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"Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:10bh5b8$3rfio$1@dont-email.me...
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
--
Bob La Londe
---------------------------------- https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/kroil-compared-to-pb- blaster.268561/
ATF + acetone came out best. I've had good results quickly from Kroil
but not on a steel bolt in cast aluminum. Those threads didn't break
free after being drilled out and tapped the same size.
"A study done by Machinist's Workshop magazine in their April 2007 issue looked at different penetrating oils to see which one did the best job
of removing a rusted bolt by measuring the pounds of torque required to loosen the bolt once treated. If the study was scientifically accurate,
it turns out a home brew works best!
Here's the summary of the test results:
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ...................... 516 pounds
WD-40 ................... 238 pounds
PB Blaster .............. 214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............. 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds"
You might be able to inspect the cylinders with a fiber cam. This one
gives me a good sharp image and can inspect bores almost down to 5.5mm,
most have 8mm camera heads. https://www.amazon.com/DEPSTECH-Industrial-Inspection-Waterproof-Semi- Rigid/dp/B094XGX6GQ/ref=sr_1_6?
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
On 9/30/2025 12:51 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel
Mystery Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to
reduce the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the
engine.
-aFrom what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake
oil and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the
rings with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one
before. I have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so
there will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd
prefer to sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with
it, but I see no reason not to do little things to help that happen as
time permits. Eventually being able to get compression on all
cylinders might help... unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
-a That ATF/acetone mix is known as "Ed's Red" and it works great for rusted/stuck bolts and such - some add a bit of lanolin . Have you even tried to turn the motor over ? It might surprise you , as dry as the
climate is out there I doubt rust would be a problem . If it turns you
can check compression for a quick read on stuck/not stuck rings .
I was more concerned with volatiles in the ATF or acetone causing other problem.Bob La Londe
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits.
Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help...
unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil
is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they
have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved >concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. >Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... >unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 16:06:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery
Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil >>> and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put
the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings
with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I
have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine
that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there
will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see
no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits.
Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help...
unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking
the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil
is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they
have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved
concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
I used 40 and 50 years ago.
On 10/9/2025 8:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:I have both Canadian and American - was quite some time we could not
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 16:06:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery >>>> Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce
the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine.
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil >>>> and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put >>>> the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings >>>> with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I >>>> have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine >>>> that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there >>>> will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to
sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see >>>> no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. >>>> Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... >>>> unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking >>>> the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil
is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they
have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved
concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
I used 40 and 50 years ago.
Have you compared the ingredient list - or msds- between Canadian and
USA formulations ? A lot of consumer chemicals have been californicated
in the last few years ... and not for the betterment of the product .
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:12:34 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 10/9/2025 8:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:I have both Canadian and American - was quite some time we could not
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 16:06:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what >>> I used 40 and 50 years ago.
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time???
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery >>>>> Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce >>>>> the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine. >>>>>
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put >>>>> the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings >>>>> with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I >>>>> have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine >>>>> that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there >>>>> will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to >>>>> sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see >>>>> no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. >>>>> Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... >>>>> unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking >>>>> the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil >>>> is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they >>>> have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved
concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
Have you compared the ingredient list - or msds- between Canadian and
USA formulations ? A lot of consumer chemicals have been californicated
in the last few years ... and not for the betterment of the product .
buy it here because it didn't have french labels - they are the same -
and the American stuff is about 10 years old
What worked 60 years ago in a REALLY badly seized Wisconsin VG4 on a
swather was about 16 oz of diesel fuel and an ounce of "oil of
wintergreen" purchaced from the local pharmacy. ...
On 10/9/2025 10:18 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:The canadian container isa less than 6 months old.
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:12:34 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 10/9/2025 8:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:I have both Canadian and American - was quite some time we could not
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 16:06:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what >>>> I used 40 and 50 years ago.
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time??? >>>>>>
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery >>>>>> Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce >>>>>> the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine. >>>>>>
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put >>>>>> the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings >>>>>> with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I >>>>>> have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine >>>>>> that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there >>>>>> will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to >>>>>> sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see >>>>>> no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. >>>>>> Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... >>>>>> unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking >>>>>> the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil >>>>> is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they >>>>> have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved
concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
Have you compared the ingredient list - or msds- between Canadian and >>> USA formulations ? A lot of consumer chemicals have been californicated
in the last few years ... and not for the betterment of the product .
buy it here because it didn't have french labels - they are the same -
and the American stuff is about 10 years old
Check the label on a container of current production and get back to
me ... It's not a product i use very often . I think I've bought 2
quarts in the last 30 years or so .
On 10/9/2025 10:18 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:The latest has a synthetic oil base instead of regular dyno
On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 21:12:34 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
On 10/9/2025 8:22 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:I have both Canadian and American - was quite some time we could not
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 16:06:08 -0700, Bob La Londe <none@none.com99>
wrote:
On 9/30/2025 10:51 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:I still use MMO and have current stock - seams to be the same as what >>>> I used 40 and 50 years ago.
Good Soak For Rings In an Engine That's Been Sitting A Long Time??? >>>>>>
When I was a kid everybody said to dump a table spoon of Marvel Mystery >>>>>> Oil down each spark plug hole amd let it set for a few days to reduce >>>>>> the risk of cracking a ring when you start trying to move the engine. >>>>>>
From what I've heard and read they changed the formula of the snake oil
and is not so good anymore. I don't know.
Yesterday I heard a new one. Dump a mix of ATF and acetone in, and put >>>>>> the spark plug back so the acetone will force the ATF through the rings >>>>>> with pressure as it turns to vapor. I've never heard that one before. I >>>>>> have some reservations.
I've got a 42 GPW (that was my dads) Jeep with a newer M38 Jeep engine >>>>>> that eventually I'd like to sell. Its been parked for 40 years so there >>>>>> will certainly be some tendency for the rings to stick. I'd prefer to >>>>>> sell as is and let somebody more expert than me deal with it, but I see >>>>>> no reason not to do little things to help that happen as time permits. >>>>>> Eventually being able to get compression on all cylinders might help... >>>>>> unless its bad of course.
Anyway I'd like to hear what you guys know or have heard about soaking >>>>>> the rings in a sitting engine before trying to turn it over.
Acetone and ATF were by and large the biggest agent suggested with
Marvel Mystery Oil being a close second. This doesn't mean Mystery Oil >>>>> is still good. Nearly all of those who said they used it admitted they >>>>> have an old can that may not be the same as the new stuff.
Looks like acetone and ATF are the new shade tree mechanic approved
concoction. I have Acetone and ATF on the shelf. I don't have any
Marvel Mystery Oil.
--
Bob La Londe
CNC Molds N Stuff
Have you compared the ingredient list - or msds- between Canadian and >>> USA formulations ? A lot of consumer chemicals have been californicated
in the last few years ... and not for the betterment of the product .
buy it here because it didn't have french labels - they are the same -
and the American stuff is about 10 years old
Check the label on a container of current production and get back to
me ... It's not a product i use very often . I think I've bought 2
quarts in the last 30 years or so .