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Weighing the Colnago steel X lite I have less than 20 lbs ready to ride. Weighing all of the others, the lightest is the Time which weighs 18.9 lbs.
I will admit that the handling of the Time is slightly better than the Colnago which until you get used to it handles very fast. But the weight
is so slight that for a recreational rider is inconsequential.
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each pedal stroke, especially on
hard climbs. You can also design carbon fiber to be more aero. But none
of this makes the least bit of difference unless you're a 25 mph average speed racer.
I am presently averaging 11.5 mph on flat rides and 10 mph on climbing
rides. I have yet to notice the added weight even on my Basso which is a
24 lb bike. Yesterday I held a high average despite the fact that I
couldn't shift up into the big rind due to the front derailleur cable slipping loose so that I couldn't get the big ring. This means that the
bike was being ridden on the little ring ans small cogs causing the chain
to e sharply decelerate and accelerate as it changed directions probably losing 25 watts or more. I definitely was feeling the strain as I got home yesterday.
On my flat ride I am being passed by very fast young men on Trek Madones
and S-Works road racers. But they don't seem to be riding as far as I do
and Full Time Power is measured in 20 minute segments which is certainly
a shorter distance than I ride. Unless you're as fast as Flunky claims to
be. Despite my skepticism perhaps he is that fast. But I tend to
disbelieve him since I am riding faster than most people in the Senior Citizen category. And this is hardly in the "fast" category.
Maybe we should stop worrying about weight unless it is an extreme case
like my Land Shark frameset that is made from Genius tubing and built up
was 28 lbs ready to ride.
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
Weighing the Colnago steel X lite I have less than 20 lbs ready to ride.
Weighing all of the others, the lightest is the Time which weighs 18.9 lbs. >>
I will admit that the handling of the Time is slightly better than the
Colnago which until you get used to it handles very fast. But the weight
is so slight that for a recreational rider is inconsequential.
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like my 14 lb Look
since it bounced all over the road with each pedal stroke, especially on
hard climbs. You can also design carbon fiber to be more aero. But none
of this makes the least bit of difference unless you're a 25 mph average speed racer.
I believe aero makes quite a difference for slower riders, I certainly feel the wind much more and have to work harder with the main commute bike (old MTB) vs the old school roadie and will favour taking the roadie on windy
days as long as not too wet as it only has a Arse saver mudguard.
I am presently averaging 11.5 mph on flat rides and 10 mph on climbing
rides. I have yet to notice the added weight even on my Basso which is a
24 lb bike. Yesterday I held a high average despite the fact that I
couldn't shift up into the big rind due to the front derailleur cable
slipping loose so that I couldn't get the big ring. This means that the
bike was being ridden on the little ring ans small cogs causing the chain
to e sharply decelerate and accelerate as it changed directions probably
losing 25 watts or more. I definitely was feeling the strain as I got home yesterday.
Personally my new bike is 2KG or so lighter than the older one, canrCOt say itrCOs particularly noticeable riding, itrCOs notable if lifting the bike into
car etc but riding not really.
On my flat ride I am being passed by very fast young men on Trek Madones
and S-Works road racers. But they don't seem to be riding as far as I do
and Full Time Power
is measured in 20 minute segments which is certainly
a shorter distance than I ride.
Unless you're as fast as Flunky claims to
be. Despite my skepticism perhaps he is that fast. But I tend to
disbelieve him since I am riding faster than most people in the Senior
Citizen category. And this is hardly in the "fast" category.
Since your both on Strava you could easily look but hint it will not do
your ego any good!
ItrCOs largely overrated weight even for the UK hill climbing competition which has just started and they do like some lightweight bling! The winners tend to be 6/7kg than 4/5KG though fun bits of kit they maybe but not
Maybe we should stop worrying about weight unless it is an extreme case
like my Land Shark frameset that is made from Genius tubing and built up
was 28 lbs ready to ride.
perhaps as competitive.
Roger Merriman
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling us about things you don't know anything about.
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancerThere you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling
us about things you don't know anything about.
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:Pot and kettle comes to mind!
