• Oil Vs Water (Manual Machining Headache)

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Sep 19 16:00:13 2025
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    I typically apply cutting oil by hand, and water soluble by a flood
    blast from a pump. (more or less)

    Whenever I see a video of somebody using one of those old smaller turret lathes I watch. Slowly I've been piecing together everything I need to
    know to set up a job on mine.

    Recently I watched a video and the operator was using pumped flood oil.
    It wasn't the blast of nozzles I use with water soluble coolant on the
    CNC mills, but it was a solid continuous stream.

    I typically don't use flood on the lathe because I don't like being
    soaked by coolant, but this was controlled and the oil did not seem to
    be slung off like a water based cutting fluid. The other reason I don't
    often use flood on the lathe is the coolant evaporates just sitting
    there. I use my bigger lathe mostly for repair work. I use manually
    applied cutting fluids on the big manual mill for the same reason.
    The coolant disappears, even though I do use it a lot more than the
    lathe for roughing mold blanks to size. Neither gets used for many
    production jobs.

    I'd like to hear your experiences and observations. If oil stays on the
    work better, and it doesn't evaporate (not at the same rate as water
    anyway) it could be an answer for lathe work.

    I'd not have a problem dumping several gallons of relatively expensive
    cutting oil into the lathes (after cleaning them out) if it would reduce
    some of the headaches of cutting fluid on those machines. They both
    have tanks and pumps in their respective base. Maybe not the mill I use
    it at speeds and feeds that sling chips yards (meters), not inches (centimeters).
    --
    Bob La Londe
    CNC Molds N Stuff


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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Sep 19 19:43:07 2025
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    "Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:10akn9t$pfh1$2@dont-email.me...

    I'd like to hear your experiences and observations. If oil stays on the
    work better, and it doesn't evaporate (not at the same rate as water
    anyway) it could be an answer for lathe work.

    --------------------------------------- https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/thoughts-on-dry-machining.397505/

    My experience may not mean much to you since I'm not in high speed
    production. I machine dry or with a little brushed-on or needle oiler
    cutting or pipe threading oil, which sometimes gives a better finish, sometimes not, the machine tells me what it wants by sight, sound and feel. Only parting actually demands oil, tapping firmly requests it. Nothing I own is set up for flood cooling. Kerosene works well enough for me on aluminum. The best finish I've achieved was on annealed rock drill rod steel with dry diamond honed carbide.

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  • From Snag@Snag_one@msn.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Fri Sep 19 21:06:30 2025
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    On 9/19/2025 6:00 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I typically apply cutting oil by hand, and water soluble by a flood
    blast from a pump.-a (more or less)

    Whenever I see a video of somebody using one of those old smaller turret lathes I watch.-a Slowly I've been piecing together everything I need to know to set up a job on mine.

    Recently I watched a video and the operator was using pumped flood oil.
    It wasn't the blast of nozzles I use with water soluble coolant on the
    CNC mills, but it was a solid continuous stream.

    I typically don't use flood on the lathe because I don't like being
    soaked by coolant, but this was controlled and the oil did not seem to
    be slung off like a water based cutting fluid.-a The other reason I don't often use flood on the lathe is the coolant evaporates just sitting
    there.-a I use my bigger lathe mostly for repair work.-a-a I use manually applied cutting fluids on the big manual mill for the same reason.
    The coolant disappears, even though I do use it a lot more than the
    lathe for roughing mold blanks to size.-a Neither gets used for many production jobs.

    I'd like to hear your experiences and observations.-a If oil stays on the work better, and it doesn't evaporate (not at the same rate as water
    anyway) it could be an answer for lathe work.

    I'd not have a problem dumping several gallons of relatively expensive cutting oil into the lathes (after cleaning them out) if it would reduce some of the headaches of cutting fluid on those machines.-a They both
    have tanks and pumps in their respective base.-a Maybe not the mill I use
    it at speeds and feeds that sling chips yards (meters), not inches (centimeters).


    The only times I use lube of any kind on the lathe is parting and
    threading , and both get oil based cutting fluid . I occasionally
    dribble a little ATF on the mill while facing aluminum .
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Sep 20 12:06:24 2025
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    On 9/19/2025 7:06 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 9/19/2025 6:00 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    I typically apply cutting oil by hand, and water soluble by a flood
    blast from a pump.-a (more or less)

    Whenever I see a video of somebody using one of those old smaller
    turret lathes I watch.-a Slowly I've been piecing together everything I
    need to know to set up a job on mine.

    Recently I watched a video and the operator was using pumped flood
    oil. It wasn't the blast of nozzles I use with water soluble coolant
    on the CNC mills, but it was a solid continuous stream.

    I typically don't use flood on the lathe because I don't like being
    soaked by coolant, but this was controlled and the oil did not seem to
    be slung off like a water based cutting fluid.-a The other reason I
    don't often use flood on the lathe is the coolant evaporates just
    sitting there.-a I use my bigger lathe mostly for repair work.-a-a I use
    manually applied cutting fluids on the big manual mill for the same
    reason.
    The coolant disappears, even though I do use it a lot more than the
    lathe for roughing mold blanks to size.-a Neither gets used for many
    production jobs.

    I'd like to hear your experiences and observations.-a If oil stays on
    the work better, and it doesn't evaporate (not at the same rate as
    water anyway) it could be an answer for lathe work.

    I'd not have a problem dumping several gallons of relatively expensive
    cutting oil into the lathes (after cleaning them out) if it would
    reduce some of the headaches of cutting fluid on those machines.-a They
    both have tanks and pumps in their respective base.-a Maybe not the
    mill I use it at speeds and feeds that sling chips yards (meters), not
    inches (centimeters).


    -a The only times I use lube of any kind on the lathe is parting and threading , and both get oil based cutting fluid . I occasionally
    dribble a little ATF on the mill while facing aluminum .


    ATF is actually a very good cutting fluid for aluminum. I used it in a
    flood setup on my Taig mill for a while.
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    CNC Molds N Stuff

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  • From marika@marika5000@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking,alt.usenet.legends.lester-mosley on Sat Sep 27 03:24:02 2025
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    Bob La Londe <none@none.com99> wrote:
    I typically apply cutting oil by hand, and water soluble by a flood
    blast from a pump. (more or less)

    Whenever I see a video of somebody using one of those old smaller turret lathes I watch. Slowly I've been piecing together everything I need to
    know to set up a job on mine.

    I found several in our shed

    To tell you the truth we had not used it for years

    I would be surprised if it worked



    Recently I watched a video and the operator was using pumped flood oil.
    It wasn't the blast of nozzles I use with water soluble coolant on the
    CNC mills, but it was a solid continuous stream.

    I typically don't use flood on the lathe because I don't like being
    soaked by coolant, but this was controlled and the oil did not seem to
    be slung off like a water based cutting fluid. The other reason I don't often use flood on the lathe is the coolant evaporates just sitting
    there. I use my bigger lathe mostly for repair work. I use manually applied cutting fluids on the big manual mill for the same reason.
    The coolant disappears, even though I do use it a lot more than the
    lathe for roughing mold blanks to size. Neither gets used for many production jobs.

    I'd like to hear your experiences and observations. If oil stays on the work better, and it doesn't evaporate (not at the same rate as water
    anyway) it could be an answer for lathe work.

    I'd not have a problem dumping several gallons of relatively expensive cutting oil into the lathes (after cleaning them out) if it would reduce some of the headaches of cutting fluid on those machines. They both
    have tanks and pumps in their respective base. Maybe not the mill I use
    it at speeds and feeds that sling chips yards (meters), not inches (centimeters).




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