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A spin-off thread from the Worldwide top 9 that we compiled.

It got me wondering how Torino's team of the 1940s compared to other
Italian teams. I'd say they're probably 3rd behind AC Milan 1988-96 and
Inter 1963-66.

What do yous think?

Talking of which, what happened to the RSS-elected Worldwide list that
MH was going to organize? I'd do it myself, only xananews won't let me
see a whole thread rather than individual messages, so counting up the
votes etc would be difficult.
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On 2025-09-14 06:15, Mark wrote:

A spin-off thread from the Worldwide top 9 that we compiled.

It got me wondering how Torino's team of the 1940s compared to other
Italian teams. I'd say they're probably 3rd behind AC Milan 1988-96 and
Inter 1963-66.

What do yous think?

Surely Juventus in one of their many iterations deserves a mention.

Eg. 1994-95 to 1997-98\

Started with a league and cup double, followed by three consecutive appearances in the CL final (one win), and two more championships in
1997 and 1998

or the team that won nine scudetti in a row 2011-2020

Or the team of the early 70s (Champs 72, 73, 75, 77, 78)

Or maybe the early 80s might have the strongest case. After all they
made up the lion's share of Italy's world cup winning team of 1982, and
had some world class players in Zoff, Scirea, Tardelli, Platini,
Cabrini, and Boniek (and before that Brady) Champs in 81, 82, 84, 86.
Copa Italia 83. European cup in 1985, losing finalist in 83 (sorry
Daniele). Cup winners cup 1984. Super cup 1984. Intercontinental cup
1985, not that I attach any more importance to that than to the Super Cup.

Futbolmetrix can probably tell us which of the above was really the best
of the Juve teams. Or maybe it was an earlier version before our time.

Talking of which, what happened to the RSS-elected Worldwide list that
MH was going to organize?

Coming soon to a computer near you

I'd do it myself, only xananews won't let me

see a whole thread rather than individual messages, so counting up the
votes etc would be difficult.

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On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 13:48:01 -0700, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

On 2025-09-14 06:15, Mark wrote:

A spin-off thread from the Worldwide top 9 that we compiled.

It got me wondering how Torino's team of the 1940s compared to other
Italian teams. I'd say they're probably 3rd behind AC Milan 1988-96 and
Inter 1963-66.

What do yous think?

That you're trolling, even more than in the other thread.

Surely Juventus in one of their many iterations deserves a mention.

Doh...

Eg. 1994-95 to 1997-98\
Started with a league and cup double, followed by three consecutive >appearances in the CL final (one win), and two more championships in
1997 and 1998

or the team that won nine scudetti in a row 2011-2020

Or the team of the early 70s (Champs 72, 73, 75, 77, 78)

I think the possible Juve candidates are, in chronological order:

1931-1935: 5 consecutive scudetti and the core of the 1934 WC winning
team

1957-1961: 3 scudetti in 4 years, the Sivori, Charles and Boniperti
team.

1971-1975: 3 scudetti in 4 years, one EC1 final.

1976-1986: The Trapattoni team: 6 scudetti in 10 years, EC1, EC2, EC3, Intercontinental Cup, core of the 1978 and 1982 WC squads. It's
difficult to place the boundary between the 1970s and the 1980s team,
but the arrival of Trapattoni (and the departure of Capello and
Anastasi) makes 1976-1977 the natural breaking point.

1994-1998: The Lippi I era: 3 scudetti in 4 years, EC1+IC

2001-2006: The Lippi-Capello era: 4 scudetti in 5 years, one EC1
final, the core of the 2006 WC winning team

2011-2020: 9 consecutive scudetti, two EC1 finals


Inter 1963-1966 has the international titles, but can't match many of
the Juve sides for longevity and contributions to the national team.

As for the Grande Torino, one wonders whether they have been lionized
beyond their merits because of the tragic nature of their death and
because of the role they played in giving hope to a country coming out
of the ashes and destruction of WWII. The 0-4 home defeat of the
national team (with 10 out of 11 starters from Torino) to the fading
English masters is ... not great for their legacy.





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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 13:48:01 -0700, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

On 2025-09-14 06:15, Mark wrote:

A spin-off thread from the Worldwide top 9 that we compiled.

It got me wondering how Torino's team of the 1940s compared to

other >> Italian teams. I'd say they're probably 3rd behind AC Milan
1988-96 and >> Inter 1963-66.

What do yous think?

That you're trolling, even more than in the other thread.

Why?, because I didn't mention Juve? I'm glad you acknowledge that I
wasn't trolling in the other thread (if not mentioning Juve is why, I
can't be trolling more than just a tiny bit in this thread); people
should listen to you.

I think the possible Juve candidates are, in chronological order:

1931-1935: 5 consecutive scudetti and the core of the 1934 WC winning
team

1957-1961: 3 scudetti in 4 years, the Sivori, Charles and Boniperti
team.

1971-1975: 3 scudetti in 4 years, one EC1 final.