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information. >>
Roger Merriman
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling us about things you don't know anything about.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the >character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argu
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
You didn't read the referenced article did you? You should as the
aqrticle references the actual source of the claim, which seems to be Vigilant Fox, which defines itself as a media company founded by a rCLhealthcare specialist turned independent journalistrCY
--
cheers,
John B.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the
character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency
to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me
all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up steep pitches.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He
ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and bad
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've
done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you
can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might
admit that you're correct.
I don't "defend" myself to fools that have no idea what they are talking about. Why are you on this group? You add noyhing to it and lie about everything.Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in hisWhy don't you tell us more about averaging 16 mph you not very bright person. Better yet, after I say I'm going slow up Cull Canyon and not being passed, tell us that someone else has the record and prove it by showing a Strava route that is nowhere near Cull Canyom. Your mother must be so proud of you, being so important that your boss doesn't give a shit what you do. Give us more of your infinite wisdom.
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency
to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I
never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me
all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up steep pitches.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He
ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would
have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he
rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and bad
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the
character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency
to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up steep pitches.
I
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The
Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he rides is newer that 15 years old.
Roger, it is weight and not geometry. On steep climbs you pull up as well as push down on the pedals. The 14 lb Look would lift the entire bike off the ground. Or you can believe Flunky that a 14 lb Look couldn't be built. Two years ago I gave my two surviving brothers $30,000 apiece since one of them was having some financial problems and I didn't want to appear to be playing favorites. My next financial report didn't even show the loss since stock growth covered it plus. But Flunky says that I couldn't afford to build a 14 lb bike. I just did a 38 mile ride and averaged 11.5 mph. Flunky has been recovering fron an accident and tells us that at over 65 years of age he is averaging 16 mph. He will say anything and supposes us all to be fools.- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and bad
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
Can get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks
who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything? You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud of your great success!
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
On Sun Oct 12 12:04:54 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably, >>>>>> the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow >>>>>> leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and >>>>>> the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill, >>>> you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the >>>> character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the >>> frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few
hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency >>> to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I >>> never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me >>> all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up >>> steep pitches.
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The
Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at
least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant
feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He
ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would >>> have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he >>> rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that >>> unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and badCan get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
Roger, it is weight and not geometry. On steep climbs you pull up as well
as push down on the pedals. The 14 lb Look would lift the entire bike off
the ground. Or you can believe Flunky that a 14 lb Look couldn't be built.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>You can hold any opinions you want but without experience they are worthless. Like your technical expertise.
wrote:
On Sat Oct 11 02:59:04 2025 John B. wrote:
And for more information, on a different subjexct, see
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
Tom, it seems rather odd that you insist that in order to have an
opinion on a bicycle related topic, you expect me to ride a bicycle. Similarly, have you read the above Al Jazzeera article? Have you read anything on their web site:
<https://www.aljazeera.com>
Probably not. As a non-reader, why do you believe you have the right
to criticize Al Jazeera as a source of information?
For what it's worth, Al Jazeera is one of the news sites that I like
to read. However, be advised that the English language version is
biased somewhat towards the left: <https://www.allsides.com/news-source/al-jazeera-media-bias> <https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/>
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 12:04:54 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>> wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably, >>>>>> the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow >>>>>> leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and >>>>>> the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill, >>>> you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the >>>> character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the >>> frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few >>> hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency >>> to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I >>> never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me >>> all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up >>> steep pitches.
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The >> Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at >> least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant >> feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He >>> ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would >>> have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he >>> rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that >>> unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and badCan get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks >> who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
Roger, it is weight and not geometry. On steep climbs you pull up as well as push down on the pedals. The 14 lb Look would lift the entire bike off the ground. Or you can believe Flunky that a 14 lb Look couldn't be built.
Unless your attempting to bunny hop your way up a hill, you?ll not be
pulling up with any meaningful way, all pedalling studies come to same conclusions that folks don?t pull up in any meaningful way.
14lb is on the heavy end for a hill climb bike which ranges from 4
something Kg to 6ish, ie 9-14lb, as expected they don?t report same problem as you, as ever this is a Tom thing.
