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    From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Jul 5 20:12:48 2025
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    Binder Dundat wrote:

    PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

    One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern
    wish they had not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the
    players it looked like Musiala was badly injured at the end of
    the half.

    I see the rest of the world got to see the great Anthony Taylor
    in action...

    Although in fairness, the CONCACAF referees in the CWC make him
    look like the best referee in the world.
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  • From Mark@Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 6 14:14:55 2025
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    Why have they changed the trophy again?

    And why is there no 3rd place play-off now? They think a 3rd place
    play-off, and even a 5th place play-off, is worthwhile when there's
    only 6 teams, but it's not worth bothering with a 3rd place play-off
    when there's 32 teams?

    Binder Dundat wrote:

    PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

    One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern wish they
    had not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the players it looked
    like Musiala was badly injured at the end of the half.

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  • From Werner Pichler@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 7 00:44:34 2025
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    Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    Why have they changed the trophy again?

    And why is there no 3rd place play-off now? They think a 3rd place
    play-off, and even a 5th place play-off, is worthwhile when there's
    only 6 teams, but it's not worth bothering with a 3rd place play-off
    when there's 32 teams?


    Because the actual purpose of those games was
    not to find out whorCOs 3rd or 5th best, but to
    guarantee that every participating club would get
    to play at least two matches.

    Now that everyone is playing three group stage
    matches anyway those games are no longer needed.


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Binder Dundat@dundat@mail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 13 14:16:09 2025
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    So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
    warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

    Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
    history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these
    finals are usually tight. Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
    player roster, that should help in this sauna match.


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  • From Werner Pichler@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 13 19:53:40 2025
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    Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:
    So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
    warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

    Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
    history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these finals are usually tight. Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
    player roster, that should help in this sauna match.


    PSG are getting dismantled by Cole Palmer. Hands
    up who saw that coming.


    Ciao,
    Werner



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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 13 21:00:53 2025
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    Werner Pichler wrote:

    PSG are getting dismantled by Cole Palmer. Hands
    up who saw that coming.

    Not me!
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jul 13 21:09:19 2025
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    Binder Dundat wrote:

    Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best
    team in club football for the next 4 years

    No, we need to make a top seven list and then put it to three
    votes so it can become the official RSS list... the bad news
    is, Chelsea are excluded from being voted for as they are
    English.
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  • From Mark@Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 14 13:33:05 2025
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    Binder Dundat wrote:

    On 2025-07-13 3:57 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On 7/13/2025 2:16 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:
    So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near
    as warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

    Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in
    the history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably,
    but these finals are usually tight.-a Also, if Chelsea is allowed
    to use it's 80 player roster, that should help in this sauna
    match.


    This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the
    strongly favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged
    underdogs.

    Close to HT:-a Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see Blueshirt's
    new sig!



    They are not really being ripped to shreds, they are just looking
    really tired and conceding every time Chelsea attack. PSG have more possession and completed passes, for whatever that is worth.

    Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
    in club football for the next 4 years

    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it in 2021.
    Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo aren't going to get 2
    chances to play in it unless they win the Copa Libertadores again
    between now and 2028.
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  • From Jesus Petry@jesus.petry@gmail.com to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jul 14 13:44:12 2025
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    On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:
    Binder Dundat wrote:

    On 2025-07-13 3:57 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On 7/13/2025 2:16 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:
    So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near
    as warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

    Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in
    the history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably,
    but these finals are usually tight.-a Also, if Chelsea is allowed
    to use it's 80 player roster, that should help in this sauna
    match.


    This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the
    strongly favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged
    underdogs.

    Close to HT:-a Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see Blueshirt's
    new sig!



    They are not really being ripped to shreds, they are just looking
    really tired and conceding every time Chelsea attack. PSG have more
    possession and completed passes, for whatever that is worth.

    Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
    in club football for the next 4 years

    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it in 2021.
    Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win the Copa Libertadores again
    between now and 2028.

