• Recreating historical matches with AI

    From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jul 24 23:08:59 2025
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    switch)


    Following the discussion I was having with MH in the other
    interminable thread, here is what ChatGPT thinks about the possibility
    of creating a modern-looking highlight reel from a newspaper account
    of a 1930 soccer match:

    Prompt: If I gave a good AI model a newspaper account of a soccer
    match from the 1930s (say, the 1934 World Cup semifinal), would it be
    able to produce a modern-looking highlight reel from it?


    Answer:
    Great question u and yes, with some caveats, a good AI model *could*
    produce a modern-looking highlight reel of a 1930s soccer match from a well-written newspaper account, but it wouldn't be "real" video u it
    would be a **plausible reconstruction** or **stylized simulation**,
    not historically accurate footage.

    ---

    ### ? WhatAs Possible Today (Mid-2025):

    1. **Text-to-Video Generation**:

    * Advanced models like **Sora** (by OpenAI), or competitors from
    Runway, Pika, and others, can now generate highly realistic video from
    text prompts.
    * If you provide a **detailed match description** u e.g., oIn the
    24th minute, Giuseppe Meazza dribbled past two Austrian defenders and
    slotted the ball into the bottom left cornero u these models can
    visualize that moment as a video scene.

    2. **Stylistic Control**:

    * You can ask the model to use **modern camera angles**,
    **broadcast graphics**, **slow motion replays**, **stadium sound
    effects**, and even **commentary** in the style of a 2020s highlight
    reel.
    * You can choose black-and-white or colorized footage, retro kits
    or updated uniforms, old or modern stadium aesthetics.

    3. **Player Likenesses**:

    * If you provide photos or descriptions of key players (e.g.,
    Meazza), the model can create avatars that *resemble* them, though not perfectly unless guided by reference imagery.

    4. **Sequence Reconstruction**:

    * A well-written newspaper article might not provide
    second-by-second play-by-play, but if it gives a good **narrative of
    major events**, the AI can reconstruct those into a sequence of highlight-worthy scenes (goals, fouls, saves, etc.).

    ---

    ### ?? WhatAs Not Possible (Yet or Ever):

    * **Historical Accuracy**: AI cannot guess what actually happened
    beyond whatAs described. If the newspaper doesn't mention a key play
    or misreports it, the AI will reproduce the error.
    * **Real Faces and Movements**: Without actual footage, the body
    language, facial expressions, and crowd behavior are all speculative.
    * **Full Matches**: A full 90-minute recreation would be technically
    possible, but very labor-intensive and computationally heavy, and
    still mostly fictional beyond whatAs described.

    ---

    ### ?? How You Could Do This:

    If you wanted to try this today, hereAs a pipeline:

    1. **Feed the Article** to GPT-4 or GPT-4o and ask it to extract a scene-by-scene list of major events.
    2. For each scene, generate a prompt like:

    > oScene: A packed Stadio Giovanni Berta in Florence, June 1934.
    ItalyAs Giuseppe Meazza receives the ball at the top of the box,
    sidesteps a sliding Austrian defender, and fires a low shot past the goalkeeper. Modern TV camera angle, HD quality, colorized footage,
    excited Italian crowd in the background.o
    3. Send each prompt to a text-to-video model like **Sora**, **Runway
    Gen-3**, **Pika**, or **Luma Dream Machine**.
    4. Stitch together the clips, add music, crowd sound, and commentary.

    ---

    ### ?? Bottom Line:

    Yes, a good AI can turn a historical match report into a **convincing
    modern highlight reel**, but it will be a **creative reimagining**,
    not an archival reconstruction. ItAs a powerful tool for education, storytelling, and even fan art u but not for documentary accuracy.

    Would you like to try one together? You can upload a match report and
    I can help generate prompts or even visuals.




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  • From anders t@anthu_001@-nospam-hotmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jul 25 12:38:42 2025
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    Quoting Futbolmetrix in rec.sport.soccer:
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    Bah. Modern stuff. This is da shit: Forte Agent 2.0/32.652, released 2004, still doing its lightweight job.
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  • From Mark@Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jul 25 12:58:30 2025
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    Futbolmetrix wrote:

    (Posting via Forte Agent...looks I will have to make the inevitable
    switch)

    What's Forte Agent?


    Following the discussion I was having with MH in the other
    interminable thread, here is what ChatGPT thinks about the possibility
    of creating a modern-looking highlight reel from a newspaper account
    of a 1930 soccer match:

    Is this to more accurately compare teams from the 1930s with teams from
    the 21st century, so we can see whether Barcelona 2009-15 really were a
    better team than Juventus 1931-35 for example?

