• WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE?

    From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sat Aug 16 13:55:27 2025
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    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?mref=1sqt4y&mc=42luerCi
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  • From ABLE1@somebody@nowhere.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Aug 17 10:16:19 2025
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    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?mref=1sqt4y&mc=42luerCi



    Answer:

    There are two(2) things going on!!

    !) Bob only typed two sentences on this posting!!

    2) Magic!!

    That is all I have!! :-)

    Les
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Aug 17 12:42:14 2025
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    "ABLE1" wrote in message news:UuloQ.18286$S8Ne.4273@fx45.iad...

    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?mref=1sqt4y&mc=42lue>


    Answer:

    There are two(2) things going on!!

    !) Bob only typed two sentences on this posting!!

    2) Magic!!

    That is all I have!! :-)

    Les

    --------------------------------

    Cameras don't have binocular (stereoscopic) depth perception, the two
    streams may pass without touching. Lack of depth perception is the reason
    the movie / TV stunt of punching someone in the jaw works, the victim reacts when the fist passes in front of them.

    Close one eye and try touching things from the side with a finger. Your one open eye gives you an answer that may be wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception

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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Aug 17 10:44:49 2025
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    On 8/17/2025 9:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "ABLE1"-a wrote in message news:UuloQ.18286$S8Ne.4273@fx45.iad...

    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?
    mref=1sqt4y&mc=42lue>


    Answer:

    There are two(2) things going on!!

    !) Bob only typed two sentences on this posting!!

    2) Magic!!

    That is all I have!!-a :-)

    Les

    --------------------------------

    Cameras don't have binocular (stereoscopic) depth perception, the two streams may pass without touching. Lack of depth perception is the
    reason the movie / TV stunt of punching someone in the jaw works, the
    victim reacts when the fist passes in front of them.

    Close one eye and try touching things from the side with a finger. Your
    one open eye gives you an answer that may be wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception


    Its not a trick. At least not that kind of trick. There are in fact
    two laminar streams impacting and deflecting from each other. Two cues
    in the video support this. (1) There is a visible interface line
    between the streams. (2) Periodically a perturbation or disturbance of
    some kind cause the two stream to converge for a fraction of a second.
    It is what it looks like. Two laminar flowing streams making contact
    and deflecting from each other.

    I suppose I could have recorded a longer video (drained about 2 gallons
    this way), but I thought everything necessary to at least know what is happening if not the cause was available in the 9 second video, and
    making a longer video would have seemed like useless auto flagellation.

    This fluid started out as a mix of distilled water and about 5% SC520
    cutting fluid. The tank has not been cleaned in a couple years. I
    know. My bad. #2 way oil has been oozing out of the machine every 15
    minutes when the automatic oil is activated to lubricate the cast iron
    ways and ball screws. I suspect it is more way oil than water, but I
    have kept the tank topped off with water and cutting fluid. I haven't
    worried to much about it since I have ONLY use this particular machine
    for engraving for the last several years.

    Jim, I am disappointed. In spite of your tendency to start off with a
    new topic at some point temporally displaced from the tangent point in
    some of your unrelated replies to topics, I figured this one would be
    right up your 7-10 split.

    One person (in a forum) said with authoritarian demeanor that, "This is
    a non Newtonian fluid." I neither agree nor disagree. I just don't
    know. It was an interesting anomalous visible occurrence I found
    interesting enough to waste 9 seconds recording video, and an
    indeterminate number of additional seconds sharing the video with others.

    While it was happening I cut 3 molds that will be shipping to Hawaii.
    The day before I spent most of the afternoon cleaning out two machines
    and adding a coolant tap for a wash down hose. I'll finish cleaning out
    this machine, and add a tap for a coolant hose to it today and tomorrow.
    I'm also going to do an experiment with a dual tank design, that
    should isolate fines and floating oil to the first tank. If I like how
    it works I may change all/most of my machines to a dual tank design.

    Now I am off to 3D model some fish hooks. Yeah really.

    If I have time later today I'll make a one piece bulkhead connector for joining the two tanks. Well, one piece body. It will still have two
    nuts and two gaskets as well. Well either that or go fishing.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Sun Aug 17 10:46:21 2025
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    On 8/17/2025 10:44 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 9:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "ABLE1"-a wrote in message news:UuloQ.18286$S8Ne.4273@fx45.iad...

