• Re: The Staff game (AKA Crazy Tiny Players) - Choice #0359 [chechoice]

    From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Jul 5 04:08:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    What happened
    =============
    Situation before the match (squad, bank, table, results of matches
    before yours if any, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0358/index.html

    You agreed with Dan's suggestion about the XI to field.

    Video of the match:
    https://youtu.be/DbxjDq1eR98

    What happened (picked XI, match result, match stats, results of matches
    after yours if any, table, squad, bank, players on the market, results
    of matches before yours if any, your fixture, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0359/index.html

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    A. Aggie the Agnostic:
    3-4-3
    01
    02 05 03
    06
    07 04 11
    10 09 08
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 13 0 +15 +1.15
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    04 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73
    08 Vanhala A 250K 15 PTV FIN 60 17 +35 +0.58

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2
    01
    02 05 03
    04 06
    07 08 11
    10 09
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    05 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65
    06 Wiss CM DM 150K 11 PTC FIN 22 1 -07 -0.32 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    08 Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 J.Viljanen LW A 180K 13 CSF FIN 2 1 -02 -1.00
    09 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Fred the Frugal, and Ollie the Opponent):
    3-4-3
    01
    02 05 03
    06
    07 04 11
    10 09 08
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 13 0 +15 +1.15
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    04 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73
    08 Vanhala A 250K 15 PTV FIN 60 17 +35 +0.58

    N. Noah the Netter:
    3-5-2
    01
    02 05 03
    04 06
    07 08 11
    10 09
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 13 0 +15 +1.15
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    04 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    08 Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73

    P. Pat the Paranoid:
    3-4-3
    01
    02 05 03
    06
    07 04 11
    10 09 08
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    05 P.Viljanen CD 160K 12 HTP FIN 13 0 +14 +1.08
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    04 Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    11 Yeremenko LW 200K 14 SCH RUS 42 3 +26 +0.62 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Vanhala A 250K 15 PTV FIN 60 17 +35 +0.58
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73
    08 J.Viljanen LW A 180K 13 CSF FIN 2 1 -02 -1.00

    S. Scott the Scout:
    3-4-3
    01
    02 05 03
    06
    07 04 11
    10 09 08
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- --------------------------------------------------------------
    01 Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31 --------------------------------------------------------------
    02 Huhtamaki RB ? ? STP FIN 0 00 0.00
    05 Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 13 0 +15 +1.15
    03 Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55 --------------------------------------------------------------
    06 Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65 --------------------------------------------------------------
    07 Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    04 McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    11 Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35 --------------------------------------------------------------
    10 Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56
    09 Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73
    08 Vanhala A 250K 15 PTV FIN 60 17 +35 +0.58
    No Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+-

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    Useful info
    ===========

    How to read the screenshots
    ---------------------------

    Squad screen:
    - Head:
    - Red card = suspension; number on the card = number of matches the
    player is suspended for.
    - Bandaged head = the player has taken a knock.
    - Red cross = injury; number on the cross = number of matches the
    player will be out for.
    - Black cross = the player is out for the season
    - Skills:
    - P = Passing
    - V = shot Velocity from outside the penalty box
    - H = Heading
    - T = Tackling
    - C = ball Control
    - S = Speed
    - F = Finishing inside the penalty box
    - Price:
    - Trial = without contract (so their price is unknown [it's low in
    most but not all cases] and they could leave the team anytime; if you
    play them enough, they'll get a contract)

