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On 6/9/2025 4:50 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

For the type of work I do I buy a bit of aluminum flat bar.-a My last
order was a little over 900lbs of 12ft long bars, and I had another
600-700 lbs of full bars on hand plus shorts and cutoff.

The cutoffs I put on shelves, but the 12 footers I really haven't a
place for.-a At the moment I've got the latest order outdoors leaning up against a shipping container, and the rest of the older stock is leaning
up against shelves and walls inside the shop.-a The inside of the
shipping container is lined with shelves being used to recover space in
the shop, and it's not setup for practical stock storage.

I hate it.

Of course I also buy a little bit of 20' aluminum pipe and tube.-a That
is to long to lean up against anything inside the shop, but one problem
at a time.

If you have a storage solution for the standard (maybe only USA
standard) 12 foot stock flat bar I'd love to see it.-a My shop has a 16ft eave height so I can store it vertically anywhere inside that I have the floor space, but I am trying to recover, not lose floor space right now.
-aI am even considering just storing it all outdoors.

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Okay, one of two carports is setup. I have the second one, but have not
had time to set it up.

I was going to buy heavy cantilever racks, and even ordered some from a
vendor who then changed the lead time by several weeks after they had my money, so I canceled the order.

Then I thought about it. Most of my working stock is aluminum. I order
upto 900-1000 lbs at a time, and more than half is always gone by the
time I make another order that size. Special size stock is usually
ordered in less than bar size. Just enough to complete the job it is
for. I almost never have more than 2000lbs of aluminum on hand and
usually much less.

I ordered two of these: https://www.zoro.com/vestil-self-supporting-rack-2000-lb-sr-ss/i/G5580508/

I figure if I set them in line with each other I can (if loaded evenly)
store 4000lbs (probably a little more due to safety margins) of aluminum
bar stock on them, and they are cheap compared to the heavy cantilever
racks I was looking at. I would have preferred single sided heavy cantilever racks due to the smaller space they take up for their load capacity, but price and lead time (I know they would have been here by
now, LOL) made the choice for me. Also, Zoro sends out 20% off coupons.
I used one.

The new racks should be here next week.

I am already using the space outdoors under the carport between the
building and the shipping container for prepping stock with a carbide
tooth metal cutting chop saw. It cuts stock in a fraction of the time
of the bandsaw. I can't leave it unattended like the bandsaw, but its
so fast it doesn't matter.
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:106ggvi$3vvg3$1@dont-email.me...

Okay, one of two carports is setup. I have the second one, but have not
had time to set it up.

Here on the diagonally (and politically) opposite corner of the US I store
my aluminum bar and tube stock outdoors under a roof too. With our large, rapid and frequent temperature and humidity changes moisture sometimes condenses or drips on it and degrades the finish, though not seriously
enough to affect hobby projects. I keep the collet-sized stock indoors.

A metal roof can be bad for dripping condensation.

https://www.boston-discovery-guide.com/boston-weather-forecast.html

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On 7/31/2025 2:52 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

"Bob La Londe"-a wrote in message news:106ggvi$3vvg3$1@dont-email.me...

Okay, one of two carports is setup.-a I have the second one, but have
not had time to set it up.

Here on the diagonally (and politically) opposite corner of the US I
store my aluminum bar and tube stock outdoors under a roof too. With our large, rapid and frequent temperature and humidity changes moisture sometimes condenses or drips on it and degrades the finish, though not seriously enough to affect hobby projects. I keep the collet-sized stock indoors.

A metal roof can be bad for dripping condensation.

https://www.boston-discovery-guide.com/boston-weather-forecast.html

I had not considered that, but most metal buildings around here are
insulated. Sheds tend not to be. If its an issue several sheets
styrofoam, and a spray can or 3 of 3M 77 spray adhesive should fix it
for the most part.

Humidity is pretty low here most of the year, but we do sometimes get
morning dew. I'll keep an eye on it.
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:106j43e$j63r$1@dont-email.me...

On 7/31/2025 2:52 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:

A metal roof can be bad for dripping condensation.

I had not considered that, but most metal buildings around here are
insulated. Sheds tend not to be. If its an issue several sheets
styrofoam, and a spray can or 3 of 3M 77 spray adhesive should fix it
for the most part.

