaccinated people
that were punished and got terminated because they are
dangerous
on public health.

Now tell me if this made any sense.

Until today, people are getting Covid vaccine and are getting
infected and getting as sick as people that never got
vaccinated.
Why is that? Why isn't the vaccine helping in any way?


But then we need to remember that people that got vaccinated and
then got infected would have died if they didn't get
vaccinated,
lol, BS.

If they can't until today after all these years make a vaccine
that protects the vaccinated person in any way, then it's
useless
and big fraud.

Oh and here is the best part, when the scientists (liars) came
to
tell us that the protection gain by being infected is much
weaker
than the protection gained by the vaccine,

Answer me this, if you knew the vax was so dangerous and might
kill or permanently damage your son, why did you let him get
vaxxed three times?
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Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:

On 8/31/2025 8:45 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced
to get the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that
doesn't
stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being
claimed as
90% effective?

Good question. Not that I am interested enough to do any
research on
it, lol.

lol, you never are. Ignorance is bliss.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced
to get the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that
doesn't
stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being claimed
as
90% effective?

I thought the game in this thread was to ask a chatbot and post
the result?
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

We believed the lies in the beginning and we all got the two shots.

Now you reminded me of this good story.
So he caught Covid after taking the two shots and this was before
the winter semester.

College asked students to get a PCR Covid test so that they can
attend and also asked them to get the 3rd shot.

Of course his PCR Covid test came positive because the virus parts
stay in the blood for long time. We contacted the college
informing them that he got Covid and no need for the 3rd shot but
they were like you brainwashed running a dictatorship.
So my son told me he will get the 3rd shot even he didn't want to
take it. In order to get the shot you had to answer questions,
one of them was if you had Covid recently. He had to answer it
saying "no" in order to get vaccinated. This is how fucked up
the system was.
Then college told him it's fine you can attend college even his
PCR Covid test was positive.

Amazing, right?
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise
<jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>

We believed the lies in the beginning and we all got the two
shots.

I see, but earlier you said "My son was forced to get the vaccine
three times and was infected twice." So actually he wasn't
*forced* any time. You were happy to do it the first two times
and the third time I guess you just rolled the dice with his
health because you wanted him to finish school? What good's a
diploma if you're dead or incapacitated though? COME ON Pete, at
worst you were coerced into taking a risk. That's not the same as
"forced".

Now you reminded me of this good story.
So he caught Covid after taking the two shots and this was
before
the winter semester.

College asked students to get a PCR Covid test so that they can
attend and also asked them to get the 3rd shot.

Of course his PCR Covid test came positive because the virus
parts
stay in the blood for long time. We contacted the college
informing them that he got Covid and no need for the 3rd shot
but
they were like you brainwashed running a dictatorship.
So my son told me he will get the 3rd shot even he didn't want
to
take it. In order to get the shot you had to answer questions,
one of them was if you had Covid recently. He had to answer it
saying "no" in order to get vaccinated. This is how fucked up
the system was.
Then college told him it's fine you can attend college even his
PCR Covid test was positive.

Amazing, right?

That does sound stupid. Inefficient, inconsistent bureaucracy at
work.
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.c=

Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:> jde=

luise >> <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> >> We believed the lies =
in the beginning and we all got the two > shots.I see, but earlier you said=
"My son was forced to get the vaccine three times and was infected twice."=
So actually he wasn't *forced* any time. You were happy to do it the fir=
st two times and the third time I guess you just rolled the dice with his h= ealth because you wanted him to finish school? What good's a diploma if yo= u're dead or incapacitated though? COME ON Pete, at worst you were coerced=
into taking a risk. That's not the same as "forced".>> Now you reminded m=
e of this good story. > So he caught Covid after taking the two shots and = this was > before> the winter semester. >> College asked students to get a=
PCR Covid test so that they can> attend and also asked them to get the 3r=
d shot.>> Of course his PCR Covid test came positive because the virus > pa=

stay in the blood for long time. We contacted the college> informing=

them that he got Covid and no need for the 3rd shot > but> they were lik=
e you brainwashed running a dictatorship.> So my son told me he will get th=
e 3rd shot even he didn't want > to> take it. In order to get the shot you=
had to answer questions,> one of them was if you had Covid recently. He = had to answer it> saying "no" in order to get vaccinated. This is how fuc= ked up> the system was. > Then college told him it's fine you can attend c= ollege even his> PCR Covid test was positive. >> Amazing, right?That does = sound stupid. Inefficient, inconsistent bureaucracy at work.



