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https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had
a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line
dry lube. Cleans up nice.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had
a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line
dry lube. Cleans up nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish line/muck off
etc turn into a black paste quite frankly within one ride, for frankly bog >snorkelling type MTB rides a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/cafe the young >woman serving me ask me owas it worth it really!o As I was sopping after >riding the woods with the melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet >winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike as to ride it
as is the way of such things!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had
a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line
dry lube. Cleans up nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish line/muck off
etc turn into a black paste quite frankly within one ride, for frankly bog >> snorkelling type MTB rides a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/cafe the young
woman serving me ask me -owas it worth it really!-o As I was sopping after >> riding the woods with the melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet
winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike as to ride it
as is the way of such things!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago bicycles were forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and the various bicycle
groups lobbied vigorously to gain the right to use public roads....
and now , although they have had that right for years, they are riding
around in the bushes :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had
a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line
dry lube. Cleans up nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish line/muck off >>etc turn into a black paste quite frankly within one ride, for frankly bog >>snorkelling type MTB rides a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/cafe the young >>woman serving me ask me owas it worth it really!o As I was sopping after >>riding the woods with the melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet >>winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike as to ride it >>as is the way of such things!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago bicycles were >forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and the various bicycle
groups lobbied vigorously to gain the right to use public roads....
and now , although they have had that right for years, they are riding
around in the bushes :-)
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 17:05:53 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had >>>> a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line >>>> dry lube. Cleans up nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish line/muck off >>> etc turn into a black paste quite frankly within one ride, for frankly bog >>> snorkelling type MTB rides a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/cafe the young >>> woman serving me ask me -owas it worth it really!-o As I was sopping after >>> riding the woods with the melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet >>> winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike as to ride it >>> as is the way of such things!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago bicycles were
forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and the various bicycle
groups lobbied vigorously to gain the right to use public roads....
and now , although they have had that right for years, they are riding
around in the bushes :-)
...and on bike trails. Fact is that the vast majority bicycle riding
today is recreational.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 17:05:53 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for. I tried
white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything up and I think I had >>>>> a bit of rust on the chain plates. I've gone back to using Finish Line >>>>> dry lube. Cleans up nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish line/muck off >>>> etc turn into a black paste quite frankly within one ride, for frankly bog >>>> snorkelling type MTB rides a oil that can hang on in there makes sense! >>>>
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/cafe the young >>>> woman serving me ask me ?was it worth it really!? As I was sopping after >>>> riding the woods with the melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet >>>> winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike as to ride it >>>> as is the way of such things!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago bicycles were
forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and the various bicycle
groups lobbied vigorously to gain the right to use public roads....
and now , although they have had that right for years, they are riding
around in the bushes :-)
...and on bike trails. Fact is that the vast majority bicycle riding
today is recreational.
Rather depends on where you are in the world! Some of for example london
bike infrastructure sees 15,000 riders per day, will be some roadies doing >high miles but this will be outliers and only on the weekend generally,
where as commuting or errands see the cargo bike market which is larger
than the recumbents market, generally mums with kids, for various practical >reasons fairly common to see such bikes out and about particularly near >parks/schools and so on that my mums with kids might have reason or
interest in being there.
US bike useage even on big cities or areas like the trails around Florida >show significantly lower rates than even the Uk, London itAs in the Million >something per day, where as New York is still in the hundreds of thousands, >IAd expect Bay Area to be similar, only two with broadly similar
populations to London.
Lot of European cityAs have better rates again though being *only* a few >million population the absolute numbers arenAt likely to increase on
LondonAs
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 9 Oct 2025 18:25:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:Yes, the usa is pretty committed to cars and trucks and average
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 17:05:53 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-
to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for.
I tried white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything
up and I think I had a bit of rust on the chain plates.
I've gone back to using Finish Line dry lube. Cleans up
nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish
line/muck off etc turn into a black paste quite frankly
within one ride, for frankly bog snorkelling type MTB rides
a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/
cafe the young woman serving me ask me ?was it worth it
really!? As I was sopping after riding the woods with the
melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike
as to ride it as is the way of such things!