    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?
    mref=1sqt4y&mc=42lue>


    Answer:

    There are two(2) things going on!!

    !) Bob only typed two sentences on this posting!!

    2) Magic!!

    That is all I have!!-a :-)

    Les

    --------------------------------

    Cameras don't have binocular (stereoscopic) depth perception, the two
    streams may pass without touching. Lack of depth perception is the
    reason the movie / TV stunt of punching someone in the jaw works, the
    victim reacts when the fist passes in front of them.

    Close one eye and try touching things from the side with a finger.
    Your one open eye gives you an answer that may be wrong.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception


    Its not a trick.-a At least not that kind of trick.-a There are in fact
    two laminar streams impacting and deflecting from each other.-a Two cues
    in the video support this.-a (1) There is a visible interface line
    between the streams.-a (2) Periodically a perturbation or disturbance of some kind cause the two stream to converge for a fraction of a second.
    It is what it looks like.-a Two laminar flowing streams making contact
    and deflecting from each other.

    I suppose I could have recorded a longer video (drained about 2 gallons
    this way), but I thought everything necessary to at least know what is happening if not the cause was available in the 9 second video, and
    making a longer video would have seemed like useless auto flagellation.

    This fluid started out as a mix of distilled water and about 5% SC520 cutting fluid.-a The tank has not been cleaned in a couple years.-a I know.-a My bad.-a #2 way oil has been oozing out of the machine every 15 minutes when the automatic oil is activated to lubricate the cast iron
    ways and ball screws.-a I suspect it is more way oil than water, but I
    have kept the tank topped off with water and cutting fluid.-a I haven't worried to much about it since I have ONLY use this particular machine
    for engraving for the last several years.

    Jim, I am disappointed.-a In spite of your tendency to start off with a
    new topic at some point temporally displaced from the tangent point in
    some of your unrelated replies to topics, I figured this one would be
    right up your 7-10 split.

    One person (in a forum) said with authoritarian demeanor that, "This is
    a non Newtonian fluid."-a I neither agree nor disagree.-a I just don't know.-a It was an interesting anomalous visible occurrence I found interesting enough to waste 9 seconds recording video, and an
    indeterminate number of additional seconds sharing the video with others.

    While it was happening I cut 3 molds that will be shipping to Hawaii.
    The day before I spent most of the afternoon cleaning out two machines
    and adding a coolant tap for a wash down hose.-a I'll finish cleaning out this machine, and add a tap for a coolant hose to it today and tomorrow.
    -aI'm also going to do an experiment with a dual tank design, that
    should isolate fines and floating oil to the first tank.-a If I like how
    it works I may change all/most of my machines to a dual tank design.

    Now I am off to 3D model some fish hooks.-a Yeah really.

    If I have time later today I'll make a one piece bulkhead connector for joining the two tanks.-a Well, one piece body.-a It will still have two
    nuts and two gaskets as well.-a Well either that or go fishing.




    I wonder if its possible the two streams are just flowing through each
    other? The visible cues would be the same.
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  • From Bob La Londe@none@none.com99 to rec.crafts.metalworking on Mon Aug 18 17:33:59 2025
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    On 8/17/2025 10:46 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:

    I wonder if its possible the two streams are just flowing through each other?-a The visible cues would be the same.

    Nah, not a chance. They would converge.
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  • From James Waldby@reallynotmyaddress@outlook.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue Aug 19 05:23:21 2025
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    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:46:21 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 10:44 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 9:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "ABLE1"-a wrote in message news:UuloQ.18286$S8Ne.4273@fx45.iad...