Jdeluise, slavery is abolished, serfdom is abolished.

When people says "forced", in this current year, and if it pertains free ci= tizens, not prisoners, they usually refer to being coerced or blackmailed o=
r pushed to do something.

No need for linguistic jerking.


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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Jdeluise, slavery is abolished, serfdom is abolished.

When people says "forced", in this current year, and if it
pertains free citizens, not prisoners, they usually refer to
being coerced or blackmailed or pushed to do something.

No need for linguistic jerking.

There are still plenty of ways to be forcefully arrested for
non-compliance in 2025. At the local level, people were arrested
for not complying with COVID "safety standards" (which I think is
wrong except in the most egregious cases, to be clear!). But I
never heard of someone being arrested for not getting the vax.

As Pete himself clarified, his son wasn't even "coerced" three
times. He happily took the vax 2/3 of the time.

Why can't you guys just speak plainly about the topic without all
the hyperbole? I think it's because without the hyperbole you'd
sound like a bunch of whiny, entitled karens looking for special
carveouts for yourself.
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On 8/31/25 7:10 AM, Scall5 wrote:

On 8/31/2025 8:45 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced to get
the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that doesn't
-a stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being claimed as
-a 90% effective?

Good question. Not that I am interested enough to do any research on it, lol.

I think we need to sit outside of the debate to begin to "get" what the vaccines did and did not do.

It is entirely possible, even probable, that the vaccines reduced the
number of infections by n%. It is also possible that it reduced the
severity of infection in n% of the cases of infection. To compound the situation each of the vaccines and each numbered iteration of each,
likely had a varying degree of effectiveness, and *that* too would vary
from race to race, individual to individual.The problem is: how would
one check this objectively?

I can recall only Sweden among the industrialized nations that did not
mandate vaccination, either implicitly or explicitly, and even this is compounded because the vaccines were available in Sweden, available for individuals to use, just not mandated by authority.

We've got to remember just how fuckin' *scared* everyone was. Much of
the political response was of the nature of offering hope and
re-assurance to a panicky and anxious public. Believe it or not, we had
people on this very group claiming to have been infected *before*
COVID-19 was identified as the newly emerging disease, and who struggled mightily overnight, and defeated the foul pathogen. So basically the authorities over-promised and accentuated every potential positive
aspect that might be expected of the vaccines simply to calm people down.

So I'd conclude that the debate at this point really boils down to the
fact that political leadership oversold the effectiveness of the
vaccines (they worked, but not as well as claimed); and at this point
those who are anti-vaxxers are simply pissed off that they were *made*
to do something they never wanted to do in the first place, and they now
seem to be claiming that the vaccines did not work at all, implying that
in fact while thre vaccines did not work (at all), they harmed countless others.

It's as simple as that really.
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Sawfish kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 20.32:

On 8/31/25 7:10 AM, Scall5 wrote:

On 8/31/2025 8:45 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 3.40:> My son was forced to get
the vaccine three times and w

Can we say that the Covid vaccine is the only vaccine that doesn't
-a stop illness and doesn't stop transmission while being claimed as
-a 90% effective?

Good question. Not that I am interested enough to do any research on
it, lol.

I think we need to sit outside of the debate to begin to "get" what the vaccines did and did not do.

It is entirely possible, even probable, that the vaccines reduced the
number of infections by n%. It is also possible that it reduced the
severity of infection in n% of the cases of infection. To compound the situation each of the vaccines and each numbered iteration of each,
likely had a varying degree of effectiveness, and *that* too would vary
from race to race, individual to individual.The problem is: how would
one check this objectively?

I can recall only Sweden among the industrialized nations that did not mandate vaccination, either implicitly or explicitly, and even this is compounded because the vaccines were available in Sweden, available for individuals to use, just not mandated by authority.

