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On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:13:34 -0400, knuttle wrote :

Trust me the person who sent me the file is quite clueless. I am sure
that they do not even realize what file format they are sending, if they realize there are different formats.

I once HEIC'd myself using my Samsung Galaxy which has a checkmark in the default camera app for HEIC format (touting it as a "better" image format).

While it may be better, for me, the best thing about JPEG is compatibility.
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On 05/08/2025 21:23, Marion wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:13:34 -0400, knuttle wrote :

Trust me the person who sent me the file is quite clueless. I am sure
that they do not even realize what file format they are sending, if they
realize there are different formats.

I once HEIC'd myself using my Samsung Galaxy which has a checkmark in the default camera app for HEIC format (touting it as a "better" image format).

While it may be better, for me, the best thing about JPEG is compatibility.

and while HEIC might be "better" the fact is that its still a compressed
file, which probably means that half the pixels on the cameras are being wasted
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On 2025-08-08 10:54, Abandoned Trolley wrote:

On 05/08/2025 21:23, Marion wrote:

On Tue, 5 Aug 2025 16:13:34 -0400, knuttle wrote :

Trust me the person who sent me the file is quite clueless.-a-a I am sure >>> that they do not even realize what file format they are sending, if they >>> realize there are different formats.

I once HEIC'd myself using my Samsung Galaxy which has a checkmark in the
default camera app for HEIC format (touting it as a "better" image
format).

While it may be better, for me, the best thing about JPEG is
compatibility.

and while HEIC might be "better" the fact is that its still a compressed file, which probably means that half the pixels on the cameras are being wasted

Far from it.

Besides, you mean compressed and lossy. A compressed format doesn't lose
or change a single bit.

jpeg is compressed and lossy, and it doesn't waste half of the pixels.
Depends on the quality selected, and cameras use a very high setting,
around .95
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Cheers, Carlos.
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 12:08:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :

Trust me the person who sent me the file is quite clueless.aa I am sure >>>> that they do not even realize what file format they are sending, if they >>>> realize there are different formats.

I once HEIC'd myself using my Samsung Galaxy which has a checkmark in the >>> default camera app for HEIC format (touting it as a "better" image
format).

While it may be better, for me, the best thing about JPEG is
compatibility.

and while HEIC might be "better" the fact is that its still a compressed
file, which probably means that half the pixels on the cameras are being
wasted

Far from it.

Besides, you mean compressed and lossy. A compressed format doesn't lose
or change a single bit.

jpeg is compressed and lossy, and it doesn't waste half of the pixels. Depends on the quality selected, and cameras use a very high setting,
around .95

My first experience with HEIC was when I turned it on in my Samsung camera
app, where I instantly learned that this whole HEIC fiasco is a classic
case of technically open, yet practically annoying.

If you use multiple platforms, as I do, then HEIC turns out to be too much trouble for what it does. Much too much trouble, in fact, since Irfanview
is the main image viewer for almost all of us on the Windows platform.

HEIC is a container format based on HEIF (High Efficiency Image Format),
which is an open standard developed by the Moving Picture Experts Group
(MPEG) and finalized in 2015.

However, HEIC files often use HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding) for compression, and HEVC is patent-encumbered, meaning licensing fees apply
for software that wants to support it. That's where the proprietary
confusion comes in.

Apple adopted HEIC as the default format in iOS 11 (2017), and while other platforms like Android and Windows have added support, it's still not as universally compatible as JPEG is. Especially with the venerable Irfanview.

Windows 10 doesn't natively support HEIC without installing the HEVC codec
from the Microsoft Store (sometimes paid), or using third-party tools like CopyTrans or online converters. IrfanView requires plugins, and even then,
it may rely on external codecs to decode HEIC properly.

JPEG is universally supported, decades old, and unlike most Apple
proprietary stuff, JPEG just works. No plugins, no conversions, no drama.
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 09:46:07 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote :

knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 08/05/2025 3:19 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:

knuttle wrote:

I have received some pictures from some one with an Iphone in the heic >>>> format.

I went to the Irfanview site and it said the with tools the heic
format could be opened (As I understand.)

Could someone provide incite into opening heic files in Irfanview.

Afaik, Irfan does not natively open heic files.
You can install Irfan or Windows plugins but they are full programs.
In effect, Irfan calls up another program to view or convert heic.
For the very few heic files that I run across I prefer uploading to the >>> web and do online conversions to jpg then download the jpg.
I don't care if someone else sees views of my cousin's cat and dog.
Go here:
https://heic.digital/

I apparently mis read the Irfanview support page for Plugins and thought
it the codex was in one of the plugin files.

I found a free codex CopyTransStudiov1.058.exe, that render the
proprietary format HEIC.

There's no need to install anything third party. Get the appropriate translators for Windows from MS as others have highlighted. This is a
windows deficiency not Irfanview.

Also HEIC is an open standard as an alternative/improvement to jpeg. It's
not proprietary.

Ah yes, HEIC.
The image format that's totally open, unless you actually want to open it.

Technically, it's based on HEIF, an open standard. But the compression it
uses (HEVC) is wrapped in enough patents to make a lawyer blush. So while
it's not "proprietary," it's also not exactly user friendly on Windows.

Apple, in its infinite wisdom, made HEIC the default in iOS because it's smaller and more efficient than JPEG. Great for saving space. Terrible for anyone not living in the Apple bubble.

On Windows you'll need plugins, codecs, maybe a blood sacrifice.

IrfanView can handle it with enough coaxing and the right incantations.
Or you can just upload your cousin's cat to a sketchy website and hope the Apple gods smile upon you.

Meanwhile, the ancient JPEG format, perhaps bloated, and gloriously
universal, simply just works. No plugins. No conversions.

It just works.

So yes, HEIC is "open." Like a door with twelve locks and a keypad that
only Apple knows the code to kind of open.
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Marion <marion@facts.com> wrote:

On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 12:08:06 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote :

Trust me the person who sent me the file is quite clueless.aa I am sure >>>> that they do not even realize what file format they are sending, if they >>>> realize there are different formats.

I once HEIC'd myself using my Samsung Galaxy which has a checkmark in the >>> default camera app for HEIC format (touting it as a "better" image
format).

While it may be better, for me, the best thing about JPEG is
compatibility.

and while HEIC might be "better" the fact is that its still a compressed >> file, which probably means that half the pixels on the cameras are being >> wasted

Far from it.

Besides, you mean compressed and lossy. A compressed format doesn't lose
or change a single bit.

jpeg is compressed and lossy, and it doesn't waste half of the pixels. Depends on the quality selected, and cameras use a very high setting, around .95

My first experience with HEIC was when I turned it on in my Samsung camera app, where I instantly learned that this whole HEIC fiasco is a classic
case of technically open, yet practically annoying.

If you use multiple platforms, as I do, then HEIC turns out to be too much trouble for what it does. Much too much trouble, in fact, since Irfanview
is the main image viewer for almost all of us on the Windows platform.
....

Really? Are there statistics on this? I use GIMP and know many
others using GIMP. Not to disparage Irfanview, it's fine, but not
as fulsome as GIMP.

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