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https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
Why did it take them two years?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 9/29/2025 9:00 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
Why did it take them two years?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Note where it happened.
https://crimelab.uchicago.edu/projects/clearance-rates/
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
While pandering for the muggers' votes, Mr Mamdami carried
the point further:
https://nypost.com/2025/08/24/us-news/nyc-mayoral-candidate-zohran-mamdani-wants-to-end-all-misdemeanor-charges-e-zpass-for-criminals
"What violent crime is u is defined by the state.o
oViolence is an artificial construction.o
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
In the UK at least the reporting of a murder trial is fairly controlled for
a number of reasons, including so a trial can be legally held.
IAm guessing itAs a robbery gone wrong, the article is fairly loose on
facts. That heAs avoided jail despite a fairly long criminal record,
granted seem to be robbery and the like. IAd not call him a career criminal >as just seem low rent stuff, ie credit cards and so on, IAm guessing drugs >use and so on.
Could be overcrowded at prisons, building new prisons isnAt particularly a >vote winner and all that. UK government essentially had to do this as the
new Government came in, ie they had to release number of prisoners as they >where already using Police cells in some cases so where really at or over >capacity.
Could be policing it is their job to build a case.
Could be just fragmented police/systems though does seem reportable how
many crimes heAs committed and relatively low prison time.
Either way the system seem to have failed to protect citizens from a
criminal who maybe didnAt intend to kill but shown to be capable, doesnAt >seem to be any doubt he shot her.
Roger Merriman
On 30 Sep 2025 20:59:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
In the UK at least the reporting of a murder trial is fairly controlled for >> a number of reasons, including so a trial can be legally held.
I-Am guessing it-As a robbery gone wrong, the article is fairly loose on
facts. That he-As avoided jail despite a fairly long criminal record,
granted seem to be robbery and the like. I-Ad not call him a career criminal >> as just seem low rent stuff, ie credit cards and so on, I-Am guessing drugs >> use and so on.
Could be overcrowded at prisons, building new prisons isn-At particularly a >> vote winner and all that. UK government essentially had to do this as the
new Government came in, ie they had to release number of prisoners as they >> where already using Police cells in some cases so where really at or over
capacity.
Could be policing it is their job to build a case.
Could be just fragmented police/systems though does seem reportable how
many crimes he-As committed and relatively low prison time.
Either way the system seem to have failed to protect citizens from a
criminal who maybe didn-At intend to kill but shown to be capable, doesn-At >> seem to be any doubt he shot her.
Roger Merriman
"Maybe didn-At intend to kill?" Of course he meant to kill. Pointing at
her and pulling the trigger is proof he meant to kill.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 20:59:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
In the UK at least the reporting of a murder trial is fairly controlled for >>> a number of reasons, including so a trial can be legally held.
I?m guessing it?s a robbery gone wrong, the article is fairly loose on
facts. That he?s avoided jail despite a fairly long criminal record,
granted seem to be robbery and the like. I?d not call him a career criminal >>> as just seem low rent stuff, ie credit cards and so on, I?m guessing drugs >>> use and so on.
Could be overcrowded at prisons, building new prisons isn?t particularly a >>> vote winner and all that. UK government essentially had to do this as the >>> new Government came in, ie they had to release number of prisoners as they >>> where already using Police cells in some cases so where really at or over >>> capacity.
Could be policing it is their job to build a case.
Could be just fragmented police/systems though does seem reportable how
many crimes he?s committed and relatively low prison time.
Either way the system seem to have failed to protect citizens from a
criminal who maybe didn?t intend to kill but shown to be capable, doesn?t >>> seem to be any doubt he shot her.
Roger Merriman
"Maybe didn?t intend to kill?" Of course he meant to kill. Pointing at
her and pulling the trigger is proof he meant to kill.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
ItAs pre meditated or not, ie did someone go with the intent to kill or did >it happen in the moment courts do tend to treat the two as differently even >if it doesnAt do the victim much either way.
Roger Merriman
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
On 30 Sep 2025 22:24:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 20:59:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
In the UK at least the reporting of a murder trial is fairly controlled for
a number of reasons, including so a trial can be legally held.
I?m guessing it?s a robbery gone wrong, the article is fairly loose on >>>> facts. That he?s avoided jail despite a fairly long criminal record,
granted seem to be robbery and the like. I?d not call him a career criminal
as just seem low rent stuff, ie credit cards and so on, I?m guessing drugs >>>> use and so on.