    Prompt: If I gave a good AI model a newspaper account of a soccer
    match from the 1930s (say, the 1934 World Cup semifinal), would it be
    able to produce a modern-looking highlight reel from it?


    Answer:
    Great question u and yes, with some caveats, a good AI model could
    produce a modern-looking highlight reel of a 1930s soccer match from a well-written newspaper account, but it wouldn't be "real" video u it
    would be a **plausible reconstruction** or **stylized simulation**,
    not historically accurate footage.

    ---

    ### ? WhatAs Possible Today (Mid-2025):

    1. **Text-to-Video Generation**:

    * Advanced models like Sora (by OpenAI), or competitors from
    Runway, Pika, and others, can now generate highly realistic video from
    text prompts.
    * If you provide a **detailed match description** u e.g., oIn the
    24th minute, Giuseppe Meazza dribbled past two Austrian defenders and
    slotted the ball into the bottom left cornero u these models can
    visualize that moment as a video scene.

    2. **Stylistic Control**:

    * You can ask the model to use **modern camera angles**,
    **broadcast graphics**, **slow motion replays**, **stadium sound
    effects**, and even commentary in the style of a 2020s highlight
    reel.
    * You can choose black-and-white or colorized footage, retro kits
    or updated uniforms, old or modern stadium aesthetics.

    3. **Player Likenesses**:

    * If you provide photos or descriptions of key players (e.g.,
    Meazza), the model can create avatars that resemble them, though not perfectly unless guided by reference imagery.

    4. **Sequence Reconstruction**:

    * A well-written newspaper article might not provide
    second-by-second play-by-play, but if it gives a good **narrative of
    major events**, the AI can reconstruct those into a sequence of highlight-worthy scenes (goals, fouls, saves, etc.).

    ---

    ### ?? WhatAs Not Possible (Yet or Ever):

    * **Historical Accuracy**: AI cannot guess what actually happened
    beyond whatAs described. If the newspaper doesn't mention a key play
    or misreports it, the AI will reproduce the error.
    * **Real Faces and Movements**: Without actual footage, the body
    language, facial expressions, and crowd behavior are all speculative.
    * **Full Matches**: A full 90-minute recreation would be technically possible, but very labor-intensive and computationally heavy, and
    still mostly fictional beyond whatAs described.

    ---

    ### ?? How You Could Do This:

    If you wanted to try this today, hereAs a pipeline:

    1. **Feed the Article** to GPT-4 or GPT-4o and ask it to extract a scene-by-scene list of major events.
    2. For each scene, generate a prompt like:

    > oScene: A packed Stadio Giovanni Berta in Florence, June 1934.
    ItalyAs Giuseppe Meazza receives the ball at the top of the box,
    sidesteps a sliding Austrian defender, and fires a low shot past the goalkeeper. Modern TV camera angle, HD quality, colorized footage,
    excited Italian crowd in the background.o
    3. Send each prompt to a text-to-video model like Sora, **Runway
    Gen-3**, Pika, or **Luma Dream Machine**.
    4. Stitch together the clips, add music, crowd sound, and commentary.

    ---

    ### ?? Bottom Line:

    Yes, a good AI can turn a historical match report into a **convincing
    modern highlight reel**, but it will be a **creative reimagining**,
    not an archival reconstruction. ItAs a powerful tool for education, storytelling, and even fan art u but not for documentary accuracy.

    Would you like to try one together? You can upload a match report and
    I can help generate prompts or even visuals.

    I'd be willing to post my match report of Uruguay v Argentina in the
    2011 Copa America quarter-final to experiment with if you want.
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  • From Werner Pichler@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jul 25 13:34:02 2025
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    Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:
    (Posting via Forte Agent...looks I will have to make the inevitable
    switch)


    Following the discussion I was having with MH in the other
    interminable thread, here is what ChatGPT thinks about the possibility
    of creating a modern-looking highlight reel from a newspaper account
    of a 1930 soccer match:

    Prompt: If I gave a good AI model a newspaper account of a soccer
    match from the 1930s (say, the 1934 World Cup semifinal),

    You picked the wrong scenario prompt though, it
    should have been rCyGiuseppe Meazza crashes into the
    Austrian goalkeeper who drops the ball, and the
    Swedish referee has been bribed into awarding the
    goalrCO!

    would it be
    able to produce a modern-looking highlight reel from it?

