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<https://youtu.be/sbKyNJ2eo-k?si=3dXE-ldna0ILLtLhci>I haven't entered or requested anything from Strava but apparently Garmin autgomatically enters my rides into Strava and they keep sending me emails about how I have been setting some sort of records in their seqmwnts which I donh't even know what they are.
Worth a read or watch in terms of tech.
<https://youtu.be/sbKyNJ2eo-k?si=XE-ldna0ILLtLhci>
Worth a read or watch in terms of tech.
Roger Merriman
On 2 Oct 2025 14:19:35 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I don't even know what they are but they appear to be sections of routes.
<https://youtu.be/sbKyNJ2eo-k?si=3dXE-ldna0ILLtLhci>
Worth a read or watch in terms of tech.
Roger Merriman
I'm not interested in segments or heatmaps. I don't even look at them
so I don't care if they're eliminated.
<https://youtu.be/sbKyNJ2eo-k?si=XE-ldna0ILLtLhci>
Worth a read or watch in terms of tech.
On 10/2/2025 10:19 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://youtu.be/sbKyNJ2eo-k?si=XE-ldna0ILLtLhci>
Worth a read or watch in terms of tech.
It's also here:
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2025/10/strava-sues-garmin-demands-stop-selling-devices.html
with a rather lucid non-legal critique by Ray. It's a long read, but
worth it imo.
Strava has made many missteps in its existence, such as suddenly
revoking features from the free version of the app to the pay version
but offering no other incentives to pay, the inability to properly
manage sensor pairing
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/10/strava-support-workout.html
then a pricing scam https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2023/01/responds-pricing-country.html
then the whole partner API fiasco
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/11/stravas-changes-to-kill-off-apps.html
I've never paid for Strava, likely never will, especially now. I have a Training Peaks account which has been using AI assisted coaching metrics
for a while and holds the patent for WKO analysis.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/wko5/
Yes, more expensive, but you get a _lot_ more for your money, and for
the past two years have been running a virtual app similar to Zwift, but unlike Zwift links directly to your biometric account.
This lawsuit seems to be a money grab - extortion similar to that
practiced by trump - just launch a lawsuit in order to get a settlement.
Hopefully Garmin doesn't back down. According to Rainmaker, Garmin has
never lost a lawsuit, and has apparently won every patent suit brought against them. They're 20 times larger than Strava too, that may be
enough of an incentive to just settle: "shut up little man, here's some money, go away"
Too bad that won't work with tommy.
Garmin should just buy Strava and file the entire business team for
being assholes.
I'm not interested in segments or heatmaps. I don't even look at them
so I don't care if they're eliminated.
I don't even know what [segments] are but they appear to be sections of >routes.
Hopefully Garmin doesn't back down. According to Rainmaker, Garmin has
never lost a lawsuit, and has apparently won every patent suit brought >against them.
In article <10bo7va$t9s9$4@dont-email.me>,
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully Garmin doesn't back down. According to Rainmaker, Garmin has
never lost a lawsuit, and has apparently won every patent suit brought
against them.
I hate software patents, and these seem particularly dumb. I hope Garmin
wins on that basis alone.
In article <10bo7va$t9s9$4@dont-email.me>,
zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully Garmin doesn't back down. According to Rainmaker, Garmin has
never lost a lawsuit, and has apparently won every patent suit brought
against them.
I hate software patents, and these seem particularly dumb. I hope Garmin
wins on that basis alone.
doesn't the author deserve recompense as in any other intellectual
property?
In article <10bp1d4$20a1k$1@dont-email.me>, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
There are indeed abuses and egregious examples but, in principle,
doesn't the author deserve recompense as in any other intellectual
property?
I, too, have developed and sold software, so we're in good company. :)
But there has not been a single product I've worked on in my entire
career that needed patent protection, no matter how novel, for companies
both gigantic and tiny. Trade secrets and first-to-market dominated.
There definitely were things I did that *could* have been patented,
given the loosey-goosey behavior of the Patent Office, but I definitely shouldn't have, and didn't.
We do deserve compensation, but the patent system is broken. Patent
trolls cause all kinds of problems, and most of the patented stuff is
obvious to those well-versed in the art, being simple and direct
extensions of existing technologies. And the concept of patenting what
is equivalent to math is... unpalatable at best. Net loss, IMHO.
Business process patents on which software is based is a relatively new invention. But if we're going to keep them, the *least* we can do is
shorten the software patent term to something like three years; 20 is ridiculous in this industry.
Finally, since you're a software developer, be advised that the code you
have written has *definitely* violated a variety of software patents.
On 10/3/2025 3:57 PM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <10bp1d4$20a1k$1@dont-email.me>, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
There are indeed abuses and egregious examples but, in principle,
doesn't the author deserve recompense as in any other intellectual
property?
I, too, have developed and sold software, so we're in good company. :)
But there has not been a single product I've worked on in my entire
career that needed patent protection, no matter how novel, for companies
both gigantic and tiny. Trade secrets and first-to-market dominated.
There definitely were things I did that *could* have been patented,
given the loosey-goosey behavior of the Patent Office, but I definitely
shouldn't have, and didn't.
We do deserve compensation, but the patent system is broken. Patent
trolls cause all kinds of problems, and most of the patented stuff is
obvious to those well-versed in the art, being simple and direct
extensions of existing technologies. And the concept of patenting what
is equivalent to math is... unpalatable at best. Net loss, IMHO.
Business process patents on which software is based is a relatively new
invention. But if we're going to keep them, the *least* we can do is
shorten the software patent term to something like three years; 20 is
ridiculous in this industry.
Finally, since you're a software developer, be advised that the code you
have written has *definitely* violated a variety of software patents.
We agree on a lot, especially time limits which apply as
well to copyright. Or ought to, as they once were.
My product was in 1986~1988 and I'm reasonably confident it
violated nothing. As with software generally, it went
obsolete long before any legal term limit!
On 10/3/2025 11:48 AM, Beej Jorgensen wrote:
In article <10bo7va$t9s9$4@dont-email.me>,There are indeed abuses and egregious examples but, in principle,
zen cycle-a <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully Garmin doesn't back down. According to Rainmaker, Garmin has
never lost a lawsuit, and has apparently won every patent suit brought
against them.
I hate software patents, and these seem particularly dumb. I hope Garmin
wins on that basis alone.
doesn't the author deserve recompense as in any other intellectual
property?
(I have developed and sold software)