Could be overcrowded at prisons, building new prisons isn?t particularly a >>>> vote winner and all that. UK government essentially had to do this as the >>>> new Government came in, ie they had to release number of prisoners as they >>>> where already using Police cells in some cases so where really at or over >>>> capacity.
Could be policing it is their job to build a case.
Could be just fragmented police/systems though does seem reportable how >>>> many crimes he?s committed and relatively low prison time.
Either way the system seem to have failed to protect citizens from a
criminal who maybe didn?t intend to kill but shown to be capable, doesn?t >>>> seem to be any doubt he shot her.
Roger Merriman
"Maybe didn?t intend to kill?" Of course he meant to kill. Pointing at
her and pulling the trigger is proof he meant to kill.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
ItAs pre meditated or not, ie did someone go with the intent to kill or did >>it happen in the moment courts do tend to treat the two as differently even >>if it doesnAt do the victim much either way.
Roger Merriman
My opinion is that if someone commits a crime with a loaded gun,
he/she has an intent to kill. Therefore, if they do kill, it's
premeditated. Too bad the US legal system doesn't see it that way.
On 30 Sep 2025 11:11:42 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
I think you are in Great Briton so perhaps you don't realize that each
U.S. state has it's own legal system and then comes the Federal
system. You could be "wanted" by one state and simply move to a
different state where there would be no State penalties to be
answered.
--
cheers,
John B.
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 11:11:42 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
I think you are in Great Briton so perhaps you don't realize that each
U.S. state has it's own legal system and then comes the Federal
system. You could be "wanted" by one state and simply move to a
different state where there would be no State penalties to be
answered.
--
cheers,
John B.
IAm assuming thatAs to do with the guy with multiple felonyAs etc than the >guy speeding through a junction? I was vaguely aware though not that clear
of the details.
That does seem a suboptimal system really.
Roger Merriman
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 11:11:42 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
I think you are in Great Briton so perhaps you don't realize that each
U.S. state has it's own legal system and then comes the Federal
system. You could be "wanted" by one state and simply move to a
different state where there would be no State penalties to be
answered.
--
cheers,
John B.
IrCOm assuming thatrCOs to do with the guy with multiple felonyrCOs etc than the
guy speeding through a junction? I was vaguely aware though not that clear
of the details.
That does seem a suboptimal system really.
Roger Merriman
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to
prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of
those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or
5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 19:49:40 -0400, Catrike Ryder
<Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 22:24:14 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 30 Sep 2025 20:59:01 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 3:09 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 08:51:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial . >>>>>>>>>> --
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though. >>>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
https://nypost.com/2025/09/30/us-news/grieving-father-of-logan-federico-blasts-pols-for-lax-crime-policies-that-allowed-daughters-career-criminal-killer-to-remain-on-the-streets/
Why bother to arrest them?
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Exactly. Much is made of a need for 'policing', but a guy
with 39 convictions, 25 felonies, is still out and about.
That is not a failure of policing.
In the UK at least the reporting of a murder trial is fairly controlled for
a number of reasons, including so a trial can be legally held.
I?m guessing it?s a robbery gone wrong, the article is fairly loose on >>>>> facts. That he?s avoided jail despite a fairly long criminal record, >>>>> granted seem to be robbery and the like. I?d not call him a career criminal
as just seem low rent stuff, ie credit cards and so on, I?m guessing drugs
use and so on.
Could be overcrowded at prisons, building new prisons isn?t particularly a
vote winner and all that. UK government essentially had to do this as the >>>>> new Government came in, ie they had to release number of prisoners as they
where already using Police cells in some cases so where really at or over >>>>> capacity.
Could be policing it is their job to build a case.
Could be just fragmented police/systems though does seem reportable how >>>>> many crimes he?s committed and relatively low prison time.
Either way the system seem to have failed to protect citizens from a >>>>> criminal who maybe didn?t intend to kill but shown to be capable, doesn?t >>>>> seem to be any doubt he shot her.
Roger Merriman
"Maybe didn?t intend to kill?" Of course he meant to kill. Pointing at >>>> her and pulling the trigger is proof he meant to kill.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
ItrCOs pre meditated or not, ie did someone go with the intent to kill or did
it happen in the moment courts do tend to treat the two as differently even >>> if it doesnrCOt do the victim much either way.
Roger Merriman
My opinion is that if someone commits a crime with a loaded gun,
he/she has an intent to kill. Therefore, if they do kill, it's
premeditated. Too bad the US legal system doesn't see it that way.
"Premeditated" is a sort of sometime thing. We neeed a third
classification - "Maybe"? I got my gun and it's loaded but I wasn't
really planning on shootimg anyone (Its Tuesday morning)?
