• In other legal news.....

    From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sat Oct 4 08:10:49 2025
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    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible and, according to
    the company, rCLA compliant alternative would require a complete redesign, estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAMrCOs ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.rCY"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader complaint that
    this affects their position in the marketplace, for no reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.
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  • From Roger Merriman@roger@sarlet.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sun Oct 5 11:14:06 2025
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    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible and, according to
    the company, rCLA compliant alternative would require a complete redesign, estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAMrCOs ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.rCY"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader complaint that this affects their position in the marketplace, for no reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.


    Yup a cassette with a 11t wouldnrCOt be much, though while I can see that higher speeds potentially reduce reaction times, and add energy to the
    impact.

    IrCOm not aware that this has increased the rate or severity of crashes.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From zen cycle@funkmasterxx@hotmail.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sun Oct 5 08:28:46 2025
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    On 10/5/2025 7:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible and, according to
    the company, rCLA compliant alternative would require a complete redesign, >> estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAMrCOs ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.rCY"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader complaint that
    this affects their position in the marketplace, for no reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.


    Yup a cassette with a 11t wouldnrCOt be much, though while I can see that higher speeds potentially reduce reaction times, and add energy to the impact.

    IrCOm not aware that this has increased the rate or severity of crashes.

    Roger Merriman

    True. while there have been some horrific crashes in high speed
    sprints (Dylan Groenewegen/Fabio Jakobsen 2020 tour of poland) the
    majority of serious accidents and deaths occur on high-speed descents.
    While it might seem a 10 tooth cog would exacerbate that, it isn't
    really a factor once you spin out.
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  • From Roger Merriman@roger@sarlet.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sun Oct 5 13:30:12 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/5/2025 7:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible and, according to
    the company, rCLA compliant alternative would require a complete redesign, >>> estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAMrCOs ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.rCY"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader complaint that >>> this affects their position in the marketplace, for no reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.


    Yup a cassette with a 11t wouldnrCOt be much, though while I can see that
    higher speeds potentially reduce reaction times, and add energy to the
    impact.

    IrCOm not aware that this has increased the rate or severity of crashes.

    Roger Merriman

    True. while there have been some horrific crashes in high speed
    sprints (Dylan Groenewegen/Fabio Jakobsen 2020 tour of poland) the
    majority of serious accidents and deaths occur on high-speed descents.
    While it might seem a 10 tooth cog would exacerbate that, it isn't
    really a factor once you spin out.

    Indeed the gearing one has, is probably the least important factor in terms
    of equipment and the bike tech, to be honest considering road bikes arenrCOt that different that this is something that is definitely more down to the
    rider skill and technique and committing to the risks, than the bike being better or not.

    Roger Merriman

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  • From AMuzi@am@yellowjersey.org to rec.bicycles.tech on Sun Oct 5 09:17:10 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.bicycles.tech

    On 10/5/2025 7:28 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 10/5/2025 7:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-
    another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible
    and, according to
    the company, rCLA compliant alternative would require a
    complete redesign,
    estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAMrCOs
    ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.rCY"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up
    with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader
    complaint that
    this affects their position in the marketplace, for no
    reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at
    higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.


    Yup a cassette with a 11t wouldnrCOt be much, though while I
    can see that
    higher speeds potentially reduce reaction times, and add
    energy to the
    impact.

    IrCOm not aware that this has increased the rate or severity
    of crashes.

    Roger Merriman

    -aTrue. while there have been some horrific crashes in high
    speed sprints (Dylan Groenewegen/Fabio Jakobsen 2020 tour of
    poland) the majority of serious accidents and deaths occur
    on high-speed descents. While it might seem a 10 tooth cog
    would exacerbate that, it isn't really a factor once you
    spin out.


    +1 to that.
    Gearing is just not significant to that problem.
    --
    Andrew Muzi
    am@yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?Y3ljbGludG9t?=@cyclintom@yahoo.com to rec.bicycles.tech on Sun Oct 5 20:30:45 2025
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    On Sun Oct 5 09:17:10 2025 AMuzi wrote:
    On 10/5/2025 7:28 AM, zen cycle wrote:
    On 10/5/2025 7:14 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
    zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Sram moving forward with it's lawsuit against the UCI

    https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-gear/uci-takes-> >>> another-knock-as-sram-initiates-legal-proceedings/

    Apparently unable to get the UCI to come to the table.

    I find this rationale:

    "SRAM currently offers no cassettes that are feasible
    and, according to
    the company, ?A compliant alternative would require a
    complete redesign,
    estimated to take years, significantly impacting SRAM?s
    ability to
    compete in racing and the broader cycling market.?"

    to be a sketchy at best. It won't take years to come up
    with a new
    cassette - that's ridiculous. I do understand the broader
    complaint that
    this affects their position in the marketplace, for no
    reason that has
    any verifiable metric - "show how more accidents occur at
    higher
    speeds". That's a tough sell.


    Yup a cassette with a 11t wouldn?t be much, though while I
    can see that
    higher speeds potentially reduce reaction times, and add
    energy to the
    impact.

    I?m not aware that this has increased the rate or severity
    of crashes.

    Roger Merriman

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