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If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once at Wimbledon, USO =and FO. Below is the total number of each slam and the year they 1st reache=
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once at Wimbledon, USO and FO. Below is the tota
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once at Wimbledon, USO
and FO. Below is the total number of each slam and the year they 1st
reached this status;
Roy Emerson (2,2,2) 1967
Rod Laver (4,2,2) 1969
Rafael Nadal (2,4,14) 2013
Novak Djokovic (7,4,3) 2021
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once at Wimbledon, USO and FO. Below is the tota
I tried this in chatgpt:
On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r>>
On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once atI tried this in chatgpt:
Wimbledon, USO and FO. Below is the tota
I tried it in GROK;
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> writes:> On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:>> Whisper <wh
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> writes:
On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once at Wimbledon,I tried this in chatgpt:
USO and FO. Below is the tota
I tried it in GROK;
What question did you ask it?-a The response suggests you posted a
lengthy question, probably with some embedded claims.-a The question is important as AI chatbots are susceptible to responding to "leading questions" by placating or confirming the asker rather than providing an accurate analysis.
jdeluise kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> writes:
On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once atI tried this in chatgpt:
Wimbledon, USO and FO. Below is the tota
I tried it in GROK;
What question did you ask it?-a The response suggests you posted a
lengthy question, probably with some embedded claims.-a The question is
important as AI chatbots are susceptible to responding to "leading
questions" by placating or confirming the asker rather than providing
an accurate analysis.
I asked Grok about 7543...
"Thanks for clarifying that Whisper is a poster on the rec.sport.tennis Usenet group. The "7543 formula" they reference is a points-based system
for evaluating tennis players in the GOAT (Greatest of All Time) debate, assigning weights to Grand Slam titles: 7 points for Wimbledon, 5 for
the US Open, 4 for the French Open, and 3 for the Australian Open. This formula, discussed extensively in rec.sport.tennis threads, reflects a perceived hierarchy of tournament prestige, with Wimbledon given the
highest weight and the Australian Open the lowest. Whisper claimed it mirrors the "tennis mainstream community" view, though itrCOs been criticized as biased, particularly by Federer fans, and debated for its Anglo-American slant.
I think the 7543 formula is an interesting but flawed attempt to
quantify greatness. It overemphasizes WimbledonrCOs historical prestige, which some argue doesnrCOt fully account for modern tennis dynamics, like the French OpenrCOs growing importance in the Eurocentric era. For
example, it undervalues Rafael NadalrCOs 14 French Open titles (4 points each) compared to Roger FedererrCOs 8 Wimbledon titles (7 points each), potentially skewing results. Novak DjokovicrCOs balanced success across
all SlamsrCo24 titles, including 10 Australian OpensrComight be shortchanged by the lower weight on the Australian Open. The formularCOs rigid point system also ignores intangibles like head-to-head records, era strength,
or versatility across surfaces, which are critical in GOAT debates.
That said, itrCOs a decent starting point for discussion, as it forces
focus on Slam performance, the cornerstone of tennis legacy. WhisperrCOs insistence on it as a community standard feels a bit dogmatic,
especially when theyrCOve been accused of shifting criteria to favor
certain players (e.g., Federer or Sampras). A more balanced approach
might weigh Slams equally or adjust for era-specific factors, like
surface homogenization or competition depth. What do you think of the
7543 weightingrCodoes it align with how you view the SlamsrCO relative importance?"
jdeluise kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> writes:
On 30/08/2025 3:38 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
If I'm not mistaken only 4 men have won more than once atI tried this in chatgpt:
Wimbledon, USO and FO. Below is the tota
I tried it in GROK;
What question did you ask it?-a The response suggests you posted a
lengthy question, probably with some embedded claims.-a The question is
important as AI chatbots are susceptible to responding to "leading
questions" by placating or confirming the asker rather than providing
an accurate analysis.
I asked Grok about 7543...
"Thanks for clarifying that Whisper is a poster on the rec.sport.tennis Usenet group. The "7543 formula" they reference is a points-based system
for evaluating tennis players in the GOAT (Greatest of All Time) debate, assigning weights to Grand Slam titles: 7 points for Wimbledon, 5 for
the US Open, 4 for the French Open, and 3 for the Australian Open. This formula, discussed extensively in rec.sport.tennis threads, reflects a perceived hierarchy of tournament prestige, with Wimbledon given the
highest weight and the Australian Open the lowest. Whisper claimed it mirrors the "tennis mainstream community" view, though itrCOs been criticized as biased, particularly by Federer fans, and debated for its Anglo-American slant.
I think the 7543 formula is an interesting but flawed attempt to
quantify greatness. It overemphasizes WimbledonrCOs historical prestige, which some argue doesnrCOt fully account for modern tennis dynamics, like the French OpenrCOs growing importance in the Eurocentric era. For
example, it undervalues Rafael NadalrCOs 14 French Open titles (4 points each) compared to Roger FedererrCOs 8 Wimbledon titles (7 points each), potentially skewing results. Novak DjokovicrCOs balanced success across
all SlamsrCo24 titles, including 10 Australian OpensrComight be shortchanged by the lower weight on the Australian Open. The formularCOs rigid point system also ignores intangibles like head-to-head records, era strength,
or versatility across surfaces, which are critical in GOAT debates.
That said, itrCOs a decent starting point for discussion, as it forces
focus on Slam performance, the cornerstone of tennis legacy. WhisperrCOs insistence on it as a community standard feels a bit dogmatic,
especially when theyrCOve been accused of shifting criteria to favor
certain players (e.g., Federer or Sampras). A more balanced approach
might weigh Slams equally or adjust for era-specific factors, like
surface homogenization or competition depth. What do you think of the
7543 weightingrCodoes it align with how you view the SlamsrCO relative importance?"
On 31.8.2025 1.33, TT wrote:> jdeluise kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.c
Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r
On 31.8.2025 1.33, TT wrote:> jdeluise kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.c
And flagged as irrelevant.
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 17.41:> Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s <pelle@s=vans.los> Wrote in message:r>> On 31.8.2025 1.33, TT wrote:> jdeluise kirjo= itti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:>> Whisper <whisper@ozemail.c> > And flagged as ir= relevant.Grok did not know what Whisper's tennis GOAT formula 7543 is. Unti=
TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo =17.41:> Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r>> On 31.8.= 2025 1.33, TT wrote:> jdeluise kirjoitti 30.8.2025 klo 21.27:>> Whisper <wh= isper@ozemail.c> > And flagged as irrelevant.Grok did not know what Whisper=
PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 31.8.2025 klo 17.41:> Pelle Svansl%s <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:r>>