• Re: Hidden sugar

    From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 09:02:24 2025
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    On 2025-08-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-24, ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake. >> >> >>>

    Hold on there! Sweet potatoes with marshmallows on top is a favorite.
    That sweetness eaten with a bit of cornbread dressing is heavenly. But >> > your blood sugar level is sure to go into orbit. Efya

    I don't like cornbread dressing, either.

    I'll stick to white-bread dressing and chipotle on my sweet
    potatoes.


    You're no fun. Efye

    Really? My husband dislikes cornbread dressing, too. Bonus:
    he hates sweet potatoes. Or anything that's orange and cooked,
    as far as I can tell.
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    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 09:54:01 2025
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    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 1:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 11:23 AM, heyjoe wrote:
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 10:04 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake. >>>>>>

    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on
    top.

    That was my introduction to sweet potatoes when I was a kid. It was
    disgusting and it took me years to get over the aversion to sweet potatoes.

    Had that a couple of times, when gracious manners prevented a pass.
    Normally . . . NO.


    Never had them at home but did not like they when I did have them boiled >> and mashed.

    Then I discovered baking and frying them. Now I have them sliced, spray >> with oil, air dry 20 minutes. Very tasty.

    The Japanese have a way of roasting sweet potatoes until sugar starts oozing out
    of it. If it's roasted more, it creates a glaze/shell on the potato. It's quite
    an amazing thing.

    Despite your cultural loyalty, the Japanese didn't invent that.

    Jill

    I am a student of most cultures. Who invented roast sweet potatoes and how is at all relevant?

    https://www.tasteatlas.com/yaki-imo
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 10:17:01 2025
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    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 6:17 AM, dsi1 wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.
    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything.
    Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/9WYibAmNsvYsMoUJ8

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/PYnrLJiS8coHGZ7T7
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 20:31:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 10:17:01 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything.
    Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland >food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    You want the food industry to add lots of sugar and HFCS to food
    because you're an intense kind of guy. Interesting.
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 11:21:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I am a student of most cultures. Who invented roast sweet potatoes and how is at all relevant?

    Probably some unknown person or people in Central or South America.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 11:22:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 6:17 AM, dsi1 wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.
    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything.
    Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From songbird@songbird@anthive.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 07:06:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 10:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 10:04 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.


    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows
    on top.

    That was my introduction to sweet potatoes when I was a kid. It was
    disgusting and it took me years to get over the aversion to sweet potatoes. >>


    That's odd, considering where you live. I was always told it was a
    Southern US thing to put marshmallows on sweet potato casserole. I've
    lived in the mid-south and now the deep south since I was a teenager and
    yet I've only ever read about sweet potato casserole with marshmallows.

    it's been that way my whole life that people do sweet
    potato casserole for TG with the butter, brown sugar and
    marshmallows on top and it's mid-Michigan here but i've
    had them made i the UP of Michigan too without anyone
    thinking it was anything unusual.


    songbird
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  • From songbird@songbird@anthive.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 07:07:58 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:
    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird
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  • From Dave Smith@adavid.smith@sympatico.ca to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 09:14:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:


    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.


    It is still sweet tasting.



    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot
    alike, and that is not far off being bland.

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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 09:21:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 7:07 AM, songbird wrote:
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:
    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird

    I never buy marshmallows, but if they sold them pre-burnt, I'd buy a bag.
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  • From heyjoe@nobody@home.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 14:43:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    Probably some unknown person or people in Central or South America.

    Thought sweet potatoes originated in Western Africa. I was wrong!
    Yams prolly came from west Africa and/or south east Asia, while sweet
    potatoes prolly originated in South America (Peru, Bolivia).

    I could be wrong yet again, but am still learning stuff.



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  • From heyjoe@nobody@home.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 14:43:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:
    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.

    Nailed it in one.



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  • From flood of sins@fos@sdf.org to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 14:50:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-24, Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top. And when I bake sweet potatoes, I treat them exactly like baked
    russet potatoes. Rubbed with butter, sprinkled with salt and inside
    after baking only salt & pepper and butter. Maybe a dab of sour cream.
    No added sugar. Sweet potatoes themselves have enough natural sugar,
    they don't need any sugar added.

    no salt butter and a dusting of pumpkin spice for me.
    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org
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  • From flood of sins@fos@sdf.org to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 15:01:45 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-24, heyjoe <nobody@home.invalid> wrote:
    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 10:04 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.

    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on >>> top.

    That was my introduction to sweet potatoes when I was a kid. It was
    disgusting and it took me years to get over the aversion to sweet potatoes.

    Had that a couple of times, when gracious manners prevented a pass.
    Normally . . . NO.

    sometimes manners need to be chucked into a garbage bin. for me
    it's either a hard no, or make up some shit like i'm allergic to
    marshmallows. i don't like them. period.
    --
    SDF Public Access UNIX System - https://sdf.org
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 15:53:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 10:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 10:04 a.m., Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.


    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows >>>> on top.

    That was my introduction to sweet potatoes when I was a kid. It was
    disgusting and it took me years to get over the aversion to sweet potatoes. >>>


    That's odd, considering where you live. I was always told it was a
    Southern US thing to put marshmallows on sweet potato casserole. I've
    lived in the mid-south and now the deep south since I was a teenager and
    yet I've only ever read about sweet potato casserole with marshmallows.

    it's been that way my whole life that people do sweet
    potato casserole for TG with the butter, brown sugar and
    marshmallows on top and it's mid-Michigan here but i've
    had them made i the UP of Michigan too without anyone
    thinking it was anything unusual.

    My grandmother (originally from Virginia, but that probably isn't
    a factor) baked canned sweet potatoes (in syrup) and put
    mini-marshmallows on top. It's possible she added brown sugar.
    Quite likely it was the recipe from the side of the can.
    I don't remember very much about them, because I refused to eat
    them.

    I don't think my mother liked them. I recall her making and eating
    mashed rutabaga at Thanksgiving. Nobody else seemed to like them.

    There's always that one dish on the Thanksgiving table. In my
    husband's family, it was creamed onions, which only my mother-in-law
    liked.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Dave Smith@adavid.smith@sympatico.ca to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 12:42:50 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25 11:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My grandmother (originally from Virginia, but that probably isn't
    a factor) baked canned sweet potatoes (in syrup) and put
    mini-marshmallows on top. It's possible she added brown sugar.
    Quite likely it was the recipe from the side of the can.
    I don't remember very much about them, because I refused to eat
    them.

