• Official rst US Open 2025 predictions (starts SUNDAY)

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Jankowski?=@michalj@fuw.edu.pl to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Aug 22 21:44:11 2025
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    The draws are out. Same rules as always, post your picks here (winner/finalist).

    https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_WS_draw.pdf https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_MS_draw.pdf


    Entries must be posted before the first ball is struck in New York on
    Sunday.

    MJ
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@pelle@svans.los to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Aug 24 10:15:53 2025
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    On 22.8.2025 22.44, Micha+e Jankowski wrote:
    The draws are out. Same rules as always, post your picks here (winner/finalist).

    https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_WS_draw.pdf https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_MS_draw.pdf


    Entries must be posted before the first ball is struck in New York on
    Sunday.

    -a MJ

    I predict

    Sinner d Alcatraz
    Swiatek d Rybakina.
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  • From Whisper@whisper@ozemail.com.au to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Aug 24 19:31:09 2025
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    Alcaraz d Sinner

    Sabalenka d Shnaider
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    Micha=C5=82 Jankowski <michalj@fuw.edu.pl> Wrote in message:r
    The draws are out. Same rules as always, post your picks here(winner/fina=
    list).https://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_WS_draw.pdfhttps://www= .usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2025_MS_draw.pdfEntries must be posted befor=
    e the first ball is struck in New York onSunday. MJ



    Djokovic d. de Minaur
    Sabalenka d. Gauff


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    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    Alcaraz d SinnerSabalenka d Shnaider



    Excellent pick, Schnaidar is underappreciated.
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  • From TT@TT@dprk.kp to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Aug 24 23:04:37 2025
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    jdeluise kirjoitti 24.8.2025 klo 2.22:
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> writes:

    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> Wrote in message:r
    On 8/23/2025 8:55 AM, Pelle Svansl||s wrote:> WHAT DO YOU know about
    Hamas?> > That itrCOs sworn to d

    Some people didn't have sex since WWII,-a can this change now? I don't
    believe so but using Nukes can happen at any moment
    But I am more impressed that the military finally got rid of using
    floppy disks

    https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/10/17/the-us-nuclear-forces-dr-
    strangelove-era-messaging-system-finally-got-rid-of-its-floppy-disks/

    Only under the resolute desk now.-a Oh wait, you said DISKS!

    Hahaha

    But jesus, Trump has made oval office just as tasteless as his own
    apartment, if not even more. Floppy, or tiny as his hands.
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  • From TT@TT@dprk.kp to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Aug 24 23:05:43 2025
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    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that nukes have not been used since WWII,
    considering how many nations that now have them or could quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which have had them for quite a while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?

    I take it to mean that Scall means that it's ironic that anyone who has access to nukes has not used them against Hamas, just to settle the
    issue once and for all.

    "There. We'll never hear any more about *those* fuckers...".

    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.
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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Sun Aug 24 15:43:27 2025
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    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how. Besides the ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the region. It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals. Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.
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  • From TT@TT@dprk.kp to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Aug 25 11:50:57 2025
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    jdeluise kirjoitti 25.8.2025 klo 2.43:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that nukes have not been used since WWII,
    considering how many nations that now have them or could quickly make >>>>> a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which have had them for quite a while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall means that it's ironic that anyone who
    has access to nukes has not used them against Hamas, just to settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how.-a Besides the ethical and humanitarian aspect of it
    (which you obviously don't care about anyway), it's bad for the health, safety and stability of the region.-a It would very likely encourage
    nuclear reprisals.-a Likely in the form of terrorist attacks.

    Spoilsport
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  • From Whisper@whisper@ozemail.com.au to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Aug 25 20:17:11 2025
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    On 25/08/2025 12:47 am, *skriptis wrote:
    Whisper <whisper@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
    Alcaraz d SinnerSabalenka d Shnaider



    Excellent pick, Schnaidar is underappreciated.




    She's bound to come through in a slam soon, reckon she wins 1 within
    next 2 years.
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  • From PeteWasLucky@waleed.khedr@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Mon Aug 25 22:15:02 2025
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    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Micha→ Jankowski <michalj@fuw.edu.pl> Wrote in message:r> The draws are out. Same rules as always,

    Alcaraz is so pissed that he shaved his hair and looks like a
    fugitive →
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  • From TT@TT@dprk.kp to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Aug 26 19:59:33 2025
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    PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 26.8.2025 klo 5.15:
    PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
    Micha Jankowski <michalj@fuw.edu.pl> Wrote in message:r> The draws are out. Same rules as always,

    Alcaraz is so pissed that he shaved his hair and looks like a
    fugitive 

    :)))))
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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Aug 26 23:01:07 2025
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    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote: >TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how. Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region. It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or Hamas. Both have been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted in 1948, when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked the Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.
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  • From Scall5@nospam@home.net to rec.sport.tennis on Tue Aug 26 21:23:18 2025
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    On 8/26/2025 6:01 PM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how. Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region. It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or Hamas. Both have been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted in 1948, when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked the Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.

