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On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 15:23:57 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings after the R16:

-23.871 TransferMarkt
-24.171 ClubElo
-24.270 Futbolmetrix
-24.339 Collective Consciousness
-25.981 Opta
-26.311 Jesus Petry
-26.666 MH
-27.985 Werner Pichler
-29.240 Lléo
-33.271 Agnostic

ManCity's shock exit at the hands of Al-Hilal changes the picture
completely. MH slides down to 7th place, while the BOTs take the lead.

-29.231 TransferMarkt
-29.384 Collective Consciousness
-29.463 ClubElo
-29.842 Futbolmetrix
-31.454 Opta
-31.880 Jesus Petry
-32.361 MH
-33.178 Werner Pichler
-34.206 Lléo
-38.816 Agnostic


QFs went more or less as expected. No major changes in the standings,
other than Collective Consciousness jumping over ClubElo and
Futbolmetrix in second place.

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 12:07:46 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

QFs went more or less as expected. No major changes in the standings,
other than Collective Consciousness jumping over ClubElo and
Futbolmetrix in second place.

If I'm reading things correctly, TransferMarkt(by Futbolmetrix *) wins
if any of the UEFA teams come out on top, Collective Consciousness if Fluminense are the champs.

Come on you UEFA!


(*) Contrary to previous SophCons, this edition's ClubElo prediction is
Lars's (the ClubElo guy) actual prediction, and not my adaptation based
on his rankings. So I take some pride if my TransferMarkt-based
prediction edges him out.

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 12:07:46 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

QFs went more or less as expected. No major changes in the
standings, other than Collective Consciousness jumping over
ClubElo and Futbolmetrix in second place.

If I'm reading things correctly, TransferMarkt(by Futbolmetrix
*) wins if any of the UEFA teams come out on top, Collective
Consciousness if Fluminense are the champs.

Come on you UEFA!

Well, as the CWC Final will be between the 2021 UEFA Champions
League Winners and the 2022/2024 UEFA Champions League winners
or the 2025 UEFA Champions League Winners... it looks like
TransferMarket wins.

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it will
be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA Conference
League winners. So, a FIFA version of the Super Cup!


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On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it will
be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA Conference
League winners. So, a FIFA version of the Super Cup!

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World Champions 2025" in
your sig.

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On 7/9/2025 2:32 PM, MH wrote:

On 2025-07-09 09:56, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Please don't !!
Unless you qualify it somehow, like, "2025 champions of an
intercontinental tournament FIFA things is important, but which is
really just another meaningless money-spinning friendly"-a-a ;-)

One can't argue with the money-spinning part, but was this tournament
really a meaningless friendly? It was certainly nowhere close to
meaningless for the South American teams and fans. And I would argue
that it wasn't that meaningless for other teams either, judging by the
number of yellow and red cards, as well as the reactions of players and
staff at the final whistle.


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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it
will be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA
Conference League winners. So, a FIFA version of the Super
Cup!

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World Champions
2025" in your sig.

1) I think it's highly unlikely Chelsea will beat PSG.

2) I really don't consider the CWC to be THAT important in the
big scheme of things. (I do think this upgraded version to be an
improvement on its previous incarnations though.)

After saying that, IF Chelsea FC did win the CWC on Sunday then
I would be nominating Chelsea FC for our infamous all-time best
club side list when somebody organises a vote... as being the
"World Champions" twice in just over three years would have to
mean something. A gold badge on your jersey is one thing, but to
make the RSS All-time club list, well... that would just be
something for them to be really proud about...
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MH wrote:

On 2025-07-09 09:56, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it
will be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA
Conference League winners.-a So, a FIFA version of the
Super Cup!

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World
Champions 2025" in your sig.

Please don't !!
Unless you qualify it somehow, like, "2025 champions of an
intercontinental tournament FIFA things is important, but
which is really just another meaningless money-spinning
friendly" ;-)

Well... in all-fairness, I didn't go overboard in 2022 when they
beat Palmeiras in the UAE to become "World Champions" and I have
referred to this CWC as the FIFA Club World Casino... so that
should give you a fair idea of what I think of this type of
tournament.
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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/9/2025 2:32 PM, MH wrote:

Please don't !!
Unless you qualify it somehow, like, "2025 champions of an
intercontinental tournament FIFA things is important, but
which is really just another meaningless money-spinning
friendly"-a-a ;-)

One can't argue with the money-spinning part, but was this
tournament really a meaningless friendly? It was certainly
nowhere close to meaningless for the South American teams and
fans. And I would argue that it wasn't that meaningless for
other teams either, judging by the number of yellow and red
cards, as well as the reactions of players and staff at the
final whistle.

