• 153. - A CUTTING OUT PUZZLE

    From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to rec.puzzles on Sun Sep 21 09:13:52 2025
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    Taken from 'Amusements in Mathematics' by Henry Ernest Dudeney.

    Here is a little cutting out poser. I take a strip of paper, measuring
    five inches by one inch, and, by cutting it into five pieces, the parts
    fit together and form a square, as shown in this illustration [*]. Now
    it is quite an interesting puzzle to discover how we can do this in only
    four pieces.

    [*] The illustration is available at the following link.

    https://archive.org/details/amusementsinmath00dude/page/37/mode/1up

    If you don't have access to this, I shall describe the arrangement...

    The illustration shows the 5 x 1 rectangle cut into five parts: two 2 x
    1 rectangles and one 1 x 1 square. The rectangles are further divided
    into two parts, each, along the diagonal. This forms one square and four triangles. The four triangles are arranged such that the hypotenuse, of
    each, forms the outer perimeter of a square. The remaining 1 x 1 square
    then fits neatly into the space left in the middle.
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to rec.puzzles on Tue Sep 23 12:07:53 2025
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    On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 09:13:52 +0100, David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:

    Taken from 'Amusements in Mathematics' by Henry Ernest Dudeney.

    Here is a little cutting out poser. I take a strip of paper, measuring
    five inches by one inch, and, by cutting it into five pieces, the parts
    fit together and form a square, as shown in this illustration [*]. Now
    it is quite an interesting puzzle to discover how we can do this in only >four pieces.

    [*] The illustration is available at the following link.

    https://archive.org/details/amusementsinmath00dude/page/37/mode/1up

    If you don't have access to this, I shall describe the arrangement...

    The illustration shows the 5 x 1 rectangle cut into five parts: two 2 x
    1 rectangles and one 1 x 1 square. The rectangles are further divided
    into two parts, each, along the diagonal. This forms one square and four >triangles. The four triangles are arranged such that the hypotenuse, of >each, forms the outer perimeter of a square. The remaining 1 x 1 square
    then fits neatly into the space left in the middle.


    Did anyone get this? Two days on, and no responses.

    The five piece solution kind of begs to be discovered as we are
    looking for a square of side sqrt(5) and

    sqrt(5) = sqrt(1^2 + 2^2)

    and all that is screaming to be seen in the diagram.

    Never being good at this kind of puzzle, the four piece solution
    is beyond me. Will keep staring at the square of side sqrt(5),
    though!
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to rec.puzzles on Thu Sep 25 09:56:43 2025
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    On 23/09/2025 17:07, Charlie Roberts wrote:
    Did anyone get this? Two days on, and no responses.

    I didn't find a solution. I was looking at strips cut, aligned with the diagonal, and that didn't work.

    I've looked at the solution and Dudeney says: "First find the side of
    the square (the mean proportional between the length and height of the rectangle), and the solution is obvious"...

    He then runs through a general solution for strips of various
    proportions. It looks quite ingenious - perhaps not something we all
    should know, but something of use to some. I'll post the solution, if no
    one has it, at the weekend.
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to rec.puzzles on Fri Sep 26 16:58:33 2025
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    On Thu, 25 Sep 2025 09:56:43 +0100, David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:

    On 23/09/2025 17:07, Charlie Roberts wrote:
    Did anyone get this? Two days on, and no responses.

    I didn't find a solution. I was looking at strips cut, aligned with the >diagonal, and that didn't work.

    I've looked at the solution and Dudeney says: "First find the side of
    the square (the mean proportional between the length and height of the >rectangle), and the solution is obvious"...

    Well, the first part *is* obivous, but after that .... is it still
    obvious? Certainly, not ot me!

    He then runs through a general solution for strips of various
    proportions. It looks quite ingenious - perhaps not something we all
    should know, but something of use to some. I'll post the solution, if no
    one has it, at the weekend.

    Would love to see the general cases. I guess there has to be
    some restriction on the sides of the rectangle.
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  • From David Entwistle@qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz to rec.puzzles on Sun Sep 28 10:46:56 2025
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    On 21/09/2025 09:13, David Entwistle wrote:
    Taken from 'Amusements in Mathematics' by Henry Ernest Dudeney.

    Here is a little cutting out poser. I take a strip of paper, measuring
    five inches by one inch, and, by cutting it into five pieces, the parts
    fit together and form a square, as shown in this illustration [*]. Now
    it is quite an interesting puzzle to discover how we can do this in only four pieces.

    SPOILER.
    POILER.
    OILER.
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    LER.
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    Dudeney's solution says:

    The illustration[*] shows how to cut the four pieces and form with them
    a square. First find the side of the square (the mean proportional
    between the length and height of the rectangle), and the method is
    obvious. If our strip is exactly in the proportions 9 x 1, or 16 x 1, or
    25 x 1, we can clearly cut it in 3, 4, or 5 rectangular pieces
    respectively to form a square. Excluding these special cases, the
    general law is that for a strip in length more than n^2 times the
    breadth, and not more than (n + 1)^2 times the breadth, it may be cut in
    n+2 pieces to form a square, and there will be n - 1 rectangular pieces
    like piece 4 in the diagram. Thus, for example, with a strip 24 x 1, the length is more than 16 and less than 25 times the breadth. Therefore it
    can be done in 6 pieces (n here being 4), 3 of which will be
    rectangular. In the case where n equals 1, the rectangle disappears and
    we get a solution in three pieces. Within these limits, of course, the
    sides need not be rational: the solution is purely geometrical.

    [*] An image of the solution is available on-line at the following links:

    http://puzzles.50webs.org/a153.html

    and

    https://archive.org/details/amusementsinmath00dude/page/172/mode/1up
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  • From Charlie Roberts@croberts@gmail.com to rec.puzzles on Mon Sep 29 13:04:39 2025
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    On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 10:46:56 +0100, David Entwistle <qnivq.ragjvfgyr@ogvagrearg.pbz> wrote:



    Dudeney's solution says:

    The illustration[*] shows how to cut the four pieces and form with them
    a square. First find the side of the square (the mean proportional
    between the length and height of the rectangle), and the method is
    obvious. If our strip is exactly in the proportions 9 x 1, or 16 x 1, or
    25 x 1, we can clearly cut it in 3, 4, or 5 rectangular pieces
    respectively to form a square. Excluding these special cases, the
    general law is that for a strip in length more than n^2 times the
    breadth, and not more than (n + 1)^2 times the breadth, it may be cut in
    n+2 pieces to form a square, and there will be n - 1 rectangular pieces
    like piece 4 in the diagram. Thus, for example, with a strip 24 x 1, the >length is more than 16 and less than 25 times the breadth. Therefore it
    can be done in 6 pieces (n here being 4), 3 of which will be
    rectangular. In the case where n equals 1, the rectangle disappears and
    we get a solution in three pieces. Within these limits, of course, the
    sides need not be rational: the solution is purely geometrical.

    [*] An image of the solution is available on-line at the following links:

    http://puzzles.50webs.org/a153.html

    and

    https://archive.org/details/amusementsinmath00dude/page/172/mode/1up

    Amazing! Thanks for this general solutuion.

    As I said earlier, I am absolutely terrible at dissection puzzles.
    Always thought of them as one-off wonders. But, now, here
    is a general solution for this class of problems.

    I do not remember seeing anything like this solution in Martin
    Gardner's writings, but I could have missed it.

    One to salt away.

    Thanks.
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