Two years ago I gave my two surviving brothers $30,000 apiece since one of them was having some financial problems and I didn't want to appear to be playing favorites. My next financial report didn't even show the loss since stock growth covered it plus. But Flunky says that I couldn't afford to
build a 14 lb bike. I just did a 38 mile ride and averaged 11.5 mph. Flunky has been recovering fron an accident and tells us that at over 65 years of age he is averaging 16 mph. He will say anything and supposes us all to be fools.
Strava and other platforms that your both using back him up, after allRoger, what is going on with you? If you don't understand how to climb fast on a road bike, just say so. The course that Flunky displayed from Strava was an entire canyon over from Cull. He even cut the route short. That was the way I would ride to Plsasanton only I would add another 800 feet of climbing.
17mph isn?t that fast, the Wednesday pub lot manage to cover 22/23 miles in around a hour, sometimes under sometimes over depending on the conditions,
in the summer they have a hill to get over as well!
And these are folks 50/60?s for most part, so yes his average speeds make absolute sense.
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 17:03:14 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
Speaking of Tom's big belly and his light weight bicycle, I posted
this comment after Tom bought a Ridley Helium bicycle:
08/08/2023 ><https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8ftji7STU0w/m/T8G8ie3rAgAJ> >"The Ridley helium has a maximum rider weight of 95kg
(209lbs). How close are you to the limit?" ><https://www.bikeradar.com/features/the-ridley-helium-slx-is-the-lightweight-race-bike-of-your-dreams/>
"Unsurprisingly, such a lightweight frameset has a rider weight limit
of 95kg."
I think this is Tom's Ridley Helium (because he posted it to his
Facebook photos site): ><https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539579790791&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1013539423124140&set=pb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3>
I don't know if it's an SLX or something else because I can't decode
the Ridley web pages.
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized
but
according to you I couldn't build one.
Your mother should be so proudof your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
--
cheers,
John B.
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably,
the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow
leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and
the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill,
you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the
character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the
frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few
hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency
to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I
never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me
all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up
steep pitches.
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The
Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He
ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would
have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he
rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be thatCan get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks
unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and bad
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
Roger Merriman
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 12:04:54 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably, >>>>>>> the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow >>>>>>> leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and >>>>>>> the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>>>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>>>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>>>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be
telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill, >>>>> you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the >>>>> character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an
argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the >>>> frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the
rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the
time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few >>>> hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very
quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency >>>> to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I >>>> never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me >>>> all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up >>>> steep pitches.
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The >>> Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at >>> least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant >>> feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He >>>> ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would >>>> have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he >>>> rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that >>>> unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and badCan get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks >>> who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
Roger, it is weight and not geometry.
On steep climbs you pull up as well
as push down on the pedals. The 14 lb Look would lift the entire bike off
the ground.
Or you can believe Flunky that a 14 lb Look couldn't be built.
Unless your attempting to bunny hop your way up a hill, yourCOll not be pulling up with any meaningful way, all pedalling studies come to same conclusions that folks donrCOt pull up in any meaningful way.
14lb is on the heavy end for a hill climb bike which ranges from 4
something Kg to 6ish, ie 9-14lb, as expected they donrCOt report same problem as you, as ever this is a Tom thing.
Two years ago I gave my two surviving brothers $30,000 apiece since one of them was having some financial problems and I didn't want to appear to be playing favorites. My next financial report didn't even show the loss since stock growth covered it plus. But Flunky says that I couldn't afford to
build a 14 lb bike.
I just did a 38 mile ride and averaged 11.5 mph. Flunky
has been recovering fron an accident and tells us that at over 65 years of age
he is averaging 16 mph.
He will say anything and supposes us all to be
fools.
Strava and other platforms that your both using back him up, after all
17mph isnrCOt that fast, the Wednesday pub lot manage to cover 22/23 miles in around a hour, sometimes under sometimes over depending on the conditions,
in the summer they have a hill to get over as well!