    Erm... every team there were either in their second chance or got a
    ranking wild card.
    Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than some) and won deservedly.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry

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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jul 15 21:16:50 2025
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    Jesus Petry wrote:

    On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:
    Binder Dundat wrote:

    I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
    in club football for the next 4 years

    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
    in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

    Erm... every team there were either in their second chance or
    got a ranking wild card.

    Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter the
    illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know much
    about football... well, outside of what they've read on the
    Internet obviously.

    Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
    some) and won deservedly.

    They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are you
    supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their games so
    the players can go on holiday?

    If you're in it, you try and win it.
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jul 15 21:16:22 2025
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    Mark wrote:


    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
    in 2021.

    It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

    And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
    (The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

    But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
    of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
    the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
    are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

    It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
    teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
    very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
    qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
    sides of all time in some people's eyes...

    If Chelsea were a Brazilian/Argentinian team some people would
    be wetting their pants that they beat PSG 3-0 in the final! (We
    do have some good young South American players though, so these
    people should feel free to cheer them all on during the coming
    season.)

    Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
    aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
    the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

    Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world champions",
    officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation or vote rigging
    required. Just how are the begrudgers going to manage?

    For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know who
    to turn to to get them through the next four years...

    https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/
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  • From Mark@Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 08:49:52 2025
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    Blueshirt wrote:

    Jesus Petry wrote:

    On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:
    Binder Dundat wrote:

    I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
    in club football for the next 4 years

    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
    in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

    Erm... every team there were either in their second chance or
    got a ranking wild card.

    Botafogo weren't. Maybe they should have chosen them all by rankings.
    Or far better still, just don't play it in between the 4-yearly
    tournaments.

    Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter the
    illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know much
    about football... well, outside of what they've read on the
    Internet obviously.

    See above. What's illogical about thinking that Fluminense, Real
    Madrid, Chelsea, Palmeiras should only get 1 chance to play in it from
    1 continental championship? Everybody else only gets 1 chance. And I do
    know a lot about football.

    Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
    some) and won deservedly.

    They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are you
    supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their games so
    the players can go on holiday?

    Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
    money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?
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  • From Mark@Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 09:00:23 2025
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    Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:


    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
    in 2021.

    It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

    And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
    (The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

    No, the Club World Cup is the Club World Cup; it's still the same
    tournament. Otherwise Chelsea haven't been World champions twice. The
    FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a completely different, irrelevant
    tournament.

    But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
    of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
    the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
    are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

    It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
    teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
    very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
    qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
    sides of all time in some people's eyes...

    The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams from
    Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

    If Chelsea were a Brazilian/Argentinian team some people would
    be wetting their pants that they beat PSG 3-0 in the final! (We
    do have some good young South American players though, so these
    people should feel free to cheer them all on during the coming
    season.)

    Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
    aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
    the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

    Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world champions",
    officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation or vote rigging
    required. Just how are the begrudgers going to manage?

    Just being rich and a cash cow for FIFA required, that's all.

    For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know who
    to turn to to get them through the next four years...

    https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/

    Yeah yeah! I thought the same thing about Fluminense, Flamengo, Real
    Madrid etc.
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  • From Werner Pichler@no_email@invalid.invalid to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 10:26:27 2025
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    Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:


    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
    in 2021.

    It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

    And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
    (The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

    No, the Club World Cup is the Club World Cup; it's still the same
    tournament. Otherwise Chelsea haven't been World champions twice. The
    FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a completely different, irrelevant
    tournament.

    But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
    of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
    the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
    are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

    It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
    teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
    very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
    qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
    sides of all time in some people's eyes...

    The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams from
    Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

    But what about the teams from Oceania?!?!

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 12:42:04 2025
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    Mark wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:

    Jesus Petry wrote:

    On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:
    Binder Dundat wrote:

    I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
    in club football for the next 4 years

    Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
    in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

    Erm... every team there were either in their second chance
    or got a ranking wild card.

    Botafogo weren't. Maybe they should have chosen them all by
    rankings. Or far better still, just don't play it in between
    the 4-yearly tournaments.

    I can't speak for Botafogo as I am not an expert on South
    American clubs, leagues or tournaments.