    Future market rounds to skip
    ----------------------------

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    Squad
    -----

    Player Ps B OPr Sm PVHTCSF Skl Nat M G +- Avg+- TPr
    Mazzantini G 450K 18 0000000 - ITA 32 0 +42 +1.31
    Huhtamaki RB ? ? STP FIN 0 00 0.00
    Suominen RB D,DM 160K 12 TSP FIN 70 0 +40 +0.57
    Eggen CD 450K 18 HTP NOR 13 0 +15 +1.15
    Snellman CD 100K 8 TFH FIN 10 0 +09 +0.90
    P.Viljanen CD 160K 12 HTP FIN 13 0 +14 +1.08
    Nygard LB D,DM 150K 11 TSP FIN 69 0 +38 +0.55
    Halonen RW AM 160K 12 SCP FIN 57 1 +47 +0.82
    McGinlay CM DM,D 450K 18 PTS SCO 34 2 +31 +0.91
    Puputti CM DM,D 250K 15 PTS FIN 46 0 +30 +0.65
    Sorvisto CM 180K 13 TPV FIN 49 7 +15 +0.31
    Wiss CM DM 150K 11 PTC FIN 22 1 -07 -0.32
    Tsymbalar LW AM 600K 21 CSP RUS 17 1 +23 +1.35
    J.Viljanen LW A 180K 13 CSF FIN 2 1 -02 -1.00
    Yeremenko LW 200K 14 SCH RUS 42 3 +26 +0.62 160K
    Adlane A 180K 13 FHP ALG 30 4 +11 +0.37
    Piirainen A A 300K 17 2232224 FHS FIN 39 14 +22 +0.56
    Tauriainen A 250K 15 0241215 FHV FIN 59 83 +43 +0.73
    Vanhala A 250K 15 PTV FIN 60 17 +35 +0.58

    Ps = Position
    B = positon according to Ben
    OPr = Original Price when joined the club
    Sm = Sum of skill points
    PVHTCSF: skill points
    Skl = 1st 2nd and 3rd best skill (see "How to read the screenshots")
    Nat = Nation
    M = Matches played
    G = Goals scored
    +- = goal difference when the player was on the field
    Avg+- = goal difference per matches played
    TPr = on Transfer market, you'll accept this minimum Price

    Season
    ------

    1998/99

    Prem Div = Finnish Premier Division: Apr-Oct, 12 teams, play each team
    x2, 3 points for a win, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5
    Cup = Finnish Cup: May-Jun, 3 rounds, 3 substitutes from a bench of 5, 8 teams; each round being 1 leg, extra time, penalties

    Schedule:
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0338/index.html

    Management record
    -----------------

    First stint

    Ssn Club Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl W D L F A Top scorer ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Once Lobos SAL 4 11 - - 22 5 8 9 9 17 Welter 5
    97/98 Once Lobos SAL 4 2 - - 22 11 4 7 13 9 Welter 9
    98/99 Once Lobos SAL 4 4 - - 22 10 3 9 15 14 Ruano,Welter 6
    99/00 Once Lobos SAL 4 12 - - 17 3 4 10 10 18 Ruano 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total 83 29 19 35 47 58

    Second stint

    Ssn Club Nat Lvl Pos Cup Int Pl W D L F A Top scorer ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    96/97 Haka FIN 1 11 QF - 17 4 6 7 12 14 Vaisanen 4
    97/98 Jaro FIN 1 5 QF R2 27 11 4 12 47 45 Tauriainen 29
    98/99 Jaro FIN 1 3 SF - 24 13 3 8 48 37 Tauriainen 30 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Total 68 28 13 27 107 96

    2011/12 will be the last season.

    Full history of choices
    -----------------------

    Courtesy of Futbolmetrix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jqi4vdpqckhqygo/TheStaffGame_History.xlsx?dl=0

    About the game
    --------------

    You can join the game at any time. Randomly picked vote chooses (picked
    when the next choice is set up, something that happens at least 71 hours (i.e., 3 days minus 1 hour) after the choice is posted).

    This is a career in Sensible World of Soccer 96/97, a videogame. Prices
    are in pound sterlings.