And these are folks 50/60rCOs for most part, so yes his average speeds make absolute sense.
Roger Merriman
On 10/12/2025 6:07 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 12:04:54 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 10/12/2025 12:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:I
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:30:43 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Fri Oct 10 19:30:13 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 19:48:48 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
You CAN make carbon fiber super light though I did NOT like
my 14 lb Look since it bounced all over the road with each
pedal stroke, especially on hard climbs.
How does one make a bicycle bounce on an uphill climb? Presumably, >>>>>>> the chain is in tension while climbing. If the rear wheel somehow >>>>>>> leaves the ground while climbing, the chain tension is relieved and >>>>>>> the rear wheel spins freely until it touches the ground again. I've >>>>>>> done that in the distant past when I hit a slippery oil spot. If you >>>>>>> can find a video showing someone climbing or bouncing uphill, I might >>>>>>> admit that you're correct.
Maybe if you'd ever riden a top of the line bike, you wouldn't be >>>>>> telling us about things you don't know anything about.
Nice. Instead of defending your claim of bouncing uphill and/or
providing a link to a video of someone bouncing while climbing uphill, >>>>> you attack the author (me). Since you apparently don't have an
answer, that's the best I can expect from you.
"Ad hominem"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
"...refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the >>>>> character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an >>>>> argument rather than the substance of the argument itself."
I know what tommy's referring to, but as usual he's lost in his
misinformed and vapid interpretations.
What he's intending to convey is that the lightness of the bike made the >>>> frame highly reactive. I've ridden bikes that I felt didn't keep the >>>> rear wheel on the ground very well when when sprinting.
The 2000 Giant Team TCR was that way for me. The team I was on at the >>>> time got the bikes at a big discount, so most of us sprung for the few >>>> hundred bucks and raced them that year. The bike was very light, very >>>> quick, and very responsive, but we all noted the rear-end had a tendency >>>> to come off the ground, especially when sprinting on choppy pavement. I >>>> never was a very powerful sprinter, so I noticed but it didn't affect me >>>> all that much, and I really appreciated how the bike would accelerate up >>>> steep pitches.
That would be geometry, than weight would it not?
Looks to be quite a short wheelbase, which would give a lively feel! The >>> Fuji track I had years ago at same weight as the Giant Revolt I have, at >>> least the build I went for.
But very different feel the Fuji was on the twitchy side. While the Giant >>> feels more planted helps having 50mm vs 25mm.
Our best sprinter though rode it for a few races and gave up on it. He >>>> ended up switching back to his cannondale.
Tommy's story has other problems though:
- In the Era that tommy had the Look frame, the amount of money it would >>>> have taken to get the bike down to 14 pounds would have been
astronomical. I don't believe he ever had a bike that light, nothing he >>>> rides is newer that 15 years old.
- I don't believe tommy ever had enough power to force a bike to be that >>>> unstable - well, maybe with a sloppy pedal stroke and badCan get away with it more on road due to the grip levels, off road folks >>> who do spin out and stall on climbs etc.
technique...but that wouldn't be because of the bike.
Roger, it is weight and not geometry.
Wrong. It's both.
On steep climbs you pull up as well
as push down on the pedals. The 14 lb Look would lift the entire bike off >> the ground.
Which would be yet another amazing feat tommy accomplished which goes
against the physical laws of this universe. (unless of course you're
using rogers bunny-hopping technique)
Or you can believe Flunky that a 14 lb Look couldn't be built.
I'm sure roger beleives I never wrote that. I wrote that _you_ couldn't
do it.
Unless your attempting to bunny hop your way up a hill, you?ll not be pulling up with any meaningful way, all pedalling studies come to same conclusions that folks don?t pull up in any meaningful way.
Not quite true the best sprinters put considerable force into the up
stroke, and training to pullup on the pedals does help climbing. Yes, I
know you're going to pull out that study that showed cyclists were more efficient using flat pedals than cleats - there were a lot of problems
with that study which we can go into if your interested.
There is a definite advantage to training the 'pedal circles'.
Especially riding off-road up hill, keeping power applied through the
stroke keeps a more smooth power transfer - quite beneficial on loose terrain.