    Wow. That sounds truly vile.
    I don't think my mother liked them. I recall her making and eating
    mashed rutabaga at Thanksgiving. Nobody else seemed to like them.


    My mother used to make that, turnips and the like. Her mother and sister
    liked it as did one of my brothers. I take a hard pass on it.



    There's always that one dish on the Thanksgiving table. In my
    husband's family, it was creamed onions, which only my mother-in-law
    liked.

    That's another on my mother used to do and I liked it.




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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 17:27:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 10:17:01 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    You want the food industry to add lots of sugar and HFCS to food
    because you're an intense kind of guy. Interesting.

    I don't want the food industry to do anything. I don't wish that the food industry
    would do anything. I don't have any control over the food industry. The food industry does whatever it wants to do - you silly, whiny, boy.
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 17:29:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 6:17 AM, dsi1 wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.
    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.

    You old farts really crack me up.
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 18:08:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:


    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.


    It is still sweet tasting.



    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing if not presumptuous.
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 18:34:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2025-08-25 11:53 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    My grandmother (originally from Virginia, but that probably isn't
    a factor) baked canned sweet potatoes (in syrup) and put
    mini-marshmallows on top. It's possible she added brown sugar.
    Quite likely it was the recipe from the side of the can.
    I don't remember very much about them, because I refused to eat
    them.

    Wow. That sounds truly vile.
    I don't think my mother liked them. I recall her making and eating
    mashed rutabaga at Thanksgiving. Nobody else seemed to like them.


    My mother used to make that, turnips and the like. Her mother and sister liked it as did one of my brothers. I take a hard pass on it.

    Pickled turnips are tasty.

    I've been thinking about roasting some of those things.

    There's always that one dish on the Thanksgiving table. In my
    husband's family, it was creamed onions, which only my mother-in-law
    liked.

    That's another on my mother used to do and I liked it.

    Boiled onions. Nasty.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 05:57:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 11:22:17 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >>> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.

    Or aging taste buds?
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 06:10:43 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 17:27:15 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 10:17:01 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >> >> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >> >sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >> >pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    You want the food industry to add lots of sugar and HFCS to food
    because you're an intense kind of guy. Interesting.

    I don't want the food industry to do anything. I don't wish that the food industry
    would do anything. I don't have any control over the food industry. The food >industry does whatever it wants to do - you silly, whiny, boy.

    When you add these childish little insults to a reply, I always assume
    I was right and hit a nerve.
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 06:12:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >> > sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >> > pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot
    alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good >idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that >I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing >if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 20:20:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I am a student of most cultures. Who invented roast sweet potatoes and how is
    at all relevant?

    Probably some unknown person or people in Central or South America.


    My question wasn't directed at you - you don't even know the answer to the question. Why even respond? Obviously, I was calling her bluff. I can pretty much do that with impunity on rfc.
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 15:39:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Bruce wrote on 8/25/2025 3:10 PM:
    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 17:27:15 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 10:17:01 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to >>>>> find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >>>>> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >>>> sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >>>> pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    You want the food industry to add lots of sugar and HFCS to food
    because you're an intense kind of guy. Interesting.

    I don't want the food industry to do anything. I don't wish that the food industry
    would do anything. I don't have any control over the food industry. The food >> industry does whatever it wants to do - you silly, whiny, boy.

    When you add these childish little insults to a reply, I always assume
    I was right and hit a nerve.


    It doesn't take much to piss off Uncle Tojo. He has extremely delicate
    asian skin.

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  • From Jill McQuown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 16:42:48 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 7:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I am a student of most cultures. Who invented roast sweet potatoes and how is
    at all relevant?

    Probably some unknown person or people in Central or South America.


    Then there were the blacks who were slaves, emulating dishes made with
    yams in Africa. Sweet potatoes were the closest thing to yams in the Americas.

    Jill
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  • From Jill McQuown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 16:46:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 1:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:

    On 8/24/2025 6:17 AM, dsi1 wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.
    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything. >>>> Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >>> sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >>> pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.

    You old farts really crack me up.


    You're not exactly a spring chicken, David.

    Jill
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 20:58:54 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >> > sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >> > pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot >> alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good >idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that >I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm
    not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 07:08:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 16:46:26 -0400, Jill McQuown
    <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 1:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial >>>> sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had >>>> pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me.

    Then you're a shitty cook.

    You old farts really crack me up.

    You're not exactly a spring chicken, David.

    He likes Wet Leg, so he must be young of mind compared to the Pat
    Boone population of RFC.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 07:10:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:58:54 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able >to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and >irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm >not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    I must have hit not one, but at least two nerves! Sorry, I'll try to
    be more careful next time. One doesn't want to overdo it.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 21:36:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot >> >> alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    Plain text is a notoriously poor medium for communicating nuances
    like sarcasm, which requires body language and tone of voice.

    Just write what you mean, if you're capable of it.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 21:37:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I am a student of most cultures. Who invented roast sweet potatoes and how is
    at all relevant?

    Probably some unknown person or people in Central or South America.


    My question wasn't directed at you - you don't even know the answer to the question. Why even respond? Obviously, I was calling her bluff. I can pretty much do that with impunity on rfc.

    Nobody knows, dumbass. It's the height of arrogance to think that _you_
    do.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 22:13:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:58:54 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and >irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm >not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    I must have hit not one, but at least two nerves! Sorry, I'll try to
    be more careful next time. One doesn't want to overdo it.

    You should be sorry. Once again you have overstepped your bounds. Didn't you learn anything when you were growing up? Here's a car I saw yesterday. Would this be your car?

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/kFFGCpaKpbN7gLbJA
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 22:27:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot
    alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and
    irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    Plain text is a notoriously poor medium for communicating nuances
    like sarcasm, which requires body language and tone of voice.

    Just write what you mean, if you're capable of it.

    You're ill-equipped to spot language nuances, sarcasm, facial expression,
    body language, and tone of voices. It ain't me, it's you. That's fine, I don't have any problem with people like you. OTOH, expecting me to change my behavior to suit your neural atypical wiring isn't going to happen.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/autism-spectrum-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20352928
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 08:32:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 21:36:34 -0000 (UTC), Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot >>> >> alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and >> irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm >> not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    Plain text is a notoriously poor medium for communicating nuances
    like sarcasm, which requires body language and tone of voice.

    Just write what you mean, if you're capable of it.