Humidity is pretty low here most of the year, but we do sometimes get
morning dew. I'll keep an eye on it.

Bob La Londe
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I have a tarp attached to the lower side of one corrugated roof's PT wood purlins that helps, as does plastic over the stored equipment. The
condensing condition we have but maybe you don't is warm humid air after a cold spell, as in 20F to 50F in a few hours. Dew doesn't seem an issue, it doesn't form on covered surfaces that don't cool by radiating heat to into space. It didn't condense on my unpainted sawmill when the grass outside the canopy was wet.

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I wonder if its as simple as, it slows down the change in temperature. Or rather it slows down the transfer of energy. I know here in the desert growing up I could sometimes keep tomato plants alive all winter by pulling a plastic sheet over them at night. There would sometimes be frost on the plastic, but not on the plants. It wouldn't save them from a hard freeze (low 20s to high teens), but it would save them from just cold enough to frost every time.

FYI: I received an email through the contact form on my website the day after we exchanged the first couple messages on condensation that had something to do with condensation, and a link to a Russian domain website. Kinda weirdly targeted and a long way around to get there.

Posting From Polytech. Narkive and Eternal September are both not working for me.
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On 8/4/2025 3:45 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

I wonder if its as simple as, it slows down the change in temperature.
Or rather it slows down the transfer of energy.-a I know here in the
desert growing up I could sometimes keep tomato plants alive all winter
by pulling a plastic sheet over them at night.-a There would sometimes be frost on the plastic, but not on the plants.-a It wouldn't save them from
a hard freeze (low 20s to high teens), but it would save them from just
cold enough to frost every time.

FYI:-a I received an email through the contact form on my website the day after we exchanged the first couple messages on condensation that had something to do with condensation, and a link to a Russian domain
website.-a Kinda weirdly targeted and a long way around to get there.

Posting From Polytech.-a Narkive and Eternal September are both not
working for me.

Well now its working...
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:106rdou$2e3nr$2@dont-email.me...

On 8/4/2025 3:45 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

Posting From Polytech. Narkive and Eternal September are both not
working for me.

Well now its working...

Bob La Londe
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Test:
I don't see my recent posts either.
jsw
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"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message news:106smki$2mugb$1@dont-email.me...

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:106rdou$2e3nr$2@dont-email.me...

On 8/4/2025 3:45 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

Posting From Polytech. Narkive and Eternal September are both not working for me.

Well now its working...

Bob La Londe
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Test:
I don't see my recent posts either.
jsw
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I see this one.
Richard, the French-name email was from me to get your address in case of losing Usenet.
jsw

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On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:45:03 +0000, Bob La Londe <9fb5a4aef6c7d78f3ac9486fc028dedf@example.com> wrote:

I wonder if its as simple as, it slows down the change in temperature. Or rather it slows down the transfer of energy. I know here in the desert growing up I could sometimes keep tomato plants alive all winter by pulling a plastic sheet over them at night. There would sometimes be frost on the plastic, but not on the plants. It wouldn't save them from a hard freeze (low 20s to high teens), but it would save them from just cold enough to frost every time.

FYI: I received an email through the contact form on my website the day after we exchanged the first couple messages on condensation that had something to do with condensation, and a link to a Russian domain website. Kinda weirdly targeted and a long way around to get there.

Posting From Polytech. Narkive and Eternal September are both not working for me.

For eternal september you need to use non SSL. Something is screwed
up with their SSL connection
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2025 22:45:03 +0000, Bob La Londe <9fb5a4aef6c7d78f3ac9486fc028dedf@example.com> wrote:

I wonder if its as simple as, it slows down the change in temperature. Or >rather it slows down the transfer of energy. I know here in the desert >growing up I could sometimes keep tomato plants alive all winter by pulling >a plastic sheet over them at night. There would sometimes be frost on the >plastic, but not on the plants. It wouldn't save them from a hard freeze >(low 20s to high teens), but it would save them from just cold enough to >frost every time.

FYI: I received an email through the contact form on my website the day >after we exchanged the first couple messages on condensation that had >something to do with condensation, and a link to a Russian domain website. >Kinda weirdly targeted and a long way around to get there.

Posting From Polytech. Narkive and Eternal September are both not working >for me.

For eternal september you need to use non SSL. Something is screwed
up with their SSL connection

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