    Probably sums it up quite nicely.
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    Scall5
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Pelle_Svansl=C3=B6s?=@pelle@svans.los to rec.sport.tennis on Wed Aug 27 14:40:37 2025
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    On 27.8.2025 5.23, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 6:01 PM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise-a <jdeluise@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how.-a Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region.-a It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or Hamas. Both have
    been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted in 1948,
    when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked the
    Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.

    There are refugee camps all over the place since 1948. BUt Gaza became a
    camp after the 1967 war. Under Israel control. The people in those camps
    are poeple that lived in Gaza and the West Bank before the 1967 war.

    Not sure what Egypt admitting or not admitting refugees has to do with
    Gaza let alone Hamas.

    If you're in for for the infinitesimals, you COULD say that the
    neighbouring countries have not been part of a solution. For them,
    hunnreds of thousands of refugees has been a burden. And at the same
    time a useful political wedge to be applied when appropriate. In fact,
    one of the reasons, I guess, for the Hamas attack is that the
    Palestinians were losing that position.

    But this part of the total blame is wildly disproportionate to its
    complement. In no way does it excuse what Israel has been doing in the
    past or is doing now. Israel has never intended to let go of the
    territories it seized in 1967. It has never intended to make the people
    that live there fully fledged citizens either. Or any kind of citizens.
    They would become a majority in Israel. There basically is only one
    solution to the quandary. To paraphrase Netenyahu: "What started with
    the Hamas attack, is a historical window of opportunity".

    It's not about Hamas. Kushner talked about the amusement park before any attacks.

    Probably sums it up quite nicely.

    Definitely not. I'm not a reader of minds but I suspect bmoore didn't
    mean to sum anything up. Just to offer another perspective. Which is
    cool enough.
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  • From bmoore@bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) to rec.sport.tennis on Wed Aug 27 23:58:02 2025
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    In article <108mqrm$lc97$1@dont-email.me>,
    Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 27.8.2025 5.23, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 6:01 PM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise-a <jdeluise@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how.-a Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region.-a It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or Hamas. Both have
    been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted in 1948,
    when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked the
    Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.

    There are refugee camps all over the place since 1948. BUt Gaza became a >camp after the 1967 war. Under Israel control. The people in those camps
    are poeple that lived in Gaza and the West Bank before the 1967 war.

    Not sure what Egypt admitting or not admitting refugees has to do with
    Gaza let alone Hamas.

    If you're in for for the infinitesimals, you COULD say that the
    neighbouring countries have not been part of a solution. For them,
    hunnreds of thousands of refugees has been a burden. And at the same
    time a useful political wedge to be applied when appropriate. In fact,
    one of the reasons, I guess, for the Hamas attack is that the
    Palestinians were losing that position.

    But this part of the total blame is wildly disproportionate to its >complement. In no way does it excuse what Israel has been doing in the
    past or is doing now. Israel has never intended to let go of the
    territories it seized in 1967. It has never intended to make the people
    that live there fully fledged citizens either. Or any kind of citizens.
    They would become a majority in Israel. There basically is only one
    solution to the quandary. To paraphrase Netenyahu: "What started with
    the Hamas attack, is a historical window of opportunity".

    It's not about Hamas. Kushner talked about the amusement park before any >attacks.

    Probably sums it up quite nicely.

    Definitely not. I'm not a reader of minds but I suspect bmoore didn't
    mean to sum anything up. Just to offer another perspective. Which is
    cool enough.

    I mention Egypt not to blame them for everything, but in 1948, Egypt controlled Gaza. When they forced so many Palestians
    to live in tiny Gaza, that created tension. Later, Israel added to the tension by forcing even more Pelestians to live
    there. Why did the Palestians get pissed off at Israel but not so much Egypt?


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  • From jdeluise@jdeluise@gmail.com to rec.sport.tennis on Thu Aug 28 11:19:57 2025
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    bmoore@nyx.net (bmoore) writes:

    In article <108mqrm$lc97$1@dont-email.me>,
    Pelle Svansl|a-|s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 27.8.2025 5.23, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 6:01 PM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise|e-a
    <jdeluise@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.|e-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how.|e-a Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region.|e-a It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or
    Hamas. Both have
    been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted
    in 1948,
    when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked
    the
    Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.

    There are refugee camps all over the place since 1948. BUt Gaza
    became a
    camp after the 1967 war. Under Israel control. The people in
    those camps
    are poeple that lived in Gaza and the West Bank before the 1967
    war.

    Not sure what Egypt admitting or not admitting refugees has to
    do with
    Gaza let alone Hamas.

    If you're in for for the infinitesimals, you COULD say that the >>neighbouring countries have not been part of a solution. For
    them,
    hunnreds of thousands of refugees has been a burden. And at the
    same
    time a useful political wedge to be applied when appropriate. In
    fact,
    one of the reasons, I guess, for the Hamas attack is that the
    Palestinians were losing that position.