    And don't change what you "meant" if you don't like the initial
    feedback.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From songbird@songbird@anthive.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 18:34:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    ...
    My grandmother (originally from Virginia, but that probably isn't
    a factor) baked canned sweet potatoes (in syrup) and put
    mini-marshmallows on top. It's possible she added brown sugar.
    Quite likely it was the recipe from the side of the can.
    I don't remember very much about them, because I refused to eat
    them.

    i loved anything sweet so that was always a good dish
    for me.


    I don't think my mother liked them. I recall her making and eating
    mashed rutabaga at Thanksgiving. Nobody else seemed to like them.

    they're ok. butter helps.


    There's always that one dish on the Thanksgiving table. In my
    husband's family, it was creamed onions, which only my mother-in-law
    liked.

    i would likely enjoy that as we eat a lot of onions here.

    to me the favorite part of a turkey dinner besides the
    dark meat of the turkey was the stuffing. i don't often
    care what kind of stuffing as i'll usually enjoy it.
    cranberries, cornbread, pecans and maple syrup made one
    version almost like dessert right in there and i liked that
    too (it wasn't super sweet but you could tell it had the
    maple in there).

    my only real regrets around that meal is that i don't
    have a big enough stomach any more to really pack it in.
    my brother and sister-in-law do a great job with their
    TG dinners.


    songbird
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  • From songbird@songbird@anthive.com to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 18:36:15 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Ed P wrote:
    On 8/25/2025 7:07 AM, songbird wrote:
    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:
    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.
    ...
    I never buy marshmallows, but if they sold them pre-burnt, I'd buy a bag.

    a metal fork and a lighter works just fine. do not
    use your lips to take the marshmallow off the fork, but
    teeth alone don't mind.


    songbird
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 08:49:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 22:13:28 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:58:54 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and
    irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm >> >not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    I must have hit not one, but at least two nerves! Sorry, I'll try to
    be more careful next time. One doesn't want to overdo it.

    You should be sorry. Once again you have overstepped your bounds. Didn't you >learn anything when you were growing up? Here's a car I saw yesterday. Would >this be your car?

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/kFFGCpaKpbN7gLbJA

    I must be missing something. Why would this be a car for me?
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 01:22:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> posted:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:

    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird


    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    ~
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 01:31:34 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    My mother used to make that, turnips and the like. Her mother and sister liked it as did one of my brothers. I take a hard pass on it.


    My mother would do mashed turnips; they were pretty vile to me.

    ~
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 11:35:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 01:22:55 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> posted:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:

    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird


    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    Do you eat them as part of an otherwise savoury dinner or as a snack
    or dessert?
    --
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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 01:41:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> posted:

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.


    Shades of Ross Perot!

    ~
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 02:12:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in
    most cooking, except in desserts and sweets.

    I invite you to consider every bottled salad dressing on the shelf.
    Even most recipes include sugar.

    Ketchup. Barbecue sauce. Honey mustard. Barbecue rub. Miracle
    Whip.

    Ham. Bacon. Anything glazed. Lox.

    Potato salad. Cole slaw. Three-bean salad. Cucumber salad.

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.

    While a lot of things do have added sugar that don't need it, I manage
    to avoid most of it with cooking from scratch.

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.

    That said, I genuinely am not much into sweets. That doesn't mean I
    don't use them in the right amounts to get a proper bread rise or to
    make my rare batches of cookies. It tends to be honey instead of plain
    white sugar or might be karo or molassis.

    I made potatoes up for a salad tomorrow (cooked at same time as dinner,
    sitting in the fridge overnight and will make them up for lunch).

    While the recipe may shift a little, here's the basics:

    3 cups cubed cooked potatoes (reds, scrubbed but not peeled)
    1 small leek, cut to ringlits and separared
    3 mini bell peppers (red, yellow, orange)
    1 cubanelle pepper (green, slightly hot)
    2/3 cup small cubed sweet vidalia onion
    1/3 cup Hellmans mayo
    3 TB grainy brown mustard
    salt and pepper to taste
    (and TBD 1 other spice blend, might do a greek blend)

    That makes a savory, not sweet potato salad. Add more mayo and mustard
    if you want it more creamy.
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 02:15:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 8/24/2025 9:36 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show
    it.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in
    most cooking, except in desserts and sweets.

    I invite you to consider every bottled salad dressing on the shelf.
    Even most recipes include sugar.

    Ketchup. Barbecue sauce. Honey mustard. Barbecue rub. Miracle
    Whip.

    Ham. Bacon. Anything glazed. Lox.

    Potato salad. Cole slaw. Three-bean salad. Cucumber salad.

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.


    Thankfully, I've never eaten sweet potato casserole with marshmallows
    on top. And when I bake sweet potatoes, I treat them exactly like
    baked russet potatoes. Rubbed with butter, sprinkled with salt and
    inside after baking only salt & pepper and butter. Maybe a dab of
    sour cream. No added sugar. Sweet potatoes themselves have enough
    natural sugar, they don't need any sugar added.

    Jill

    Agreed, sweet enough which is why I don't really like them on any
    regular basis. That said, they might be suitable for use on oatmeal in
    place of fresh fruit if I were out. Hummm, might work!
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 12:25:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 02:12:00 -0000 (UTC), "Carol"
    <cshenk@virginia-beach.com> wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in
    most cooking, except in desserts and sweets.

    I invite you to consider every bottled salad dressing on the shelf.
    Even most recipes include sugar.

    Ketchup. Barbecue sauce. Honey mustard. Barbecue rub. Miracle
    Whip.

    Ham. Bacon. Anything glazed. Lox.

    Potato salad. Cole slaw. Three-bean salad. Cucumber salad.

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.

    While a lot of things do have added sugar that don't need it, I manage
    to avoid most of it with cooking from scratch.

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.

    That's it. Sugar isn't necessarily evil. It has its place in cookies,
    ice cream, you name it. But it shouldn't be hidden in prefab products
    that are supposed to be savoury.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.xxx to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 22:26:02 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 9:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 01:22:55 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> posted:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:

    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird


    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    Do you eat them as part of an otherwise savoury dinner or as a snack
    or dessert?

    Usually a snack around the campfire. Roasted on a stick.
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 02:34:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Michael Trew wrote:

    On 8/24/2025 12:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 12:42 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 11:23 AM, heyjoe wrote:


    Never had them at home but did not like they when I did have them
    boiled and mashed.

    Then I discovered baking and frying them.-a Now I have them
    sliced, spray with oil, air dry 20 minutes.-a Very tasty.


    Sweet potato fries have become popular around here. They are
    especially popular around the many Dutch people in the area. They
    like mayo with their fries and sweet potato fries are usually
    served with curry or chipotle mayo.