14lb is on the heavy end for a hill climb bike which ranges from 4 something Kg to 6ish, ie 9-14lb, as expected they don?t report same problem as you, as ever this is a Tom thing.
Two years ago I gave my two surviving brothers $30,000 apiece since one of them was having some financial problems and I didn't want to appear to be playing favorites. My next financial report didn't even show the loss since stock growth covered it plus. But Flunky says that I couldn't afford to build a 14 lb bike.
You can't, and the only thing you ever gave your brothers was grief.
I just did a 38 mile ride and averaged 11.5 mph. Flunky
has been recovering fron an accident and tells us that at over 65 years of age
I'm over 65?
he is averaging 16 mph.
And when I'm fit, I'm much faster. This was my commute the day before
the accident:
https://www.strava.com/activities/14261577903
20 miles at 18.7mph. I wasn't exactly hammering, but I did spend more
time in zone 3/4 than I intended.
And fwiw, I wasn't exactly hammering.
He will say anything and supposes us all to be
fools.
no, just you.
What does a standout who might be drugging have to do with your clain that I am wrong about not being passed in Cull Canyon because someone else is faster and then you showing a route entirely different to Cull Canyon? At 80 your Max heart rate is stll 140. Riding above that for long WILL cause a heart attack or stroke
Strava and other platforms that your both using back him up, after all 17mph isn?t that fast, the Wednesday pub lot manage to cover 22/23 miles in around a hour, sometimes under sometimes over depending on the conditions, in the summer they have a hill to get over as well!
And these are folks 50/60?s for most part, so yes his average speeds make absolute sense.
Spot-on, Roger. An 18.7mph average at a moderate effort isn't fast at
all. _This_ guy is fast:
https://www.strava.com/activities/15658759059
Dean Phillips is a local racer in his 50's, been destroying pro-am
fields for years now. This was a monday night shop ride. They averaged
27.2 mph for two hours, and that included warm-up/cool-down, riding on
public roads. If you look through Deans rides, you'll see he does solo century rides in around 4 hours. I couldn't keep up with these guys when
I was at my peak.
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? OrIf I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
loose some of that big belly?
On 10/12/2025 8:03 PM, John B. wrote:So you're saying your mother committed suicide?
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
I wouldn't know, but all we need to do is look at you
You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized
Yes, these days you can, but you couldn't afford one anyway
but
according to you I couldn't build one.
That's true as well. Even if you could afford the components to build
one, your demonstrated ineptitude would result in yet another disaster
of broken pats and or pieces falling off on the road.
Your mother should be so proudof your great success!
She is...was..so much so that she made me her health-care proxy before
she passed away, and I'm now the executor of my fathers will as well as
his health-care proxy and have power-of attorney.
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 17:03:14 -0700, John B.I know you are stupid but Di2 parts are heavy and those are aluminum wheels making up that 16 lb bike. Why are you always talking about things you don't know about? That is why you were unemployable.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
Speaking of Tom's big belly and his light weight bicycle, I posted
this comment after Tom bought a Ridley Helium bicycle:
08/08/2023 <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8ftji7STU0w/m/T8G8ie3rAgAJ> "The Ridley helium has a maximum rider weight of 95kg
(209lbs). How close are you to the limit?" <https://www.bikeradar.com/features/the-ridley-helium-slx-is-the-lightweight-race-bike-of-your-dreams/>
"Unsurprisingly, such a lightweight frameset has a rider weight limit
of 95kg."
I think this is Tom's Ridley Helium (because he posted it to his
Facebook photos site): <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3d1013539579790791&set=3dpb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3d3>
<https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3d1013539423124140&set=3dpb.100034042758783.-2207520000&type=3d3>
I don't know if it's an SLX or something else because I can't decode
the Ridley web pages.
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >> >> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>>>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb
bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved
that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
--
cheers,
John B.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>> >> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved
that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from >>>>>> your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud
of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb
bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved
that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb
bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved
that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of >clothes and so on.