--
cheers,
John B.
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to
prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of
those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or
5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc, >>>>> why would they be?
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to
prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of
those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or
5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The
prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of
income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
On 10/1/2025 7:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to
prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of
those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or >>>> 5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The
prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of
income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
Those are yet current. In most states, they are a privilege
for low or medium security inmates and supply other prisons
and institutions of the State.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 07:40:27 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/1/2025 7:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To >>>>>>>> bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial .
--
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though.
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to
prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of >>>>> those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or >>>>> 5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The
prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of
income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
Those are yet current. In most states, they are a privilege
for low or medium security inmates and supply other prisons
and institutions of the State.
I believe that only 9 states have prison farms :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 08:55:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:--
On 10/2/2025 8:21 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 07:40:27 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/1/2025 7:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial . >>>>>>>>>> --
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though. >>>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to >>>>>>> prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of >>>>>>> those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or >>>>>>> 5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The
prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of >>>>> income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
Those are yet current. In most states, they are a privilege
for low or medium security inmates and supply other prisons
and institutions of the State.
I believe that only 9 states have prison farms :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Thank you. I didn't know they were reduced to that extent.
I was familiar with the Wisconsin operation (I knew someone
serving a sentence there) years ago.
I don't know but I've always assumed that the reason for the
relatively few prison farms was because it is so crual, in the U.S., , >according to what I read, to force so many people to actually work :-)
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 08:55:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:--
On 10/2/2025 8:21 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 07:40:27 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/1/2025 7:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial . >>>>>>>>>> --
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though. >>>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until
they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to >>>>>>> prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of >>>>>>> those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or >>>>>>> 5 years after competing their original sentence for additional
criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The
prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of >>>>> income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
Those are yet current. In most states, they are a privilege
for low or medium security inmates and supply other prisons
and institutions of the State.
I believe that only 9 states have prison farms :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Thank you. I didn't know they were reduced to that extent.
I was familiar with the Wisconsin operation (I knew someone
serving a sentence there) years ago.
I don't know but I've always assumed that the reason for the
relatively few prison farms was because it is so crual, in the U.S., , >according to what I read, to force so many people to actually work :-)
On Thu, 02 Oct 2025 17:45:21 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 08:55:06 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:--
On 10/2/2025 8:21 AM, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 2 Oct 2025 07:40:27 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 10/1/2025 7:54 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 1 Oct 2025 07:49:40 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 7:48 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:44:30 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 9/30/2025 6:11 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 08:47:28 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Unless someone is perceived to be a risk of flight or harm to others etc,
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/dna-paint-tie-driver-to-hit-and-run-crash-that-killed-81-year-old-bicyclist.html
I read that the accused murderer will remain free until the trial. To
bad the poor bicyclist can't remain alive until he trial . >>>>>>>>>>> --
cheers,
John B.
why would they be?
Might have their license revoked or other conditions though. >>>>>>>>>>
Roger Merriman
In theory.
In life, some people's violent behavior doesn't change until >>>>>>>>> they are confined away from the citizenry.
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/violent-16-time-felon-attacked-stranger-with-hammer-then-escaped-on-a-cta-bus-prosecutors.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/convicted-murderer-among-drivers-allegedly-caught-with-guns-during-traffic-stops-in-chicago.html
https://cwbchicago.com/2025/09/a-consistent-intent-to-kill-2008-attempted-murderer-faces-a-new-full-blown-murder-charge-in-chicago.html
or peruse any overnight police blotter in any city.
And while imprisoning is a punishment it apparently does little to >>>>>>>> prevent future criminal acts as studies show that a major percent of >>>>>>>> those who have served a prison sentence are arrested again within 5 or >>>>>>>> 5 years after competing their original sentence for additional >>>>>>>> criminal acts.
--
cheers,
John B.
Right.
While not a permanent solution, the citizenry is spared for
a few years. That's not nothing.
I've always thought that Prison Farms were a partial solution. The >>>>>> prisoners do something useful and they apathetically produce a bit of >>>>>> income for the state.
--
cheers,
John B.
Those are yet current. In most states, they are a privilege
for low or medium security inmates and supply other prisons
and institutions of the State.
I believe that only 9 states have prison farms :-)
--
cheers,
John B.
Thank you. I didn't know they were reduced to that extent.
I was familiar with the Wisconsin operation (I knew someone
serving a sentence there) years ago.
I don't know but I've always assumed that the reason for the
relatively few prison farms was because it is so crual, in the U.S., ,
according to what I read, to force so many people to actually work :-)
cheers,
John B.