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school didn't actually cook food, they primarily reheated already prepared dishes.
    School lunches were awful, and they only got worse when Michelle
    Obama pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet
    potato fries (they did away with french fries from regular potatoes).
    I thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much better than
    sweet potatoes in a casserole.

    I got that vicariously through Charlotte. Her memories of USA school
    lunches are minimal as she was only in 1st grade stateside. After
    that, it was Japan for 7 years. As you can expect, it was pretty
    different there. A big one was kids had vegetarian options, something
    that didn't exist when I was a kid.
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to rec.food.cooking on Mon Aug 25 22:36:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 10:12 PM, Carol wrote:

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.


    I've had it in a coleslaw as it offset the cider vinegar, but less than
    what the recipe calls for. Agree on all the others.

    https://www.food.com/recipe/corkys-memphis-style-coleslaw-5418

    head green cabbage, cored and shredded (I used packaged cabbage such as angel-hair if I am short on time)
    2 medium-size carrots, peeled and grated
    1 green bell pepper, cored, seeded and finely diced
    2 tablespoons onions, grated
    2 cups prepared mayonnaise
    3rUa4 cup granulated sugar
    1rUa4 cup dijon-style mustard
    1rUa4 cup cider vinegar
    2 tablespoons celery seeds
    1 teaspoon salt
    1rUa8 teaspoon white pepper

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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 12:44:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 22:26:02 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 9:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 01:22:55 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> posted:

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:

    ...cooking marshmallows...
    No, just the regular kind. Cooking marshmallows are out of my
    budget. I'm taking donations, though, if you'd like to throw
    some cash my way.

    i like them best when they are lit on fire.


    songbird


    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    Do you eat them as part of an otherwise savoury dinner or as a snack
    or dessert?

    Usually a snack around the campfire. Roasted on a stick.

    Thanks.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 02:58:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 8/24/2025 5:21 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 12:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
    On 2025-08-24 12:42 p.m., Ed P wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 11:23 AM, heyjoe wrote:


    Never had them at home but did not like they when I did have
    them boiled and mashed.

    Then I discovered baking and frying them.-a Now I have them
    sliced, spray with oil, air dry 20 minutes.-a Very tasty.


    Sweet potato fries have become popular around here. They are
    especially popular around the many Dutch people in the area. They
    like mayo with their fries and sweet potato fries are usually
    served with curry or chipotle mayo.

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school
    didn't actually cook food, they primarily reheated already
    prepared dishes. School lunches were awful, and they only got
    worse when Michelle Obama pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet
    potato fries (they did away with french fries from regular
    potatoes).-a I thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much
    better than sweet potatoes in a casserole.

    I suppose you're lucky they served sweet potato fries.

    I mostly brought my lunch to school in a lunch box. I have no idea
    what the "lunch ladies" were serving. Back in the day no one freaked
    out if you brought a peanut butter sandwich and a thermos of milk.

    Jill

    When we came back stateside, Charlotte brought her lunch. It was a
    thing the 'cool kids did', or so she told me. Michelle Obama meant
    well but did it wrong.

    The kids with home grown lunches would bring extra to 'trade' and
    Charlotte's 'rice ball treats' (golfball sized with a surprize center)
    were very much in demand (grin).
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 05:31:04 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking, except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.


    I agree. Sugar is natural. I can't say the same about artificial
    sweeteners.
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 05:52:39 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 01:22:55 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net
    <user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    Do you eat them as part of an otherwise savoury dinner or as a snack
    or dessert?


    I always ate them on a willow stick or straightened coat hanger, around
    a campfire...usually with hot dogs, cooked the same way.
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 16:16:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 26 Aug 2025 05:31:04 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.

    I agree. Sugar is natural. I can't say the same about artificial
    sweeteners.

    A coconut on your head is also natural.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 16:17:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 26 Aug 2025 05:52:39 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
    <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    On 2025-08-26, Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 01:22:55 GMT, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net >><user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    They are very tasty when charred black and the inside is gooey.

    Do you eat them as part of an otherwise savoury dinner or as a snack
    or dessert?


    I always ate them on a willow stick or straightened coat hanger, around
    a campfire...usually with hot dogs, cooked the same way.

    The ingredients might be similar anyway.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 08:54:23 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> posted:

    On 2025-08-25, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Mon, 25 Aug 2025 18:08:43 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    On 2025-08-25 6:17 a.m., dsi1 wrote:

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial
    sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had
    pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    It is still sweet tasting.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland
    food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.
    Sugar makes it less bland? When everything is sweet it all tastes a lot
    alike, and that is not far off being bland.

    I agree that Americans love a lot of sugar in their food. I don't advocate that
    Americans consume even more sugar in their diet - that's probably not a good
    idea. I don't care for bland food - somehow, you guys take that to mean that
    I use a lot of sugar in my cooking. That's pretty presumptuous. rfc is nothing
    if not presumptuous.

    Maybe you should learn to say what you mean rather than what you don't
    mean.

    Maybe you should learn how to read English and quit jumping the gun. Being less
    presumptuous would also help. Mostly you believe what you want to believe. Maybe
    I should just stop responding to your silly, excitable, posts.

    OTOH, a lot of the time I'll say the exact opposite of what I mean. Being able
    to read between the lines, having a sense of humor, and spotting sarcasm and
    irony, would be useful in understanding my posts. Sorry about that but I'm >> > not going to dumb down my posts just so you can understand it. Life is not fair.

    Plain text is a notoriously poor medium for communicating nuances
    like sarcasm, which requires body language and tone of voice.

    Just write what you mean, if you're capable of it.

    You're ill-equipped to spot language nuances, sarcasm, facial expression, body language, and tone of voices. It ain't me, it's you. That's fine, I don't
    have any problem with people like you. OTOH, expecting me to change my behavior
    to suit your neural atypical wiring isn't going to happen.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/autism-spectrum-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20352928

    If you think you can diagnose autism over Usenet, you're dumber
    than I thought.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 08:57:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    to me the favorite part of a turkey dinner besides the
    dark meat of the turkey was the stuffing.

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 09:01:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, Carol <cshenk@virginia-beach.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in
    most cooking, except in desserts and sweets.

    I invite you to consider every bottled salad dressing on the shelf.
    Even most recipes include sugar.

    Ketchup. Barbecue sauce. Honey mustard. Barbecue rub. Miracle
    Whip.

    Ham. Bacon. Anything glazed. Lox.

    Potato salad. Cole slaw. Three-bean salad. Cucumber salad.

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.

    While a lot of things do have added sugar that don't need it, I manage
    to avoid most of it with cooking from scratch.