We've got to remember just how fuckin' *scared* everyone was. Much of
the political response was of the nature of offering hope and re-
assurance to a panicky and anxious public. Believe it or not, we had
people on this very group claiming to have been infected *before*
COVID-19 was identified as the newly emerging disease, and who struggled mightily overnight, and defeated the foul pathogen. So basically the authorities over-promised and accentuated every potential positive
aspect that might be expected of the vaccines simply to calm people down.

So I'd conclude that the debate at this point really boils down to the
fact that political leadership oversold the effectiveness of the
vaccines (they worked, but not as well as claimed); and at this point
those who are anti-vaxxers are simply pissed off that they were *made*
to do something they never wanted to do in the first place, and they now seem to be claiming that the vaccines did not work at all, implying that
in fact while thre vaccines did not work (at all), they harmed countless others.

It's as simple as that really.

Pretty much.
I think arguing still about covid vaccines is beating a dead horse.
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>> Jdeluise, slavery is abolished, serfdom is abolished.>> When people says "forced", in this current year, and if it > pertains free citizens, not prisoners, they usually refer to > being coerced or blackmailed or pushed to do something.>> No need for linguistic jerking.There are still plenty of ways to be forcefully arrested for non-compliance in 2025. At the local level, people were arrested for not complying with COVID "safety standards" (which I think is wrong except in the most egregious cases, to be clear!). But I never heard of someone being arrested for not getting the vax.As Pete himself clarified, his son wasn't even "coerced" three times. He happily took the vax 2/3 of the time.Why can't you guys just speak plainly about the topic without all the hyperbole? I think it's because without the hyperbole you'd sound like a bunch of whiny, entitled karens looking for special carveouts for yourself.

I was never vaxxed, never thought about it, it never touched me for one second, it's a non issue for me.

However, I know many were coerced or blackmailed and they had to pay a huge price for it, which I then consider forceful.

It's not a hyperbole for me, as I said, Gestapo doesn't exist and the other similar agency, CIA or Mossad, they only kidnap their enemies and torture them in secrecy, they weren't dealing with COVID so I don't really expect "force" in the literal sense like you do.

Do you expect people to lose their jobs, scholarship, career? Isn't that too much to ask?

For you, Djokovic wasn't forced, for me, he was because the cost they threw at him was enormous.
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On 8/31/25 11:26 AM, *skriptis wrote:

jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>> Jdeluise, slavery is abolished, serfdom is abolished.>> When people says "forced", in this current year, and if it > pertains free citizens, not prisoners, they usually refer to > being coerced or blackmailed or pushed to do something.>> No need for linguistic jerking.There are still plenty of ways to be forcefully arrested for non-compliance in 2025. At the local level, people were arrested for not complying with COVID "safety standards" (which I think is wrong except in the most egregious cases, to be clear!). But I never heard of someone being arrested for not getting the vax.As Pete himself clarified, his son wasn't even "coerced" three times. He happily took the vax 2/3 of the time.Why can't you guys just speak plainly about the topic without all the hyperbole? I think it's because without the hyperbole you'd sound like a bunch of whiny, entitled karens looking for special carveouts for yourself.

I was never vaxxed, never thought about it, it never touched me for one second, it's a non issue for me.

That's a good thing, and I'm glad for you.

I was vaxxed three times and got it twice. After second time I quit even testing, and I suspect that I may have gotten it as much as twice more.

But an important point was that when I tested and found that I had it, I
was not sick enough to concern myself much; I tested because someone
else in the household tested, and we had a lot of tests so I had them on
hand to use.

Really, if I had never heard of COVID, I would have thought I had a
cold--and not a particularly bad one.

I got curious earlier this AM and looked at the reported stats on
Wikipedia. Superficially nothing jumps out without more info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_territory#Statistics

However, I know many were coerced or blackmailed and they had to pay a huge price for it, which I then consider forceful.

It's not a hyperbole for me, as I said, Gestapo doesn't exist and the other similar agency, CIA or Mossad, they only kidnap their enemies and torture them in secrecy, they weren't dealing with COVID so I don't really expect "force" in the literal sense like you do.