And World vice-champions in 1973. :-P

1976-1986: The Trapattoni team: 6 scudetti in 10 years, EC1, EC2, EC3, Intercontinental Cup, core of the 1978 and 1982 WC squads. It's
difficult to place the boundary between the 1970s and the 1980s team,
but the arrival of Trapattoni (and the departure of Capello and
Anastasi) makes 1976-1977 the natural breaking point.

1994-1998: The Lippi I era: 3 scudetti in 4 years, EC1+IC

2001-2006: The Lippi-Capello era: 4 scudetti in 5 years, one EC1
final, the core of the 2006 WC winning team

2011-2020: 9 consecutive scudetti, two EC1 finals

I think Juve's best team was probably the team of the early 1980s

Inter 1963-1966 has the international titles, but can't match many of
the Juve sides for longevity and contributions to the national team.

Why is longevity important? A team that wins, say, 3 European Cups and
3 domestic Championships in consecutive years is better than a team
that wins, say, 6 consecutive domestic Championships but never reaches
the final of the European Cup. Maybe some great teams just weren't
together for very long because they lost their best players to richer
clubs or whatever reason.

Talking of which, how long were Inter's team together? Assuming they
weren't actually together from 1960-68 and just won very little other
than between 1963 and 1966 or something, I think Inter were better
because of the international titles.

As for the Grande Torino, one wonders whether they have been lionized
beyond their merits because of the tragic nature of their death and
because of the role they played in giving hope to a country coming out
of the ashes and destruction of WWII. The 0-4 home defeat of the
national team (with 10 out of 11 starters from Torino) to the fading
English masters is ... not great for their legacy.

It depends how old the players were when they died. If they were all in
their early 30s, then I agree. If they were all in their early 20s, who
knows what they could have gone on to achieve?

How about this for a top 4 then?

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942(?)-49
4 Juventus 1980(?)-86
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Mark wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 13:48:01 -0700, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

On 2025-09-14 06:15, Mark wrote:

I think the possible Juve candidates are, in chronological order:

1931-1935: 5 consecutive scudetti and the core of the 1934 WC
winning team

1957-1961: 3 scudetti in 4 years, the Sivori, Charles and Boniperti
team.

1971-1975: 3 scudetti in 4 years, one EC1 final.

And World vice-champions in 1973. :-P

1976-1986: The Trapattoni team: 6 scudetti in 10 years, EC1, EC2,
EC3, Intercontinental Cup, core of the 1978 and 1982 WC squads. It's difficult to place the boundary between the 1970s and the 1980s
team, but the arrival of Trapattoni (and the departure of Capello
and Anastasi) makes 1976-1977 the natural breaking point.

1994-1998: The Lippi I era: 3 scudetti in 4 years, EC1+IC

2001-2006: The Lippi-Capello era: 4 scudetti in 5 years, one EC1
final, the core of the 2006 WC winning team

2011-2020: 9 consecutive scudetti, two EC1 finals

How about this for a top 4 then?

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942(?)-49
4 Juventus 1980(?)-86

Nobody disagrees with this top 4 then?

Who should no. 5 be? Milan's team that were European and World
Champions in 1969? 1 of the other Juve teams mentioned above? Another
team that aren't called Milan or Inter or Torino or Juve?
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Mark wrote:

Mark wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 13:48:01 -0700, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca>
wrote:

On 2025-09-14 06:15, Mark wrote:

I think the possible Juve candidates are, in chronological order:

1931-1935: 5 consecutive scudetti and the core of the 1934 WC
winning team

1957-1961: 3 scudetti in 4 years, the Sivori, Charles and
Boniperti team.

1971-1975: 3 scudetti in 4 years, one EC1 final.

And World vice-champions in 1973. :-P

1976-1986: The Trapattoni team: 6 scudetti in 10 years, EC1, EC2,
EC3, Intercontinental Cup, core of the 1978 and 1982 WC squads.
It's difficult to place the boundary between the 1970s and the
1980s team, but the arrival of Trapattoni (and the departure of
Capello and Anastasi) makes 1976-1977 the natural breaking point.

1994-1998: The Lippi I era: 3 scudetti in 4 years, EC1+IC

2001-2006: The Lippi-Capello era: 4 scudetti in 5 years, one EC1
final, the core of the 2006 WC winning team

2011-2020: 9 consecutive scudetti, two EC1 finals

How about this for a top 4 then?

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942(?)-49
4 Juventus 1980(?)-86

Nobody disagrees with this top 4 then?

Who should no. 5 be? Milan's team that were European and World
Champions in 1969? 1 of the other Juve teams mentioned above? Another
team that aren't called Milan or Inter or Torino or Juve?

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After all,
Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them that aren't
a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll assume
we've got a consensus.
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Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After all,
Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them that aren't
a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll assume
we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)
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On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 15:18:38 -0000 (UTC), "Mark"
<Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After all,
Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them that aren't
a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll assume
we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)

See, you're just trolling.