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.

    That said, I genuinely am not much into sweets. That doesn't mean I
    don't use them in the right amounts to get a proper bread rise or to
    make my rare batches of cookies. It tends to be honey instead of plain
    white sugar or might be karo or molassis.

    I made potatoes up for a salad tomorrow (cooked at same time as dinner, sitting in the fridge overnight and will make them up for lunch).

    While the recipe may shift a little, here's the basics:

    3 cups cubed cooked potatoes (reds, scrubbed but not peeled)
    1 small leek, cut to ringlits and separared
    3 mini bell peppers (red, yellow, orange)
    1 cubanelle pepper (green, slightly hot)
    2/3 cup small cubed sweet vidalia onion
    1/3 cup Hellmans mayo
    3 TB grainy brown mustard
    salt and pepper to taste
    (and TBD 1 other spice blend, might do a greek blend)

    That makes a savory, not sweet potato salad. Add more mayo and mustard
    if you want it more creamy.

    You lost me at peppers.

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother.

    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 09:04:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
    On 8/25/2025 10:12 PM, Carol wrote:

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.


    I've had it in a coleslaw as it offset the cider vinegar, but less than
    what the recipe calls for. Agree on all the others.

    https://www.food.com/recipe/corkys-memphis-style-coleslaw-5418

    head green cabbage, cored and shredded (I used packaged cabbage such as angel-hair if I am short on time)
    2 medium-size carrots, peeled and grated
    1 green bell pepper, cored, seeded and finely diced
    2 tablespoons onions, grated
    2 cups prepared mayonnaise
    3rUa4 cup granulated sugar
    1rUa4 cup dijon-style mustard
    1rUa4 cup cider vinegar
    2 tablespoons celery seeds
    1 teaspoon salt
    1rUa8 teaspoon white pepper

    That's too much sugar for me. I'd use a couple of tablespoons.
    And no mustard.

    And you, too, lost me at bell pepper.

    Usually I just use lemon juice, red-wine vinegar, or cider vinegar; extra-virgin olive oil, salt, and pepper. Easy enough to make a
    single serving.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 09:46:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother.

    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper


    Potatoes (Russet)
    Large diced hard boiled eggs (same amount as number of potatoes)
    Can of black olives (halved)
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Yellow mustard
    Salt

    I hate to create dishes with more than six ingredients. ;)

    Wait! I forgot to mention the diced dill pickles to taste. Damn!
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  • From songbird@songbird@anthive.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 06:05:26 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn webtv.net wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    My mother used to make that, turnips and the like. Her mother and sister
    liked it as did one of my brothers. I take a hard pass on it.


    My mother would do mashed turnips; they were pretty vile to me.

    frying them in a pan to get a bit of brown on them
    makes them very good to me, but i do know that some
    people have an adversion to them as they can have a
    bitter or different taste than what i experience. to
    me they are kinda like cooked cabbage, broccoli and
    cauliflower (all things i like).


    songbird
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 10:13:33 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.


    I agree. Sugar is natural. I can't say the same about artificial
    sweeteners.
    It depends on how you look at things. Sucking on a piece of sugar cane might be
    natural. Pouring a spoonful of highly refined white crystals into your coffee in the morning doesn't sound all that natural to me.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 20:40:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 10:13:33 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:

    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show it.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in most cooking,
    except in desserts and sweets. That's kind of a goofy notion. I can't say how
    that idea came about. You need a balance of flavors in a dish or there's going
    to be a big, unnatural, taste to the dish you're preparing. Saying a food has a
    secret stash of sugar is kind of paranoid. Mostly, the worst thing you can say
    about sugar in food is that a preparation is too sweet.

    I agree. Sugar is natural. I can't say the same about artificial
    sweeteners.
    It depends on how you look at things. Sucking on a piece of sugar cane might be
    natural. Pouring a spoonful of highly refined white crystals into your coffee >in the morning doesn't sound all that natural to me.

    So we agree. But I thought you were an intense guy! Or was that
    sarcasm I missed?
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Leonard Blaisdell@leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 11:01:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8


    Is your Mom second from the left at the bottom of the picture?
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  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 13:07:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-26, Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
    On 2025-08-26, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother.

    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper


    Potatoes (Russet)
    Large diced hard boiled eggs (same amount as number of potatoes)
    Can of black olives (halved)
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Yellow mustard
    Salt

    I hate to create dishes with more than six ingredients. ;)

    Man's gotta have standards.

    I don't think I have an ingredient limit, as such. I routinely
    do a curry that has about 20 ingredients.

    Wait! I forgot to mention the diced dill pickles to taste. Damn!

    I seem to recall my grandmother put sliced hard-boiled eggs on the top, sprinkled with paprika. I don't bother about that.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Ed P@esp@snet.n to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 09:25:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/26/2025 5:04 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-08-26, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
    On 8/25/2025 10:12 PM, Carol wrote:

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.


    I've had it in a coleslaw as it offset the cider vinegar, but less than
    what the recipe calls for. Agree on all the others.

    https://www.food.com/recipe/corkys-memphis-style-coleslaw-5418

    head green cabbage, cored and shredded (I used packaged cabbage such as
    angel-hair if I am short on time)
    2 medium-size carrots, peeled and grated
    1 green bell pepper, cored, seeded and finely diced
    2 tablespoons onions, grated
    2 cups prepared mayonnaise
    3rUa4 cup granulated sugar
    1rUa4 cup dijon-style mustard
    1rUa4 cup cider vinegar
    2 tablespoons celery seeds
    1 teaspoon salt
    1rUa8 teaspoon white pepper

    That's too much sugar for me. I'd use a couple of tablespoons.
    And no mustard.

    And you, too, lost me at bell pepper.

    Usually I just use lemon juice, red-wine vinegar, or cider vinegar; extra-virgin olive oil, salt, and pepper. Easy enough to make a
    single serving.

    I change the recipe. Cut the sugar and leave out the bell pepper, 1
    carrot.
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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 21:09:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8


    Is your Mom second from the left at the bottom of the picture?

    She's in the middle of the bottom row. That girl on her right has an
    oddly fascinating curl on her head. Where did this come from? They look
    like quite a pair.
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Wed Aug 27 07:51:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 21:09:22 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8


    Is your Mom second from the left at the bottom of the picture?

    She's in the middle of the bottom row. That girl on her right has an
    oddly fascinating curl on her head. Where did this come from? They look
    like quite a pair.

