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*skriptis wrote:

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250811-the-russian-past-of-alaska-where-trump-and-putin-will-meet

Quite an interesting article. It says the Russians over exploited the
seal and sea otter populations causing them to crash along with the
hunting expeditions as well. Then they sold it to the Americans.
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Lane the Caustic <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis wrote:> https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250811-the-russian-past-of-alaska-where-trump-and-putin-will-meet> Quite an interesting article. It says the Russians over exploited the seal and sea otter populations causing them to crash along with the hunting expeditions as well. Then they sold it to the Americans.-- n

I don't know, I wasn't there.

But I doubt you could do that at such a vast area in late 18th and 19th century with no or little technology? And remote as well.

I'd say the real truth is they lost profit, had to travel more or work more to achieve the same results so it collapsed.


What I find interesting is that Russians "sold" Alaska even though they had no right to do it.

I am not talking about them seizing it in the first place, that was a standard conquest, I'm talking about the fact they "sold" the entire territory yet they didn't even visit all of it, let alone established firm presence all over it.

It's like USA selling the Moon to someone in 1970s...

It's funny because as I understand some natives oppose the purchase claiming they're independent whole time, that Russia never seized them so had no right to sell them and USA bought only that which Russia controlled?

Of course that's nitpicking, even if they weren't sold by Russia, in the end they got occupied by USA and later annexed so the end result is the same.




The purchase is now considered a huge success for America, due to gold and oil, and even without those, land is always land. And in case of Alaska it's strategically important for airplanes and so on.

But it benefitted Russia immensely as well, they used money to modernize, to build Trans Siberian railway, solidifying their rule over that part of Eurasia.

Doing it 10, or 20 or 30 years later might have been too late.

So in essence it's a symbol of Russian and American cooperation and strategic alignment.


That's the symbolism of the meeting.
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On 12.8.2025 16.01, *skriptis wrote:

Lane the Caustic <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis wrote:> https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250811-the-russian-past-of-alaska-where-trump-and-putin-will-meet> Quite an interesting article. It says the Russians over exploited the seal and sea otter populations causing them to crash along with the hunting expeditions as well. Then they sold it to the Americans.-- n

I don't know, I wasn't there.

But I doubt you could do that at such a vast area in late 18th and 19th century with no or little technology? And remote as well.

I'd say the real truth is they lost profit, had to travel more or work more to achieve the same results so it collapsed.

What I find interesting is that Russians "sold" Alaska even though they had no right to do it.

I am not talking about them seizing it in the first place, that was a standard conquest, I'm talking about the fact they "sold" the entire territory yet they didn't even visit all of it, let alone established firm presence all over it.

Nothing much has changed. Russia now wants all of Donesk in the peace
talks even though they haven't visited it all.

How the Russian mind works is a mystery.
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Pelle Svansl=C3=B6s <pelle@svans.los> Wrote in message:

Nothing much has changed. Russia now wants all of Donesk in the peace tal=

ks even though they haven't visited it all.How the Russian mind works is a = mystery.


It's only a mystery for those who don't respect Russia. Who think Russia sh= ould not be at the table.

It's very similar to Djokovic case.

Guy received no respect, he was mocked, his healthy ambition to win, procla= imed as illegitimate.

You had to be bitch slapped with 24 slams.

Was it such a problem to listen and respect him when he had 5?




https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/08/biden-didnt-accept-putins-red-line-on-ukrai= ne-what-it-means.html





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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:

Lane the Caustic <wichitajayhawks@msn.com> Wrote in message:r

*skriptis wrote:>
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250811-the-russian-past-of-alaska-where-trump-and-putin-will-meet>
Quite an interesting article. It says the Russians over
exploited the seal and sea otter populations causing them to
crash along with the hunting expeditions as well. Then they
sold it to the Americans.-- n

I don't know, I wasn't there.

But I doubt you could do that at such a vast area in late 18th
and 19th century with no or little technology? And remote as
well.

I'd say the real truth is they lost profit, had to travel more
or work more to achieve the same results so it collapsed.

What I find interesting is that Russians "sold" Alaska even
though they had no right to do it.

I am not talking about them seizing it in the first place, that
was a standard conquest, I'm talking about the fact they "sold"
the entire territory yet they didn't even visit all of it, let
alone established firm presence all over it.

It's like USA selling the Moon to someone in 1970s...

It's funny because as I understand some natives oppose the
purchase claiming they're independent whole time, that Russia
never seized them so had no right to sell them and USA bought
only that which Russia controlled?

Of course that's nitpicking, even if they weren't sold by
Russia, in the end they got occupied by USA and later annexed so
the end result is the same.

The purchase is now considered a huge success for America, due
to gold and oil, and even without those, land is always
land. And in case of Alaska it's strategically important for
airplanes and so on.

But it benefitted Russia immensely as well, they used money to
modernize, to build Trans Siberian railway, solidifying their
rule over that part of Eurasia.

Doing it 10, or 20 or 30 years later might have been too late.

So in essence it's a symbol of Russian and American cooperation
and strategic alignment.

That's the symbolism of the meeting.

I'm not sure I like the symbolism. Russia has been talking about
reclaiming Alaska for decades, then Trump decides to meet Putin
here. And today claims not once but twice that he's "going to
Russia"?!

:)
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jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

I'm not sure I like the symbolism. Russia has been talking about reclaiming Alaska for decades, then Trump decides to meet Putin here. And today claims not once but twice that he's "going to Russia"?!:)

Perhaps it's already done?

https://tinyurl.com/54t729ae
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