    I wonder if it wouldnrCOt be worthwhile to do something
    different first - there is existing footage of e.g. the
    1934 World Cup Final, but itrCOs very disjointed, and
    the low frame rate makes everything look more
    distorted than it would have appeared in real life.

    I suppose AI could easily spruce that up, add colour,
    maybe combine several scenes into a more
    compelling highlight reel.


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 27 17:52:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 12:58:30 -0000 (UTC), "Mark"
    <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    Futbolmetrix wrote:

    (Posting via Forte Agent...looks I will have to make the inevitable
    switch)

    What's Forte Agent?

    Wikipedia is a great website:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort%C3%A9_Agent

    You can download it here:
    https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

    As far as I can tell, it's a good newsreader (and there are many who
    have used it for a very long time and swear by it). It's also not
    free.



    Following the discussion I was having with MH in the other
    interminable thread, here is what ChatGPT thinks about the possibility
    of creating a modern-looking highlight reel from a newspaper account
    of a 1930 soccer match:

    Is this to more accurately compare teams from the 1930s with teams from
    the 21st century, so we can see whether Barcelona 2009-15 really were a >better team than Juventus 1931-35 for example?

    That was the basic idea, even though I think the technology is not
    quite there (yet) to make the comparison meaningful.


    I'd be willing to post my match report of Uruguay v Argentina in the
    2011 Copa America quarter-final to experiment with if you want.

    Thanks for the offer. I don't think I have the bandwidth to start the
    actual project right now. Maybe some time in the future?

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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 27 18:04:33 2025
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    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Werner Pichler

    You picked the wrong scenario prompt though, it
    should have been aGiuseppe Meazza crashes into the
    Austrian goalkeeper who drops the ball, and the
    Swedish referee has been bribed into awarding the
    goalA!

    Fake news!

    Here is one description of the goal:
    "Seszta toglie con pulita furberia un pallone a Schiavio, ma questi
    insiste, lo riprende e tira. Platzer para, la palla gli sfugge: tre
    uomini gli sono addosso. Schiavio, Meazza, Ferrari. La palla si ferma
    nel fango, e` fuori portata di Platzer. Guaita, prima ancora che
    Ferrari fosse entrato sul portiere, aveva dato il colpo di grazia e
    segnato. Meazza e Platzer rimangono a terra contusi: il portiere e` il
    primo a rialzarsi, e Meazza lo segue dopo pochi secondi"

    "Seszta steals the ball from Schiavio with a clever trick, but he
    persists, takes it back, and shoots. Platzer saves, the ball slips
    away: three men are on him: Schiavio, Meazza, Ferrari. The ball lands
    in the mud, out of Platzer's reach. Guaita, even before Ferrari had
    run into the goalkeeper, had delivered the coup de grace and scored.
    Meazza and Platzer remain on the ground, bruised: the goalkeeper is
    the first to get up, and Meazza follows a few seconds later."

    If Platzer had really been fouled, he would have rolled on the ground
    for an eternity. Instead, he gets up immediately, undeniable proof
    that there was no wrongdoing. Good call by the ref to award the goal.

    ;-)

    would it be
    able to produce a modern-looking highlight reel from it?

    I wonder if it wouldnAt be worthwhile to do something
    different first - there is existing footage of e.g. the
    1934 World Cup Final, but itAs very disjointed, and
    the low frame rate makes everything look more
    distorted than it would have appeared in real life.

    I suppose AI could easily spruce that up, add colour,
    maybe combine several scenes into a more
    compelling highlight reel.

    Yes, that should be relatively easy. It would be also give us a
    benchmark of what current technology can do
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  • From Werner Pichler@wpichler@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 28 18:56:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.sport.soccer

    On 28/07/2025 00:04, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Jul 2025 13:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Werner Pichler

    You picked the wrong scenario prompt though, it
    should have been rCyGiuseppe Meazza crashes into the
    Austrian goalkeeper who drops the ball, and the
    Swedish referee has been bribed into awarding the
    goalrCO!

    Fake news!

    Here is one description of the goal:
    "Seszta toglie con pulita furberia un pallone a Schiavio, ma questi
    insiste, lo riprende e tira. Platzer para, la palla gli sfugge: tre
    uomini gli sono addosso. Schiavio, Meazza, Ferrari. La palla si ferma
    nel fango, e` fuori portata di Platzer. Guaita, prima ancora che
    Ferrari fosse entrato sul portiere, aveva dato il colpo di grazia e
    segnato. Meazza e Platzer rimangono a terra contusi: il portiere e` il
    primo a rialzarsi, e Meazza lo segue dopo pochi secondi"

    "Seszta steals the ball from Schiavio with a clever trick, but he
    persists, takes it back, and shoots. Platzer saves, the ball slips
    away: three men are on him: Schiavio, Meazza, Ferrari. The ball lands
    in the mud, out of Platzer's reach. Guaita, even before Ferrari had
    run into the goalkeeper, had delivered the coup de grace and scored.
    Meazza and Platzer remain on the ground, bruised: the goalkeeper is
    the first to get up, and Meazza follows a few seconds later."