    Is the curl a bug or a feature? I think a feature.
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Jill McQuown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 19:05:55 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 9:31 PM, ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote:

    Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> posted:

    My mother used to make that, turnips and the like. Her mother and sister
    liked it as did one of my brothers. I take a hard pass on it.


    My mother would do mashed turnips; they were pretty vile to me.

    ~

    My mother used to sneak turnips into very brothy beef stew. It was my
    German grandmother's recipe. The turnips looked like potatoes until you
    bit into one. No! But back on topic, there was no added sugar.

    The other thing she did was make a combination of boiled carrots and
    turnips, mashed. Only she and my dad ate those. Again, no added sugar.
    But carrots do tend to taste naturally sweet without sugar.

    Jill
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  • From Jill McQuown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 19:22:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/26/2025 4:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-08-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    to me the favorite part of a turkey dinner besides the
    dark meat of the turkey was the stuffing.

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.

    I rarely think about my ex-husband or his mother's cooking but when you mentioned wet Thanksgiving dressing/stuffing, a horrific memory comes
    back. I don't know what she did to the allegedly baked in a glass
    baking dish in the oven, but that dressing was awful. You could run a
    spoon through it after she took it out of the oven and it parted like
    the Red Sea, then filled back again. It was a wet gloppy mess and their family loved it. It was disgusting.

    Use whatever bread you like but please, don't make it runny like that.

    Jill
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  • From heyjoe@nobody@home.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Wed Aug 27 00:02:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The other thing she did was make a combination of boiled carrots and turnips, mashed.

    Thanks, but NO thanks. More for those that enjoy that stuff.


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  • From ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net@user4742@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Wed Aug 27 00:15:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

    On 8/26/2025 4:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.


    Shhhhhhudder!


    I rarely think about my ex-husband or his mother's cooking but when you mentioned wet Thanksgiving dressing/stuffing, a horrific memory comes
    back. I don't know what she did to the allegedly baked in a glass
    baking dish in the oven, but that dressing was awful. You could run a
    spoon through it after she took it out of the oven and it parted like
    the Red Sea, then filled back again. It was a wet gloppy mess and their family loved it. It was disgusting.

    Jill


    Double shhhhhhhhudder!!

    Both versions sound absolutely disgusting and I'd have no qualms
    in turning down either invitation.

    ~
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 19:27:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote on 8/26/2025 6:22 PM:

    On 8/26/2025 4:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family.



    I rarely think about my ex-husband

    That's a goddamn lie. It's a memory your Majesty cannot ever forget.


    or his mother's cooking

    Yes, she should shoulder the WHOLE blame too, your Highness.

    but when you
    mentioned wet Thanksgiving dressing/stuffing, a horrific memory comes
    back.

    Those type memories are all your Majesty seems to have.

    a I don't know what she did to the allegedly baked in a glass
    baking dish in the oven, but that dressing was awful.

    Maybe the old woman was so stressed from your hounding her, she pissed
    and shit in the dish out of spite?

    It was disgusting.


    And SHE pissed you off more than anything else, right?
    It only increased your bitterness and hatred. And you still retain it.
    You will never shake that hatred.

    Use whatever bread you like but please, don't make it runny like that.

    Jill

    Thank you. That is most gracious, your Majesty.

    I think I'll use cornbread. Will that be alright?

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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Tue Aug 26 19:45:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    ItsJoanNotJoAnn@webtv.net wrote on 8/26/2025 7:15 PM:

    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> posted:

    On 8/26/2025 4:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.


    Shhhhhhudder!


    I rarely think about my ex-husband or his mother's cooking but when you
    mentioned wet Thanksgiving dressing/stuffing, a horrific memory comes
    back. I don't know what she did to the allegedly baked in a glass
    baking dish in the oven, but that dressing was awful. You could run a
    spoon through it after she took it out of the oven and it parted like
    the Red Sea, then filled back again. It was a wet gloppy mess and their
    family loved it. It was disgusting.

    Jill


    Double shhhhhhhhudder!!

    Both versions sound absolutely disgusting and I'd have no qualms
    in turning down either invitation.


    Her Majesty had no choice! She was a young innocent, blushing bride and
    was forced to attend her evil mother-in-law's disgusting dinner.

    And, her Highness STILL hasn't gotten revenge for that wrong.

    But don't worry, she's as tenacious as president trump, so she will
    certainly deliver retribution.

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  • From dsi1@user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Thu Aug 28 09:48:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 21:09:22 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8


    Is your Mom second from the left at the bottom of the picture?

    She's in the middle of the bottom row. That girl on her right has an
    oddly fascinating curl on her head. Where did this come from? They look >like quite a pair.

    Is the curl a bug or a feature? I think a feature.

    Personally, I think it's super, man. The three girls in the middle are closer to each other than the others in the picture. My guess is they were BFFs.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W2IBMuerBHY
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  • From Bruce@Bruce@invalid.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Thu Aug 28 20:27:29 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On Thu, 28 Aug 2025 09:48:31 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Bruce <Bruce@invalid.invalid> posted:

    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 21:09:22 GMT, dsi1
    <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:


    Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> posted:

    On 2025-08-26, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/46Dbys43DWTh4Eeg8


    Is your Mom second from the left at the bottom of the picture?

    She's in the middle of the bottom row. That girl on her right has an
    oddly fascinating curl on her head. Where did this come from? They look
    like quite a pair.

    Is the curl a bug or a feature? I think a feature.

    Personally, I think it's super, man. The three girls in the middle are closer >to each other than the others in the picture. My guess is they were BFFs.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/W2IBMuerBHY

    Yes, they're shoulder to shoulder. But which generation uses "super"
    like that? I understand "groovy", but I could be too old for "super".
    --
    Bruce <https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/gettyimages-681946574-20250717233334800.jpg>
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  • From Jill McQuown@j_mcquown@comcast.net to rec.food.cooking on Thu Aug 28 15:07:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/26/2025 8:02 PM, heyjoe wrote:
    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The other thing she did was make a combination of boiled carrots and
    turnips, mashed.

    Thanks, but NO thanks. More for those that enjoy that stuff.


    Totally agree! My parents were the only ones who ate it.

    Jill
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  • From .@.@........com to rec.food.cooking on Thu Aug 28 18:21:07 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 8:02 PM, heyjoe wrote:
    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The other thing she did was make a combination of boiled carrots and
    turnips, mashed.

    Thanks, but NO thanks.-a More for those that enjoy that stuff.


    Totally agree!-a My parents were the only ones who ate it.

