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Mark wrote:
It's not been working properly the last 2 or 3 days. OK, the
person running it has died, but that doesn't mean I've got to
put up with the inconvenience of having to use a newsreader
all the time, does it?
Personally, I'm surprised you prefer the inconvenience of
using a web site rather than a newsreader to access Usenet.
I think a newsreader is way easier... always open, always
logged in.
The fact that the administrator of NovaBBS has died probably
means any issues or bugs won't get fixed unless somebody
else takes over the running of it.
On 27/06/2025 15:07, Blueshirt wrote:
The fact that the administrator of NovaBBS has died
probably means any issues or bugs won't get fixed
unless somebody else takes over the running of it.
Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working
search function which was the best thing about the old
NovaBBS (and Google Groups). But apparently they're working
on it.
Werner Pichler wrote:
On 27/06/2025 15:07, Blueshirt wrote:
The fact that the administrator of NovaBBS has died
probably means any issues or bugs won't get fixed
unless somebody else takes over the running of it.
Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)
Mark will be happy.
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working
search function which was the best thing about the old
NovaBBS (and Google Groups). But apparently they're working
on it.
That's pretty much the only reason to have an online Usenet
archive... so you can search for [really] old posts.
On 09/10/2025 09:20, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working
search function which was the best thing about the old
NovaBBS (and Google Groups). But apparently they're working
on it.
That's pretty much the only reason to have an online Usenet
archive... so you can search for [really] old posts.
I'd like to search for newer posts, too.
E.g. when I was looking for this thread.
Werner Pichler wrote:
On 09/10/2025 09:20, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working
search function which was the best thing about the old
NovaBBS (and Google Groups). But apparently they're working
on it.
That's pretty much the only reason to have an online Usenet
archive... so you can search for [really] old posts.
I'd like to search for newer posts, too.
E.g. when I was looking for this thread.
Newsreaders have search functions too.
Do you delete/purge
messages once you've read them in your newsreader? RSS isn't
exactly overflowing with new messages these days... it shouldn't
be that hard to find the newer messages. Of course it's all
relative I suppose... the last five years in terms of posts on rec.sport.soccer could be considered "newer"!
On 09/10/2025 18:56, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
I'd like to search for newer posts, too.
E.g. when I was looking for this thread.
Newsreaders have search functions too.
The ones I use (Thunderbird and NewsTap) don't.
The search window in Thunderbird only searches within messages
that I have sent through Thunderbird myself, not in all RSS
messages.
The global search function only allows to search within
'Subject' and 'From'.
Or am I doing something wrong?
Werner Pichler wrote:
On 09/10/2025 18:56, Blueshirt wrote:
Werner Pichler wrote:
I'd like to search for newer posts, too.
E.g. when I was looking for this thread.
Newsreaders have search functions too.
The ones I use (Thunderbird and NewsTap) don't.
The search window in Thunderbird only searches within messages
that I have sent through Thunderbird myself, not in all RSS
messages.
The global search function only allows to search within
'Subject' and 'From'.
Or am I doing something wrong?
I dunno, as I haven't used TB in years... I found it too buggy.
If NovaBBS works for you, it's all good. If it ain't broke...
As long as people can access Usenet to keep the flame burning is
the main thing.
On 10/10/2025 17:42, Blueshirt wrote:
If NovaBBS works for you, it's all good. If it ain't
broke...
Well I'm not using NovaBBS or Pugleaf, I would just like to
have a search function. Can the newsreader you use (XanaNews,
I believe?) do that? If so, I might change.
Back when Google Groups shut down you wrote that the Usenet
community would be quick about filling that void (web-based
archives/search). Two years later, I don't see it.
As long as people can access Usenet to keep the flame
burning is the main thing.
Incidentally, I just learned that news.individual.net, the
news server of Freie Universit|nt Berlin that I used about 25
years ago when I first accessed Usenet is going to shut down
for good in two years time. The lights are going out one by
one.
Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working search
function which was the best thing about the old NovaBBS (and
Google Groups). But apparently they're working on it.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/rec.sport.soccer/threads
As for replacements for those that prefer to not use a
newsreader, the great white hope was NovaBBS... but the guy
running that (Retroguy) died. So whatever progress it was
making have obviously been curtailed... for now.
I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
of its Usenet archive.
On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:
I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
of its Usenet archive.
pugleaf.net and newsdeef.eu have articles starting somewhere
early '80s. All them spam still included.
https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/net.crypt
Give it a try. No ads. Zero cookie trackers.