    "Der italienische Sturm war gut kombinierend vorgekommen. Platzer hat
    einen scharfen Schu|f Schiavios zu parieren, er l|n|ft den Ball fallen, da dringen drei Italiener auf ihn ein; Meazza geht den Torh|+ter brutal an,
    er hindert den sich b|+ckenden Platzer das Leder zu erreichen, zwei
    andere St|+rmer werfen ihn v||llig zu Boden und im n|nchsten Moment springt Guaita vor und st|||ft den Ball |+ber die Torlinie. Platzer ist verletzt,
    auch Maeazza hat etwas abbekommen. Der ||sterreichische Torh|+ter ist auch schon wieder gefechtst|+chtig, doch der St|+rmer der Italiener mu|f noch
    gelabt werden, um wieder eingreifen zu k||nnen."
    (Sport-Tagblatt Wien 04.06.1934)

    "Using good interplay the Italian forward line attacked. Platzer has to
    parry a powerful shot by Schiavio; he drops the ball as three Italians
    close in on him; Meazza brutally (!) tackles the goalkeeper,
    he prevents a stooping Platzer from reaching the ball, two other
    strikers throw him fully to the ground and in the next moment Guaita
    jumps and pushes the ball over the goal line. Platzer is injured, Meazza
    got hurt, too. The Austrian goalkeeper is soon ready for battle again,
    but the Italian striker needs refreshment (!) in order to return to
    action."

    (I'll say one thing, sports commentary in the olden days was much more colourful!)


    If Platzer had really been fouled, he would have rolled on the ground
    for an eternity. Instead, he gets up immediately, undeniable proof
    that there was no wrongdoing. Good call by the ref to award the goal.

    ;-)

    would it be
    able to produce a modern-looking highlight reel from it?

    I wonder if it wouldnrCOt be worthwhile to do something
    different first - there is existing footage of e.g. the
    1934 World Cup Final, but itrCOs very disjointed, and
    the low frame rate makes everything look more
    distorted than it would have appeared in real life.

    I suppose AI could easily spruce that up, add colour,
    maybe combine several scenes into a more
    compelling highlight reel.

    Yes, that should be relatively easy. It would be also give us a
    benchmark of what current technology can do


    AI, do your job!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgpUEgJlzLU&t=157s



    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@futbolmetrix@yahoo.com to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 28 21:04:22 2025
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    On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 18:56:00 +0200, Werner Pichler
    <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Seszta steals the ball from Schiavio with a clever trick, but he
    persists, takes it back, and shoots. Platzer saves, the ball slips
    away: three men are on him: Schiavio, Meazza, Ferrari. The ball lands
    in the mud, out of Platzer's reach. Guaita, even before Ferrari had
    run into the goalkeeper, had delivered the coup de grace and scored.
    Meazza and Platzer remain on the ground, bruised: the goalkeeper is
    the first to get up, and Meazza follows a few seconds later."


    "Using good interplay the Italian forward line attacked. Platzer has to
    parry a powerful shot by Schiavio; he drops the ball as three Italians
    close in on him; Meazza brutally (!) tackles the goalkeeper,
    he prevents a stooping Platzer from reaching the ball, two other
    strikers throw him fully to the ground and in the next moment Guaita
    jumps and pushes the ball over the goal line. Platzer is injured, Meazza
    got hurt, too. The Austrian goalkeeper is soon ready for battle again,
    but the Italian striker needs refreshment (!) in order to return to
    action."

    (I'll say one thing, sports commentary in the olden days was much more >colourful!)

    I have a hunch that these contemporary reports were not exactly
    unbiased. However, there seems to be agreement on a few things:

    - Platzer dropped the ball, which eventually fell to Guaita who poked
    it in.
    - Platzer and Meazza collided, and Meazza came out the worst.
    - Also, the picth was very muddy.


    All the rest is a matter of opinion...



    AI, do your job!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgpUEgJlzLU&t=157s


    Looks like the fellows in white did their fair share of physical play.


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