    Jill


    Reckon your pappy ate pussy?
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  • From Hank Rogers@Hank@nospam.invalid to rec.food.cooking on Thu Aug 28 21:19:51 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    . wrote on 8/28/2025 5:21 PM:
    Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/26/2025 8:02 PM, heyjoe wrote:
    Jill McQuown <j_mcquown@comcast.net> wrote:

    The other thing she did was make a combination of boiled carrots and
    turnips, mashed.

    Thanks, but NO thanks.-a More for those that enjoy that stuff.


    Totally agree!-a My parents were the only ones who ate it.

    Jill


    Reckon your pappy ate pussy?

    Hell, the man was a US Marine.

    What do you think?


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  • From Michael Trew@michael.trew@att.net to rec.food.cooking on Fri Aug 29 12:35:08 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 6:17 AM, dsi1 wrote:

    Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> posted:
    Anything is OK in moderation. The problem is, that it's difficult to
    find food without sugar added, unless you're scratch cooking everything.
    Most people don't want to be bothered, hence the lower quality
    prepared foods that still sell off of the shelves.

    I've been seeing a trend of lower sugar/calories in modern foods that appeals to
    the younger generation. The new foods have a mix of sugar and artificial sweeteners to reduce calories. The fruit bar that I had this morning had pineapple, passion fruit, and caffeine. It was okay - if you like modern food.

    Moderation in food pretty much means bland food to me. I'm not a fan of bland food. I'm more of an intense kind of guy.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/9WYibAmNsvYsMoUJ8

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/PYnrLJiS8coHGZ7T7

    Wrong kind of moderation. I have no problem with intense food, but I
    probably don't want a lot of it, just a sampling.
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  • From Michael Trew@michael.trew@att.net to rec.food.cooking on Fri Aug 29 12:45:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/25/2025 10:34 PM, Carol wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school didn't
    actually cook food, they primarily reheated already prepared dishes.
    School lunches were awful, and they only got worse when Michelle
    Obama pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet
    potato fries (they did away with french fries from regular potatoes).
    I thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much better than
    sweet potatoes in a casserole.

    I got that vicariously through Charlotte. Her memories of USA school
    lunches are minimal as she was only in 1st grade stateside. After
    that, it was Japan for 7 years. As you can expect, it was pretty
    different there. A big one was kids had vegetarian options, something
    that didn't exist when I was a kid.

    When I see people on the internet share school lunches from other
    countries, I'm always surprised. They look so much tastier than the
    frozen garbage that they heat up for US kids. We certainly didn't have
    a vegetarian option or anything of the like, there were a couple
    options, and a cheese sandwich if nothing else looked good (it wasn't
    good, either).
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  • From Michael Trew@michael.trew@att.net to rec.food.cooking on Fri Aug 29 12:47:36 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/24/2025 5:48 PM, Jill McQuown wrote:
    On 8/24/2025 5:21 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school didn't
    actually cook food, they primarily reheated already prepared dishes.
    School lunches were awful, and they only got worse when Michelle Obama
    pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet potato
    fries (they did away with french fries from regular potatoes).-a I
    thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much better than sweet
    potatoes in a casserole.

    I suppose you're lucky they served sweet potato fries.

    I mostly brought my lunch to school in a lunch box.-a I have no idea what the "lunch ladies" were serving.-a Back in the day no one freaked out if
    you brought a peanut butter sandwich and a thermos of milk.

    I haven't made sweet potato fries since. Maybe I had them at a
    restaurant once. I should try that.

    Sophia still goes to a private school. Mondays are always pack lunch
    days. I've had no issue sending her with a peanut butter sandwich.
    Peanut butter sandwiches were served as an option when I was in primary school.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Michael Trew@michael.trew@att.net to rec.food.cooking on Fri Aug 29 12:54:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 8/26/2025 5:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother
    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper

    The mayo ruins it for me. My grandmother always made it thin, usually
    nothing more than potatoes, onions, oil/vinegar and salt/pep. I'm told
    this is called "German potato salad". Served hot or cold.

    We make coleslaw the same way. The cabbage and carrot is usually diced
    up, but sometimes it's shredded. Maybe that's a regional thing.
    --- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
  • From Cindy Hamilton@chamilton5280@invalid.com to rec.food.cooking on Fri Aug 29 17:09:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    On 2025-08-29, Michael Trew <michael.trew@att.net> wrote:
    On 8/25/2025 10:34 PM, Carol wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school didn't
    actually cook food, they primarily reheated already prepared dishes.
    School lunches were awful, and they only got worse when Michelle
    Obama pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet
    potato fries (they did away with french fries from regular potatoes).
    I thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much better than
    sweet potatoes in a casserole.

    I got that vicariously through Charlotte. Her memories of USA school
    lunches are minimal as she was only in 1st grade stateside. After
    that, it was Japan for 7 years. As you can expect, it was pretty
    different there. A big one was kids had vegetarian options, something
    that didn't exist when I was a kid.

    When I see people on the internet share school lunches from other
    countries, I'm always surprised. They look so much tastier than the
    frozen garbage that they heat up for US kids. We certainly didn't have
    a vegetarian option or anything of the like, there were a couple
    options, and a cheese sandwich if nothing else looked good (it wasn't
    good, either).

    As usual, you're too young. You probably would have loved the
    cafeteria food I got in junior high and high school. (Kids
    were expected to go home for lunch when I was in grade school,
    since everybody but me had a mother at home.)

    I'd eat the foreign kids' school lunches in a hot minute, even as
    an adult.
    --
    Cindy Hamilton
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 02:23:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    to me the favorite part of a turkey dinner besides the
    dark meat of the turkey was the stuffing.

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.

    One thing I do really well is a stuffing. I even make the bread
    special for it with with lots of seasoning herbs just right. I also do
    smaller batches of croutons or crumbs as a default side product of
    being a baker who makes bread every 4 days or so. Can't wait to get
    back to it! 2 more weeks...
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 02:23:42 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Jill McQuown wrote:

    On 8/26/2025 4:57 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
    On 2025-08-25, songbird <songbird@anthive.com> wrote:

    to me the favorite part of a turkey dinner besides the
    dark meat of the turkey was the stuffing.

    I didn't care much for stuffing until I married into my husband's
    family. My family's recipe sucked. Too wet, and the onions
    and celery were never cooked through. His family sautes the
    onions and celery. They make it from fresh bread rather than
    pouring hot water over stale bread.

    I rarely think about my ex-husband or his mother's cooking but when
    you mentioned wet Thanksgiving dressing/stuffing, a horrific memory
    comes back. I don't know what she did to the allegedly baked in a
    glass baking dish in the oven, but that dressing was awful. You
    could run a spoon through it after she took it out of the oven and it
    parted like the Red Sea, then filled back again. It was a wet gloppy
    mess and their family loved it. It was disgusting.