On reflection I wouldn't say meaningless friendly either. Even
though I have sarcastically called it an exhibition tour, it's
quite clear the teams have taken it very seriously on the
pitch... even if the European teams would have preferred to have
been on holiday during what is normally their off-season. I
doubt many fans flew from London to the USA for Chelsea's
matches, but the fans over there seemed to enjoy the games...
the South American ones especially. So if the paying supporters
that go to the games are happy, then fair enough.

Chelsea certainly gave it their best shot anyway... they looked
a bit out of sorts early on in the group stage, and tired and
leggy in the second half of that match where they were down to
ten men, but on the whole they have played to a decent level. A
level that has seen them through to the final after a long
domestic/European season. (Sunday's CWC Final will be their 64th
game of the season.) So they have taken it seriously and for
them it has paid off.

Generally I believe the way this expanded tournament has been
forced into the football calendar by FIFA and the lengths Gianni
Infantino went to get Lionel Messi involved (and tried to get
Ronaldo involved too) have contributed to some of the negative
press... The image that this tournament is more about Infantino
and his ego, and a money-making racket for FIFA, is a hard one
to shake off but if the players are happy to play in it then
everyone else will have to get used to it.

What the title actually means in the big scheme of things is
another matter. For me, I am used to the term "world champions"
being used to refer to an international team. It's not something
I use in general talk with other football fans in regards to
club sides. For the football fans of the future, that might
change...
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Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/9/2025 2:32 PM, MH wrote:

On 2025-07-09 09:56, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Please don't !!
Unless you qualify it somehow, like, "2025 champions of an
intercontinental tournament FIFA things is important, but which is
really just another meaningless money-spinning friendly"-a-a ;-)

One can't argue with the money-spinning part, but was this tournament
really a meaningless friendly? It was certainly nowhere close to
meaningless for the South American teams and fans. And I would argue
that it wasn't that meaningless for other teams either, judging by
the number of yellow and red cards, as well as the reactions of
players and staff at the final whistle.

It seems to be about the money more than the football, yes. But not a meaningless friendly.

There's too many teams from Europe in the other World Cup, I don't know
whether that's anything to do with making money though. What's the
relevant difference between a World Cup with too many European teams in
it and a Club World Cup with too many European teams in it?
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Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World
Champions 2025" in your sig.

1) I think it's highly unlikely Chelsea will beat PSG.

Well, we can't be right all the time, can we?! ;-)
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On 7/13/2025 5:10 PM, Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it
will be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA
Conference League winners. So, a FIFA version of the Super
Cup!

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World Champions
2025" in your sig.

Would I do something juvenile like that!

:-)

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

Some meaningless friendly shenanigans at the end of the match.
Now the big question is whether Chelsea will have an open-bus
parade in West London.

They're going on holiday... They've just finished a 64 game
season and their first pre-season friendly (25/26) is just
under four weeks away... August 8th. (Bayer Leverkusen)
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In article <xn0p89c2a4qek98003@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 9:42:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Plus, if it turns out to be a PSG - Chelsea final, then it
will be the UEFA Champions League winners v the UEFA
Conference League winners. So, a FIFA version of the Super
Cup!

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World Champions
2025" in your sig.

Would I do something juvenile like that!

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In article <xn0p89c5n4qjeqh005@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

Futbolmetrix wrote:

If Chelsea win it, I hope you'll put "Chelsea, World
Champions 2025" in your sig.

1) I think it's highly unlikely Chelsea will beat PSG.

Well, we can't be right all the time, can we?! ;-)

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On Sun, 6 Jul 2025 12:07:46 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 15:23:57 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

Standings after the R16:

Final standings (Log scoring, i.e., official SophCon standings) -------------------------------
-33.134 TransferMarkt
-33.396 Collective Consciousness
-33.414 ClubElo
-34.314 Futbolmetrix
-35.120 Opta
-35.659 Jesus Petry
-36.088 MH
-37.411 Werner Pichler
-38.681 Ll|-o
-42.975 Agnostic


Final standings, Brier
----------------------
15.631 MH
16.235 TransferMarkt
16.523 Futbolmetrix
16.671 Collective Consciousness
16.727 ClubElo
17.257 Jesus Petry
17.475 Opta
18.112 Werner Pichler
19.563 Ll|-o
21.313 Agnostic

Final standings, Ranked Probability Scoring -------------------------------------------
13.149 MH
13.891 TransferMarkt
14.121 Collective Consciousness
14.174 ClubElo
14.483 Werner Pichler
14.625 Futbolmetrix
14.934 Opta
15.269 Jesus Petry
16.720 Ll|-o
20.344 Agnostic

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