Do you expect people to lose their jobs, scholarship, career? Isn't that too much to ask?

For you, Djokovic wasn't forced, for me, he was because the cost they threw at him was enormous.

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Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 8/31/25 11:26 AM, *skriptis wrote:> jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrot=

e in message:r>> *skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:>> Jdeluise, sla= very is abolished, serfdom is abolished.>> When people says "forced", in th=
is current year, and if it > pertains free citizens, not prisoners, they us= ually refer to > being coerced or blackmailed or pushed to do something.>> =
No need for linguistic jerking.There are still plenty of ways to be forcefu= lly arrested for non-compliance in 2025. At the local level, people were a= rrested for not complying with COVID "safety standards" (which I think is w= rong except in the most egregious cases, to be clear!). But I never heard =
of someone being arrested for not getting the vax.As Pete himself clarified=
, his son wasn't even "coerced" three times. He happily took the vax 2/3 o=
f the time.Why can't you guys just speak plainly about the topic without al=
l the hyperbole? I think it's because without the hyperbole you'd sound li=
ke a bunch of whiny, entitled karens looking for special carveouts for your= self.> > > > I was never vaxxed, never thought about it, it never touched m=
e for one second, it's a non issue for me.That's a good thing, and I'm glad=
for you.I was vaxxed three times and got it twice. After second time I qui=
t even testing, and I suspect that I may have gotten it as much as twice mo= re.But an important point was that when I tested and found that I had it, I=
was not sick enough to concern myself much; I tested because someone else =
in the household tested, and we had a lot of tests so I had them on hand to=
use.Really, if I had never heard of COVID, I would have thought I had a co= ld--and not a particularly bad one.I got curious earlier this AM and looked=
at the reported stats on Wikipedia. Superficially nothing jumps out withou=
t more info.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_by_country_and_= territory#Statistics> > However, I know many were coerced or blackmailed an=
d they had to pay a huge price for it, which I then consider forceful.> > I= t's not a hyperbole for me, as I said, Gestapo doesn't exist and the other = similar agency, CIA or Mossad, they only kidnap their enemies and torture t= hem in secrecy, they weren't dealing with COVID so I don't really expect "f= orce" in the literal sense like you do.> > Do you expect people to lose the=
ir jobs, scholarship, career? Isn't that too much to ask?> > For you, Djoko= vic wasn't forced, for me, he was because the cost they threw at him was en= ormous.> > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



I had COVID in late 2020, officially, and I felt extremely well, in the sen=
se that it's one the flu like illnesses that troubled me the least.

No nausea, no vomitting, no stomach pain, no diarrhea, just headache and lo=
ss of sense of smell. I bizarrely ate onions for testing. Had good appetite=
which is unusual for illness. Muscles and back pain was quite present, a l= ot.


The scary part actually, it did feel strange on my lungs, upper respiratory=
actually, I felt it, my breathing was noisy, or perhaps I just imagined it=
knowing it's COVID.

And I did have fever 37=C2=B0C for at least two weeks, not counting first c= ouple of days when it was even 38 or 39, one to three days it lasted. It is=
true that the virus isn't bothered by fever. The bat theory seems true. Ba=
ts have very high temperature so this virus won't go away after your body h= eats it up.

My body just gave up on high fever it seems, but it stayed inflamed on low = high fever.


I started antibiotics after 7th day of fever to prevent bacterial infection=
due to prolonged viral infection. I felt mucus build-up in my throat and g= oing down to lungs after couple of days of fever so this was precaution to = avoid complications.

That's it.

So virus was there alone and I won. It was over 14 nights, but as much as i=
t was a long fight, it was a routine win for me.



Second time I'm quite sure I had it cca 6 months later, spring 2021, same s= ymptoms just milder overall. Wasn't even in bed, but was extremely tired fo=
r 10 days.



So Djokovic, who had it in summer 2020 when he organized the Adria tour, su= rely had it in also in late 2021 as he claimed. The enough time passed for = second infection. So he was healthy and safe in early 2022 without a vaxx.




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