    Use whatever bread you like but please, don't make it runny like that.

    Jill

    EWWWW!!!
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 02:46:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Ed P wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 10:12 PM, Carol wrote:

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.


    I've had it in a coleslaw as it offset the cider vinegar, but less
    than what the recipe calls for. Agree on all the others.

    I don't use any vinegar in potato salad or coleslaw so no need to
    adjust with sugar.


    https://www.food.com/recipe/corkys-memphis-style-coleslaw-5418

    head green cabbage, cored and shredded (I used packaged cabbage such
    as angel-hair if I am short on time) 2 medium-size carrots, peeled
    and grated 1 green bell pepper, cored, seeded and finely diced
    2 tablespoons onions, grated
    2 cups prepared mayonnaise
    3rUa4 cup granulated sugar
    1rUa4 cup dijon-style mustard
    1rUa4 cup cider vinegar
    2 tablespoons celery seeds
    1 teaspoon salt
    1rUa8 teaspoon white pepper

    Sorry a total NO from me. Remove the sugar and vinegar and reduce the
    mayo to more sane levels. The same amount of celery seeds as minced
    onion? It reads like 'coleslaw mayo soup' to me.

    I'll have to make coleslaw tomorrow to show the difference. I don't
    seem to have a picture of it after many computers have died over the
    years.
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 02:59:35 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-26, Carol <cshenk@virginia-beach.com> wrote:
    Cindy Hamilton wrote:

    On 2025-08-24, dsi1 <user4746@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:

    Ed P <esp@snet.n> posted:


    Ever wonder how much sugar is in the foods we buy? This show
    it. >> >>



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/27-comparison-photos-that-put-things-in-perspective/ss-AA1D6I3I?#image=5

    Americans tend to think that sugar is not a natural addition in
    most cooking, except in desserts and sweets.

    I invite you to consider every bottled salad dressing on the shelf.
    Even most recipes include sugar.

    Ketchup. Barbecue sauce. Honey mustard. Barbecue rub. Miracle
    Whip.

    Ham. Bacon. Anything glazed. Lox.

    Potato salad. Cole slaw. Three-bean salad. Cucumber salad.

    Sweet potato casserole with marshmallows on top, for Christ's sake.

    While a lot of things do have added sugar that don't need it, I
    manage to avoid most of it with cooking from scratch.

    Sugar doesn't belong in potato salad or coleslaw! ICK! It doesn't
    belong in cucumber salad, good bacon, 3bean salad etc. either.

    That said, I genuinely am not much into sweets. That doesn't mean I
    don't use them in the right amounts to get a proper bread rise or to
    make my rare batches of cookies. It tends to be honey instead of
    plain white sugar or might be karo or molassis.

    I made potatoes up for a salad tomorrow (cooked at same time as
    dinner, sitting in the fridge overnight and will make them up for
    lunch).

    While the recipe may shift a little, here's the basics:

    3 cups cubed cooked potatoes (reds, scrubbed but not peeled)
    1 small leek, cut to ringlits and separared
    3 mini bell peppers (red, yellow, orange)
    1 cubanelle pepper (green, slightly hot)
    2/3 cup small cubed sweet vidalia onion
    1/3 cup Hellmans mayo
    3 TB grainy brown mustard
    salt and pepper to taste
    (and TBD 1 other spice blend, might do a greek blend)

    That makes a savory, not sweet potato salad. Add more mayo and
    mustard if you want it more creamy.

    You lost me at peppers.

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother.

    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper

    Reasonably close enough to eat. Typo above in my recipe, not 2/3 cup
    onion but 1/3 cup onion.

    It varies with my mood but zero vinegar or sugar. It turns out Don
    hated potato salad and coleslaw for ages until he met me. He hates
    vinegar except in very limited amounts. It gives him really bad
    indigestion.
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 03:23:44 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

    On 2025-08-26, Cindy Hamilton <chamilton5280@invalid.com> wrote:

    I don't do quantities, since I learned to make potato salad by
    watching my grandmother.

    Potatoes
    Onions
    Celery
    Sliced pimiento-stuffed green olives
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Vinegar to thin
    A touch of sugar to tamp down the sour. Just a touch.
    Yellow mustard
    Salt
    Pepper


    Potatoes (Russet)
    Large diced hard boiled eggs (same amount as number of potatoes)
    Can of black olives (halved)
    Dressing:
    Mayo
    Yellow mustard
    Salt

    I hate to create dishes with more than six ingredients. ;)

    Wait! I forgot to mention the diced dill pickles to taste. Damn!

    Grin, I've had that one. Not bad. I don't normally add eggs to it or
    pickles, but tend to black olives if handy.

    I use yukon or red potatos for these things. I've had too many turn to
    'mashed potato salad' due to overcooking russets.
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  • From Carol@cshenk@virginia-beach.com to rec.food.cooking on Sat Aug 30 03:45:27 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.food.cooking

    Michael Trew wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 10:34 PM, Carol wrote:
    Michael Trew wrote:

    Unlike my parents and grandparents, the lunch ladies at school
    didn't actually cook food, they primarily reheated already
    prepared dishes. School lunches were awful, and they only got
    worse when Michelle Obama pushed her school lunch program.

    The only thing that came good out of that ordeal were the sweet
    potato fries (they did away with french fries from regular
    potatoes). I thought the sweet potato fries were tasty, and much
    better than sweet potatoes in a casserole.

    I got that vicariously through Charlotte. Her memories of USA
    school lunches are minimal as she was only in 1st grade stateside.
    After that, it was Japan for 7 years. As you can expect, it was
    pretty different there. A big one was kids had vegetarian options, something that didn't exist when I was a kid.

    When I see people on the internet share school lunches from other
    countries, I'm always surprised. They look so much tastier than the
    frozen garbage that they heat up for US kids. We certainly didn't
    have a vegetarian option or anything of the like, there were a couple options, and a cheese sandwich if nothing else looked good (it wasn't
    good, either).

    I shudder to think of what the school lunches under Michelle Obama were
    like. She apparently didn't get it that her foods only worked fresh
    prepared but that no longer existed.

    In Japan, 2 of the 4 most common religions are vegetarian. To not
    offer the kids an acceptable vegetarian option would be anathma. I'm
    not saying vegan as they seemed not into that. As we came back
    stateside, the 'cool kids' brought real food for lunch and shared bits
    about. It seemed to work.
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