Register freely with email @host.invalid and you can post.
blueworldhosting.com will offer the same coverage via NNTP
soon. We're in the process of transferring and merging
archives.
If anyone wants to setup a new server with INN/Diablo:
We can fill it via nntp-transfer tool from go-pugleaf.
All newsgroups and timeframes selectable from archives.
The latest nntp-transfer code in testing-002 branch is much
faster. Transfer and performance looks good but still dead
locks, rarely :D
On 10/8/25 16:41, Werner Pichler wrote:
Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working search
function which was the best thing about the old NovaBBS (and
Google Groups). But apparently they're working on it.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/rec.sport.soccer/threads
Not sure if search for content will ever be possible.
NovaBBS kept the last 2 years on the web and only ~650 newsgroups.
newsgroups were mostly limited to 10k articles max.
The "spool" was less than 10 GB and bloated by full text search.
The https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net
100.000 newsgroups, 1.469 billion articles total (1469589587 as of now).
The data (little less than 8 TB) is in sqlite3 databases per newsgroup.
A "global" search is impossible with this designrCa
Sending the same search request to every newsgroup does not scale well.
You'd sit quite a while opening 100k newsgroups, crawling 8TB of data...
and activating full text search bloats the DBs by an unknown factor.
Did not even try yet :D
Another problem: sql queries with %pattern% don't use indexes...
On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:
As for replacements for those that prefer to not use a
newsreader, the great white hope was NovaBBS... but the guy
running that (Retroguy) died. So whatever progress it was
making have obviously been curtailed... for now.
I've taken over the old rslight PHP code, tried to fix some things
and finally decided to drop it... way 2 many bugs and insecure
due to bad coding patterns littered throughout the codebase...
I've extracted valuable data from the servers before they died too.
Don't run the old php code online or your server will be hacked...
Little more than 3 months ago I started working on go-pugleaf.
A rewrite in Go, open source and available here: http://github.com/go-while/go-pugleaf
As you see on the web: Some thing is running.
Easy to host your own or use as local reader.
What you need is the release binary or ./build_ALL.sh from source.
run webserver first time with argument:
1. ./webserver -nntphostname my.domain.com
2. connect browser to http://localhost:11980
3. register admin and you'll figure it out :D
4. add newsgroups, enable a server and crons for pugleaf-fetcher**
** internal cron jobs are only available on testing-001 branch atm.
5. Ask any question here.
On 10/12/25 16:21, Blueshirt wrote:
I doubt anything will ever match Google Groups for the depth
of its Usenet archive.
pugleaf.net and newsdeef.eu have articles starting somewhere early '80s.
All them spam still included.
https://rocksolid-eu.pugleaf.net/groups/net.crypt
Give it a try. No ads. Zero cookie trackers.
Register freely with email @host.invalid and you can post.
blueworldhosting.com will offer the same coverage via NNTP soon.
We're in the process of transferring and merging archives.
If anyone wants to setup a new server with INN/Diablo:
We can fill it via nntp-transfer tool from go-pugleaf.
All newsgroups and timeframes selectable from archives.
The latest nntp-transfer code in testing-002 branch is much faster.
Transfer and performance looks good but still dead locks, rarely :D
+ crossposted to:
rocksolid.nodes.help
news.software.nntp
news.software.readers
On 27/06/2025 15:07, Blueshirt wrote:
Mark wrote:
It's not been working properly the last 2 or 3 days. OK, the
person running it has died, but that doesn't mean I've got to
put up with the inconvenience of having to use a newsreader
all the time, does it?
Personally, I'm surprised you prefer the inconvenience of
using a web site rather than a newsreader to access Usenet.
I think a newsreader is way easier... always open, always
logged in.
The fact that the administrator of NovaBBS has died probably
means any issues or bugs won't get fixed unless somebody
else takes over the running of it.
Pugleaf has taken over the Rocksolid legacy and should
be fully functional (haven't tried and logged in myself yet)
The only thing still missing, annoyingly, is a working search
function which was the best thing about the old NovaBBS (and
Google Groups). But apparently they're working on it.
https://rocksolid-us.pugleaf.net/groups/rec.sport.soccer/threads
Ciao,
Werner
Well I'm having a few problems with it so far. They insist
on really long passwords, and I have to type it in at least
once a day I think.
The current problem is that when I click on a thread I
keep getting "Gateway time out" most of the time. So
I haven't had anywhere near to a full rss-reading session
using it so far;
I keep having to go back to my newsreader instead.