    Here are the only (as far as I know) variables in SWOS that matter to you:
    - Match: each player acts according to the team's formation [1], to his
    value in each skill [2], and to his natural position [3] (and to home advantage?). By default you know each player's 1st 2nd and 3rd best
    skills, and his price, that is correlated to the sum of the value of all
    his skills [4] (also, if you play a player in position his price could
    go up; if you don't play him, or play him off position, his price could
    go down; his skill values don't change, though).
    - Suspensions and injuries (if a player has taken a knock, his form is supposedly OK, but he's more likely to pick up a serious injury; the
    knock will heal if he'll get rest)
    - Bank:
    When Money in Money out
    Season begins Competition bonuses
    Sponsorship*
    Each week Gate receipts* General running costs**
    Wages**
    Player sales Player purchases
    * Proportional to results
    ** Proportional to players' prices
    You can buy and sell players all season long. Other teams always play
    with the same XI and don't exchange players with each other.
    [1] List of default formations:
    4-4-2 = 4-1-3-2
    5-4-1 = 5-1-3-1
    4-5-1 = 4-1-4-1
    5-3-2 = 3-2-3-2
    3-5-2 = 3-2-3-2
    4-3-3
    4-2-4 = 4-2-3-1
    3-4-3 = 3-1-3-3
    4-4-2s = S-3-1-3-1 (AKA sweep)
    5-2-3
    3-2-5 = 3-2-3-2 (AKA attack)
    6-3-1 = 6-2-1-1 (AKA defend)
    All with RB and LB, and (the only exception being "defend") RW and LW
    (as forwards if there are just 2 midfielders, otherwise as midfielders).
    [2] List of skills: ball control, finishing inside the penalty box,
    heading, passing, speed, tackling, shot velocity from outside the
    penalty box. A player's value in each of these skills can be 0 to 7. Goalkeepers only have a goalkeeping skill that can be 0 to 48; only goalkeepers have this skill.
    [3] List of positions: G, RB, D, LB, RW, M, LW, A.
    [4] Price = Sum of skill points:
    25K 1 (or 0) | 350K 17 | 1.80M 33
    30K 2 | 450K 18 | 1.90M 34
    40K 3 | 500K 19 | 2.00M 35
    50K 4 | 550K 20 | 2.25M 36
    65K 5 | 600K 21 | 2.75M 37
    75K 6 | 650K 22 | 3.00M 38
    85K 7 | 700K 23 | 3.50M 39
    100K 8 | 750K 24 | 4.50M 40
    110K 9 | 800K 25 | 5.00M 41
    130K 10 | 850K 26 | 6.00M 42
    150K 11 | 950K 27 | 7.00M 43
    160K 12 | 1.00M 28 | 8.00M 44
    180K 13 | 1.10M 29 | 9.00M 45
    200K 14 | 1.30M 30 | 10M 46
    250K 15 | 1.50M 31 | 12M 47
    300K 16 | 1.60M 32 | 15M 48 (or 49)

    Staff personalities
    -------------------

    A. Aggie the Agnostic: doesn't want to change anything
    [until the end of the 2000-01 season: last match's XI. starting from the 2001-02 season: retired]

    B. Ben the Basic: only looks at skills
    [XI based on: only players priced 30K or more,
    - S + T + (C or H or P) = defender
    - P + T + (C or S) = defensive midfielder
    - P + (any combination of C, S, V) = attacking midfielder
    - S + (F or V) + (C or H) = attacker
    - S + F + V = attacker
    ]

    D. Dan the Dazzled: only looks at prices
    [XI based on original price = playing a player priced 30K or more off
    position is better than playing a player priced less than 30K on
    position; <30K players are ranked in the following way 1) on trial > 2) formerly on trial but now 5-25K > 3) 25K.]

    F. Fred the Frugal: wants to save money
    [XI based on original price, but no player on trial]

    N. Noah the Netter: thinks that it's all a matter of scoring and not
    being scored against
    [two attackers, then XI based on original price]

    O. Ollie the Opponent: only looks at opponents
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but more than 2 attackers.
    Playing away against a higher-placed team? XI based on original price,
    but 5 defenders.
    2. Playing against 3 midfielders? XI based on original price, but 3-5-2. Playing against 3 defenders? XI based on original price, but 4-3-3.
    3. Playing against more than one speedy attacker? XI based on original
    price, but sweep.
    4. XI based on original price, but 4-4-2.]