    But this part of the total blame is wildly disproportionate to
    its
    complement. In no way does it excuse what Israel has been doing
    in the
    past or is doing now. Israel has never intended to let go of the >>territories it seized in 1967. It has never intended to make the
    people
    that live there fully fledged citizens either. Or any kind of
    citizens.
    They would become a majority in Israel. There basically is only
    one
    solution to the quandary. To paraphrase Netenyahu: "What started
    with
    the Hamas attack, is a historical window of opportunity".

    It's not about Hamas. Kushner talked about the amusement park
    before any
    attacks.

    Probably sums it up quite nicely.

    Definitely not. I'm not a reader of minds but I suspect bmoore
    didn't
    mean to sum anything up. Just to offer another
    perspective. Which is
    cool enough.

    I mention Egypt not to blame them for everything, but in 1948,
    Egypt controlled Gaza. When they forced so many Palestians
    to live in tiny Gaza, that created tension. Later, Israel added
    to the tension by forcing even more Pelestians to live
    there. Why did the Palestians get pissed off at Israel but not
    so much Egypt?

    I wonder why nobody questions how Israel failed to prevent or
    contain the October "surprise" at one of the most fortified and
    heavily guarded walls in the world? Israel can manipulate supply
    chains to plant covert bombs in beepers and walkie-talkies in
    Lebanon, they have access to the most sophisticated drones and
    electronic surveillance... yet they didn't know about, couldn't
    prevent, nor could effectively respond to a few thousand militants
    crossing the "iron wall"?!

    In any case, good context but I highly doubt anyone alive today is
    going to be shaking their fist in anger about what happened in
    1948... lot of things have happened since then.
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  • From TT@TT@dprk.kp to rec.sport.tennis on Fri Aug 29 01:22:56 2025
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    bmoore kirjoitti 28.8.2025 klo 2.58:
    In article <108mqrm$lc97$1@dont-email.me>,
    Pelle Svansl||s <pelle@svans.los> wrote:
    On 27.8.2025 5.23, Scall5 wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 6:01 PM, bmoore wrote:
    In article <87bjo4xp40.fsf@gmail.com>, jdeluise-a <jdeluise@gmail.com> >>>> wrote:
    TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:

    Sawfish kirjoitti 23.8.2025 klo 22.21:
    On 8/23/25 9:54 AM, jdeluise wrote:
    Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:



    I honestly am impressed that
    nukes have not been used since
    WWII,
    considering how many nations
    that now have them or could
    quickly make
    a few low end ones.

    Well, only 9.-a Most of which
    have had them for quite a
    while. What
    does this have to do with Hamas?
    I take it to mean that Scall
    means that it's ironic that anyone
    who
    has access to nukes has not used
    them against Hamas, just to
    settle
    the issue once and for all.
    "There. We'll never hear any
    more about *those* fuckers...".
    Am I right, or am I right? :^)


    A great idea regardless.

    I don't see how.-a Besides the
    ethical and humanitarian aspect of
    it (which you obviously don't care
    about anyway), it's bad for the
    health, safety and stability of the
    region.-a It would very likely
    encourage nuclear reprisals.
    Likely in the form of terrorist
    attacks.


    Gaza is a shitshow. Everybody blames either Israel or Hamas. Both have >>>> been a-holes. But few seem to know that the problem is roted in 1948,
    when Egypt and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel won and kicked the
    Palestians out. Jordan accepted refugees. Egypt didn't.

    There are refugee camps all over the place since 1948. BUt Gaza became a
    camp after the 1967 war. Under Israel control. The people in those camps
    are poeple that lived in Gaza and the West Bank before the 1967 war.

    Not sure what Egypt admitting or not admitting refugees has to do with
    Gaza let alone Hamas.

    If you're in for for the infinitesimals, you COULD say that the
    neighbouring countries have not been part of a solution. For them,
    hunnreds of thousands of refugees has been a burden. And at the same
    time a useful political wedge to be applied when appropriate. In fact,
    one of the reasons, I guess, for the Hamas attack is that the
    Palestinians were losing that position.

    But this part of the total blame is wildly disproportionate to its
    complement. In no way does it excuse what Israel has been doing in the
    past or is doing now. Israel has never intended to let go of the
    territories it seized in 1967. It has never intended to make the people
    that live there fully fledged citizens either. Or any kind of citizens.
    They would become a majority in Israel. There basically is only one
    solution to the quandary. To paraphrase Netenyahu: "What started with
    the Hamas attack, is a historical window of opportunity".

    It's not about Hamas. Kushner talked about the amusement park before any
    attacks.

    Probably sums it up quite nicely.

    Definitely not. I'm not a reader of minds but I suspect bmoore didn't
    mean to sum anything up. Just to offer another perspective. Which is
    cool enough.

    I mention Egypt not to blame them for everything, but in 1948, Egypt controlled Gaza. When they forced so many Palestians
    to live in tiny Gaza, that created tension. Later, Israel added to the tension by forcing even more Pelestians to live
    there. Why did the Palestians get pissed off at Israel but not so much Egypt?



    Grok says that the population in Gaza was 250k in 1949, that's not
    especially much for the area. But now it is over 2 million, increased
    mainly by procreating.

    Sounds to me that some thinning by Israel is in place.
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