On the flat itAs fine, unless itAs windy when itAs tedious, but on any >gradient itAs slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of >ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb
bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved
that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of >clothes and so on.
On the flat itAs fine, unless itAs windy when itAs tedious, but on any >gradient itAs slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of >ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
On 14 Oct 2025 22:45:44 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb >>>>> bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved >>>> that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of
clothes and so on.
On the flat it-As fine, unless it-As windy when it-As tedious, but on any
gradient it-As slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >> all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >> decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of
ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
The Marathon green guards ride softer than the "+" tires and have less rolling resistance.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 14 Oct 2025 22:45:44 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or
loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb >>>>> bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved >>>> that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand
phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of
clothes and so on.
On the flat it-As fine, unless it-As windy when it-As tedious, but on any
gradient it-As slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >> all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >> decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of
ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
While weight location certainly effects balance ultimately it is then
entire weight of the bike, rider, and load that is the determining
factor in riding a bike (or other device) up hill. An airplane, for
example, requires substantially more power during take-off (flying up
hill) then when cruising (flying level).
--
cheers,
John B.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 14 Oct 2025 22:45:44 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or >>>>>>> loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb >>>>>> bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved >>>>> that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand >>>>> phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of >>> clothes and so on.
On the flat it?s fine, unless it?s windy when it?s tedious, but on any
gradient it?s slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >>> all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >>> decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of >>> ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
While weight location certainly effects balance ultimately it is then
entire weight of the bike, rider, and load that is the determining
factor in riding a bike (or other device) up hill. An airplane, for
example, requires substantially more power during take-off (flying up
hill) then when cruising (flying level).
Absolutely weight location makes no difference to how it climbs, which is >poorly! Not helped that as it is set up for commuting has gears for that ie >flat lands, so you tend to be over-geared as the gradient increases.
Roger Merriman
--
cheers,
John B.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 14 Oct 2025 22:45:44 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 17:17:51 -0700, John B.Makes much less difference with a heavy bike, my main commute bike last
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 18:00:46 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 17:03:14 2025 John B. wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:49:10 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
On Sun Oct 12 07:00:19 2025 zen cycle wrote:You can buy an over the counter 14 lb bike from Specialized but
On 10/11/2025 8:53 PM, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:35:03 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> >>>>>>>>>>>
There you have it - Now John is using Aljazeera as a source of information.
decidedly more reliable than whatever bloviating bullshit you post from
your ass.
Flunky, how goes it feel like to be a loser at everything?
according to you I couldn't build one. Your mother should be so proud >>>>>>> of your great success!
Tell us Tom, what is the better solution? Buy a 14 ld bicycle? Or >>>>>>> loose some of that big belly?
If I lose some of my belly which I did not have at that time a 14 lb >>>>>> bike was still lighter than a 24 lb bike.
So what if a 14 lb bike is lighter, it is the total weight being moved >>>>> that is being moved that counts. The belly, shoes, pants, bike, hand >>>>> phone, etc,. Everything being moved.
Quite often I ride with about 14 lbs of water, tools, spare parts,
assecories (gun), etc hanging on my bike.
time I weighed it came to 44lb/20KG before I added anything to the
panniers, which I have a computer bag among other things, plus change of >>> clothes and so on.
On the flat it?s fine, unless it?s windy when it?s tedious, but on any
gradient it?s slow going.
Does also depend on how a bike carries the weight, having a bar bag so not >>> all of the weight was on the rear makes quite a difference. As does having >>> decent tyres, Big Apples are world apart from the Marathon + in terms of >>> ride, and made it feel a bit more sprightly!
--Roger Merriman
C'est bon
Soloman
While weight location certainly effects balance ultimately it is then
entire weight of the bike, rider, and load that is the determining
factor in riding a bike (or other device) up hill. An airplane, for
example, requires substantially more power during take-off (flying up
hill) then when cruising (flying level).
Absolutely weight location makes no difference to how it climbs, which is >poorly! Not helped that as it is set up for commuting has gears for that ie >flat lands, so you tend to be over-geared as the gradient increases.
Roger Merriman
--
cheers,
John B.