    P. Pat the Paranoid: is scared of injuries and suspensions
    [Stop as soon as the criterium is matched:
    1. Playing home against a lower-placed team? 3-4-3 [starting from the
    2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then XI based on original price,
    but rest any knocked or booked player, and the three best players.
    2. 3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on original price, but no knocked or booked players.]

    S. Scott the Scout: tries to find new talents
    [XI based on original price, but one more unknown-value player]

    W. Will the Watcher: only looks at stats
    [3-4-3 [starting from the 2001-02 season: same formation as Dan], then
    XI based on Avg+- (players priced less than 30K only if positive score)]

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 6 08:44:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On 7/4/2025 10:08 PM, milivella wrote:

    Should be Choice #360, right?


    What happened
    =============
    Situation before the match (squad, bank, table, results of matches
    before yours if any, opponents' line-up): http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0358/index.html

    You agreed with Dan's suggestion about the XI to field.

    Video of the match:
    https://youtu.be/DbxjDq1eR98

    Didn't we just play Jaaskelainen's team? Or was he transferred? (That
    wouldn't be beyond the Evil Gamemaster, to make us face every week the strongest opposing goalkeeper). Anyway, a good result, despite Eggen's
    best efforts to make things entertaining. Better still, MYPA was held to
    a draw, so we now have a 7-point lead with 4 matches left. Come on, you
    Jaro!





    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    A. Aggie the Agnostic:
    3-4-3

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Fred the Frugal, and Ollie the Opponent):
    3-4-3

    N. Noah the Netter:
    3-5-2

    P. Pat the Paranoid:
    3-4-3

    S. Scott the Scout:
    3-4-3

    Aren't Aggie's and Dan's proposed lineups the same?

    Anyway:
    0.95 Dan/Aggie
    0.05 Scott



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  • From milivella@milivella@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 13 18:53:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    Futbolmetrix:

    On 7/4/2025 10:08 PM, milivella wrote:

    Should be Choice #360, right?

    I don't think so. The result of choice #358 was to go with Dan's XI
    against VPS. I posted the video of the match on June 1. Then I went into hibernation. Then I temporarily came out on July 5 to post the choice.
    Shame on me for the slowness, BUT NOT FOR THE ERROR IN COUNTING!

    What happened
    =============
    Situation before the match (squad, bank, table, results of matches
    before yours if any, opponents' line-up):
    http://rssclash.altervista.org/staff/0358/index.html

    You agreed with Dan's suggestion about the XI to field.

    Video of the match:
    https://youtu.be/DbxjDq1eR98

    Didn't we just play Jaaskelainen's team? Or was he transferred? (That wouldn't be beyond the Evil Gamemaster, to make us face every week the strongest opposing goalkeeper). Anyway, a good result, despite Eggen's
    best efforts to make things entertaining. Better still, MYPA was held to
    a draw, so we now have a 7-point lead with 4 matches left. Come on, you Jaro!

    It looks so much time has passed since the video that you think this was
    a new match and commented on it again. :D

    New choice
    ==========

    Who do you agree with?

    A. Aggie the Agnostic:
    3-4-3

    B. Ben the Basic:
    3-5-2

    D. Dan the Dazzled (and Fred the Frugal, and Ollie the Opponent):
    3-4-3

    N. Noah the Netter:
    3-5-2

    P. Pat the Paranoid:
    3-4-3

    S. Scott the Scout:
    3-4-3

    Aren't Aggie's and Dan's proposed lineups the same?

    Indeed they are. Great catch! You get the right to cast one vote next time.

    Anyway:
    0.95 Dan/Aggie
    0.05 Scott

    One day you'll get a potentially-20M youngster and you'll waste him...
    (or maybe it has already happened?!)
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