Anyway, the correct top-5 list is:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Juventus 1931-1935
5. Torino 1942-1949

I'm being very generous and unbiased by putting Milan in the top spot.

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On 2025-09-30 07:49, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 15:18:38 -0000 (UTC), "Mark"
<Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After all,
Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them that aren't
a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll assume
we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)

See, you're just trolling.

Anyway, the correct top-5 list is:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Juventus 1931-1935
5. Torino 1942-1949

I'm being very generous and unbiased by putting Milan in the top spot.

Too generous, perhaps Were they really the "same" team given different coaches, different strategies, and different key players (Van Basten
,Gullit, Rijkaard vs. Boban, Weah, Savicevic, Desailly, Vieira - I am
not sure about the continuity in the Italian contingent.

FIve Scudetti is impressive, though, along with 3 European Cups, and two losing finalist appearances>

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 15:18:38 -0000 (UTC), "Mark"
<Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After all,
Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them that

aren't >> a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll

assume >> we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)

See, you're just trolling.

Anyway, the correct top-5 list is:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Juventus 1931-1935
5. Torino 1942-1949

I'm being very generous and unbiased by putting Milan in the top spot.

I can accept Juventus at no.2, although I disagree slightly. Were they
the same team for the whole of 1976-86 though?

Juventus 1931-1935 are too high though. Unless Torino's players were
mostly in their 30s when they died, I think Torino were better. Inter
2005-10 were probably better too. (5 consecutive League Championships
plus the EC1 and the Club World Cup.)

I think Juve's 2nd best team were the one they had from 2011-20;
although of course there's question marks again as to whether they
count as 1 team.
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Mark wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 15:18:38 -0000 (UTC), "Mark"
<Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After

all, >> Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them
that aren't >> a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll

assume >> we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)

See, you're just trolling.

Anyway, the correct top-5 list is:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Juventus 1931-1935
5. Torino 1942-1949

I'm being very generous and unbiased by putting Milan in the top
spot.

I can accept Juventus at no.2, although I disagree slightly. Were they
the same team for the whole of 1976-86 though?

Juventus 1931-1935 are too high though. Unless Torino's players were
mostly in their 30s when they died, I think Torino were better. Inter
2005-10 were probably better too. (5 consecutive League Championships
plus the EC1 and the Club World Cup.)

I think Juve's 2nd best team were the one they had from 2011-20;
although of course there's question marks again as to whether they
count as 1 team.

OK how about this list?:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986 (pending confirmation that they were the same
team in 1986 as they were in 1976)
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Torino 1942-1949
5. Juventus 2011-2020...or maybe Inter 2005-2010; or maybe even
Juventus 1995-1998. I think they might have been better than Juve
2011-20; their international record was better and the Italian League
was probably harder to win in the 1990s.

What do yous think?
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Mark wrote:

Mark wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 15:18:38 -0000 (UTC), "Mark" <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:

I officially propose the following Top 4 then:

1 AC Milan 1988-96
2 Internazionale 1963-66
3 Torino 1942-49
4 Juventus 1980-86

Surely we can make it more than 4 teams though can't we? After

all, >> Blueshirt doesn't like lists with numbers of teams in them
that aren't >> a multiple of 5.

If nobody disagrees with the Top 4 by the end of next week I'll

assume >> we've got a consensus.

What about Inter 2005-10? (just to annoy Futbolmetrix!)

See, you're just trolling.

Anyway, the correct top-5 list is:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Juventus 1931-1935
5. Torino 1942-1949

I'm being very generous and unbiased by putting Milan in the top
spot.

I can accept Juventus at no.2, although I disagree slightly. Were
they the same team for the whole of 1976-86 though?

Juventus 1931-1935 are too high though. Unless Torino's players were
mostly in their 30s when they died, I think Torino were better.
Inter 2005-10 were probably better too. (5 consecutive League
Championships plus the EC1 and the Club World Cup.)

I think Juve's 2nd best team were the one they had from 2011-20;
although of course there's question marks again as to whether they
count as 1 team.

OK how about this list?:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Juventus 1976-1986 (pending confirmation that they were the same
team in 1986 as they were in 1976)
3. Inter 1963-1966
4. Torino 1942-1949
5. Juventus 2011-2020...or maybe Inter 2005-2010; or maybe even
Juventus 1995-1998. I think they might have been better than Juve
2011-20; their international record was better and the Italian League
was probably harder to win in the 1990s.

What do yous think?

We've had no confirmation that Juventus had the same team in 1976 as
they did in 1986, so I propose calling it Juventus 1980-86, which means
they "lose" at least 2 League Championships and 1 UEFA Cup, and
therefore also "relegating" them to number 4.

I officially propose the following Top 5:

1. Milan 1988-1996
2. Inter 1963-1966
3. Torino 1942-1949
4. Juventus 1980-1986
5. Inter 2005-2010

If anyone thinks Juventus 1994-98 or Juventus 2011-20 should be number
5 instead, I won't disagree though. (Unless of course someone informs
us that Juve didn't have the same team in 2020 as they did in 2011.)
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