    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?
    mref=1sqt4y&mc=42lue>

    [snip]

    Its not a trick.-a At least not that kind of trick.-a There are in fact
    two laminar streams impacting and deflecting from each other.-a Two cues
    in the video support this.-a (1) There is a visible interface line
    between the streams.-a (2) Periodically a perturbation or disturbance of
    some kind cause the two stream to converge for a fraction of a second.
    It is what it looks like.-a Two laminar flowing streams making contact
    and deflecting from each other.
    [snip]

    Inertia of the fluids may be more important here than deflection effects. See some of the discussion at https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/34ne9l/ (which is mostly about how milk pours from a carton)

    One person (in a forum) said with authoritarian demeanor that, "This is
    a non Newtonian fluid."-a I neither agree nor disagree.-a I just don't
    know.-a It was an interesting anomalous visible occurrence I found
    interesting [snip]

    The reddit page alludes to non-Newtonian fluids; with concensus seeming
    to be that non-Newtonian effects in milk-pouring are trivial enough to be ignored. If the coolant and milk have similar flow rates, viscosity,
    density, and surface tension, such effects probably can be ignored here
    too. (See Reynolds and Froude numbers.)

    I wonder if its possible the two streams are just flowing through each other? The visible cues would be the same.

    Seems to be more complex than that; else the streams wouldn't cross twice,
    as they visibly do at about 2 seconds in. Obviously some Coanda effect
    going on. Note, for Rayleigh jet instability effects see "On the collision
    of laminar jets: fluid chains and fishbones", 2004, by John M. Bush and Alexander E. Hasha.* The Bush / Hasha experimental setup shown in Figure
    6 is similar to your setup. The "fluid chains" flow regime pictured in
    Figure 11 resembles the crossing and recombining visible at about 2 seconds
    in. Dynamic instability or metastability might account for the flow in
    your setup flipping back and forth between different flow regimes.

    * https://thales.mit.edu/bush/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chains.pdf
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  • From Jim Wilkins@muratlanne@gmail.com to rec.crafts.metalworking on Tue Aug 19 07:29:07 2025
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    "James Waldby" wrote in message news:10811o9$3iahs$1@dont-email.me...

    On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 10:46:21 -0700, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 10:44 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    On 8/17/2025 9:42 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
    "ABLE1" wrote in message news:UuloQ.18286$S8Ne.4273@fx45.iad...

    On 8/16/2025 4:55 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
    WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE? It looks like the two streams are
    bouncing off of each other.

    https://rumble.com/v6xod8s-whats-the-heck-is-going-on-here.html?
    mref=1sqt4y&mc=42lue>

    [snip]

    Its not a trick. At least not that kind of trick. There are in fact
    two laminar streams impacting and deflecting from each other. Two cues
    in the video support this. (1) There is a visible interface line
    between the streams. (2) Periodically a perturbation or disturbance of
    some kind cause the two stream to converge for a fraction of a second.
    It is what it looks like. Two laminar flowing streams making contact
    and deflecting from each other.
    [snip]

    Inertia of the fluids may be more important here than deflection effects.
    See
    some of the discussion at
    https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/34ne9l/
    (which is mostly about how milk pours from a carton)

    One person (in a forum) said with authoritarian demeanor that, "This is
    a non Newtonian fluid." I neither agree nor disagree. I just don't
    know. It was an interesting anomalous visible occurrence I found
    interesting [snip]

    The reddit page alludes to non-Newtonian fluids; with concensus seeming
    to be that non-Newtonian effects in milk-pouring are trivial enough to be ignored. If the coolant and milk have similar flow rates, viscosity,
    density, and surface tension, such effects probably can be ignored here
    too. (See Reynolds and Froude numbers.)

    I wonder if its possible the two streams are just flowing through each
    other? The visible cues would be the same.

    Seems to be more complex than that; else the streams wouldn't cross twice,
    as they visibly do at about 2 seconds in. Obviously some Coanda effect
    going on. Note, for Rayleigh jet instability effects see "On the collision
    of laminar jets: fluid chains and fishbones", 2004, by John M. Bush and Alexander E. Hasha.* The Bush / Hasha experimental setup shown in Figure
    6 is similar to your setup. The "fluid chains" flow regime pictured in
    Figure 11 resembles the crossing and recombining visible at about 2 seconds
    in. Dynamic instability or metastability might account for the flow in
    your setup flipping back and forth between different flow regimes.

    * https://thales.mit.edu/bush/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/chains.pdf
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    To me it looks like they are making varying grazing contact top to bottom instead of side to side. The light reflection suggests the left stream
    passes under the right. The Coanda effect varies with the amount of contact. Without depth perception you can't detect their relative distances from the camera and can interpret them colliding directly if you expect to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crater_illusion

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