-- C'est bon Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago
bicycles were forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and
the various bicycle groups lobbied vigorously to gain the
right to use public roads.... and now , although they have had
that right for years, they are riding around in the bushes :-)
...and on bike trails. Fact is that the vast majority bicycle
riding today is recreational.
Rather depends on where you are in the world! Some of for example
london bike infrastructure sees 15,000 riders per day, will be
some roadies doing high miles but this will be outliers and only
on the weekend generally, where as commuting or errands see the
cargo bike market which is larger than the recumbents market,
generally mums with kids, for various practical reasons fairly
common to see such bikes out and about particularly near parks/
schools and so on that my mums with kids might have reason or
interest in being there.
US bike useage even on big cities or areas like the trails around
Florida show significantly lower rates than even the Uk, London
itrCOs in the Million something per day, where as New York is still
in the hundreds of thousands, IrCOd expect Bay Area to be similar,
only two with broadly similar populations to London.
Lot of European cityrCOs have better rates again though being *only*
a few million population the absolute numbers arenrCOt likely to
increase on LondonrCOs
commuting distances are longer. Makes me wonder though, if commuting distances are longer because we're commited to cars and trucks, or
vice versa.
Am 09.10.2025 um 21:44 schrieb Catrike Ryder:
On 9 Oct 2025 18:25:04 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:Yes, the usa is pretty committed to cars and trucks and average
On Wed, 08 Oct 2025 17:05:53 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2025 22:05:27 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2025 11:24:36 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/chains-when-to-wax-when-
to-lube/
Waxing a 13 foot chain would be a chore I'm not ready for.
I tried white lightning wax lube and it gummed everything
up and I think I had a bit of rust on the chain plates.
I've gone back to using Finish Line dry lube. Cleans up
nice.
For my uses which are wetter and grittier stuff like finish
line/muck off etc turn into a black paste quite frankly
within one ride, for frankly bog snorkelling type MTB rides
a oil that can hang on in there makes sense!
After one such ride having a coffee/cake in the bike shop/
cafe the young woman serving me ask me ?was it worth it
really!? As I was sopping after riding the woods with the
melting snow so was even by uk standards a wet winter ride!
And yes it was though took almost as long to clean the bike
as to ride it as is the way of such things!
-- C'est bon Soloman
Roger Merriman
I find it rather humorous as many, many, many, years ago
bicycles were forbidden to use public roads in the U.S. and
the various bicycle groups lobbied vigorously to gain the
right to use public roads.... and now , although they have had
that right for years, they are riding around in the bushes :-)
...and on bike trails. Fact is that the vast majority bicycle
riding today is recreational.
Rather depends on where you are in the world! Some of for example
london bike infrastructure sees 15,000 riders per day, will be
some roadies doing high miles but this will be outliers and only
on the weekend generally, where as commuting or errands see the
cargo bike market which is larger than the recumbents market,
generally mums with kids, for various practical reasons fairly
common to see such bikes out and about particularly near parks/
schools and so on that my mums with kids might have reason or
interest in being there.
US bike useage even on big cities or areas like the trails around
Florida show significantly lower rates than even the Uk, London
itAs in the Million something per day, where as New York is still
in the hundreds of thousands, IAd expect Bay Area to be similar,
only two with broadly similar populations to London.
Lot of European cityAs have better rates again though being *only*
a few million population the absolute numbers arenAt likely to
increase on LondonAs
commuting distances are longer. Makes me wonder though, if commuting
distances are longer because we're commited to cars and trucks, or
vice versa.
In a control circuit, there is no unidirectional cause and effect.
Generically, people in most parts of the world look for the "best"
apartment within a 30 minute commute and grudgingly accept a 60 minute >commute (by their preferred mode of transport), so people with a mindset
to commute by bicycle accept physically shorter commutes than people
with a mindset to commute by car.
Personally, my conditions were
1) want to live "urban" (tram line into city) rather than suburban
2) want to be able to commute by bike
3) want to have a fallback by public transport to not need a car
This led to edge-of-city living with an 8 mile reverse commute to a
small town: commute by bike 30 minutes, public transport 30 minutes, car
30 minutes.
When we only had one kid, we lived closer to the city center, extending
the commute to 45 minutes in all three variations.
London is an exemption to this, in that people around London accept
double the usual commute time (probably because the wage level between >central London and elsewhere is significantly larger than elsewhere).