    But, FIFA should have chosen all the teams by being the winners
    of something, no rankings used at all. So from Europe, the four
    UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League winners during that
    period should have been the teams invited... and maybe the
    losing UEFA Champions League finalist IF the same team won the
    Champions League more than once during the qualifying period.

    Continually playing the annual tournament (Now the FIFA
    Intercontinental Cup) to have yearly "world champions" as well
    as quadrennial "world champions" is down to FIFA, whether it's
    fair or not is down to your point of view.

    I am not a fan of how FIFA does things, as any browse through my
    posts here would tell you!

    Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter
    the illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know
    much about football... well, outside of what they've read on
    the Internet obviously.

    See above. What's illogical about thinking that Fluminense,
    Real Madrid, Chelsea, Palmeiras should only get 1 chance to
    play in it from 1 continental championship? Everybody else
    only gets 1 chance. And I do know a lot about football.

    You'll have to e-mail Uncle Gianni about that one. You can't
    blame the teams taking part... FIFA want to make money, and
    think it's a jolly good wheeze to have two club world
    championships. They do not see that as illogical, it's just
    business.

    Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
    some) and won deservedly.

    They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are
    you supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their
    games so the players can go on holiday?

    Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
    money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?

    Well, I do accept [and have clearly acknowledged] that it was
    just a money-making tournament and, although not mentioned quite
    as much, a power grab by them too.

    But why would any professional football club not take the thing
    seriously when there was so much prize money at stake? From
    Chelsea's point of view, their prize money from a three week
    tournament in the USA has paid for two exciting young Brazilian
    players, Estevao and Pedro. So for them, it was a worthwhile
    exercise.
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 12:40:28 2025
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    Mark wrote:

    Blueshirt wrote:

    It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now
    when teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison
    to those very important one-off/two legged matches that for
    some reason qualified teams to be considered to be some of
    the best club sides of all time in some people's eyes...

    The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams
    from Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

    Why was the Intercontinental Cup played in Japan and sponsored
    by Toyota then? Why did FIFA get involved in it in the first
    place? (It wasn't originally a FIFA organised tournament, as I'm
    sure you know.)

    What went on in the 1960's is ancient history. Professional
    football is all about money, it's just now we are talking crazy
    money because of broadcasting rights and big sponsorships.

    You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.

    Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
    aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
    the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

    Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world
    champions", officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation
    or vote rigging required. Just how are the begrudgers going
    to manage?

    Just being rich and a cash cow for FIFA required, that's all.

    Chelsea qualified for this [expanded] Club World Cup by winning
    the UEFA Champions League in 2021, just as PSG have qualified
    for the 2029 FIFA Club World Cup by winning the UEFA Champions
    League this year. They are winners of a continental championship
    so fully deserving of being in the tournament.

    The rights and wrongs of an expanded 32-team Club World Cup
    tournament existing is a completely different thing
    altogether... which we might even agree on!


    For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know
    who to turn to to get them through the next four years...


    https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/

    Yeah yeah! I thought the same thing about Fluminense,
    Flamengo, Real Madrid etc.

    That's good. Try and be consistent and we'll make a Chelsea fan
    out of you yet - Enzo, Caicedo, Santos, Pedro, Estnvpo,
    Denner... there's plenty of South American talent in blue for
    you to follow.
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 14:57:14 2025
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    Werner Pichler wrote:

    Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

    The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the
    teams from Europe and South America were treated equally
    fairly.

    But what about the teams from Oceania?!?!

    Africa, Asia, North America etc... :-)

    It's like football only existed in two continents. Very
    representative!
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  • From Blueshirt@blueshirt@indigo.news to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jul 16 15:03:48 2025
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    Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
    money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?

    Well, I do accept [and have clearly acknowledged] that it was
    just a money-making tournament


    ... and, although not mentioned quite as much, a power grab
    by them too.

    Following this comment earlier, my online browsing of the
    football news this afternoon brought me to this article
    from The Independent... which is quite apt.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/ceferin-uefa-fifa-club-world-cup-infantino-b2789465.html
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