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<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems rather arbitrary see also bar width.
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had
legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems
rather arbitrary see also bar width.
This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present
regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need
for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since
while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph
that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can
develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing
more than a time trial?
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had
legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems
rather arbitrary see also bar width.
This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing more than a time trial?
On 9/20/2025 9:38 AM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had >> legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems >> rather arbitrary see also bar width.
You and I agree 90% of the time and we agree that regulating bicycle races is pretty silly. But PERHAPS in the interests of safety weight linits are not such a bad idea. At the speeds that pros are now riding, I don't think that helmets are of much help. But they DO keep a riders head from direct contact with the ground. And riders tending to be young and overly masculine, setting rules to keep from being able to publish pretty disgusting pictures of crashes in races is probably a good idea.This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing more than a time trial?
In the early days of mountain bike races, the rule book had
two entries.
1. We all start on the same line together.
2. First rider across the finish line wins.
I think that covers all the important details. Anything more
is the ridiculous martinets at UCI being ridiculous because
they are martinets.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had >> legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems >> rather arbitrary see also bar width.
I think that SRAM has some sort of argument because they want to use 1 x's I think in order to climb in the big ring they are using 49's instead of 54's. So they want to put 9 tooth cogs on the cassettes. While I am dead slow, I am passed once in awhile by young men who believe they are fast.This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present
regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since
while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Pros are using big chainrings for efficiency, and note the average speeds particularly flatter one day classics can be high, but even so folks using big chainrings aren?t likely to be using the last few cogs much.
This much like some of their disk brake rotors are sharp etc stuff seems
knee jerk and data less reaction.
Ie I don?t recall any data being released or suggested to back up their reasoning.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing more than a time trial?
On Sat Sep 20 16:02:33 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had >>>> legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems >>>> rather arbitrary see also bar width.
This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present
regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need >>> for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since
while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph >>> that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than
improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in >>> more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can
develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Pros are using big chainrings for efficiency, and note the average speeds
particularly flatter one day classics can be high, but even so folks using >> big chainrings aren?t likely to be using the last few cogs much.
This much like some of their disk brake rotors are sharp etc stuff seems
knee jerk and data less reaction.
Ie I don?t recall any data being released or suggested to back up their
reasoning.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing
more than a time trial?
I think that SRAM has some sort of argument because they want to use 1 x's I think in order to climb in the big ring they are using 49's instead of 54's. So they want to put 9 tooth cogs on the cassettes. While I am dead slow, I am passed once in awhile by young men who believe they are fast.
A 28 mm tire is 88" in circumferance. Or 7.4 feet. Or .0014 miles.
A 54-11 is about 5 rev0olutions of the wheels per revolution of the crank. That is .007 miles pedr turn of the crank.
Pros have a cadence of 75 or .525 per minute or 31 mph in high gear but break aways are doing this ALL DAY, day after day in grand tours.
So while the break aways are in high gear, they are only gaining about 2 seconds per mile on the peleton.
This tells me that until they have a certain lead, the peleton in only riding a slightly lower cadence.
Now, in TT's they are riding a 56-11 or 10. Let's assume a 10 SRAM. This means a distance of 0.0126 per revolution of the pedals. Gall in the final TT did 60 mph or a cadence of 79 rpm.
By looking at these numbers, you can see the the main peleton is in high gear ALL of the time in a race. I really don't think that they can gain anything by raising the top gear ratios. Efficiency isn't all that high at 75 rpm cadence and 60 mph is insane and ONLY achieveable because of the shortening of the TT to 13-18 minutes.
Can you gain anything by raising the gears? The Aerodynamics of the bike can't be increased by more than 1 or 2% at this point. And you could only get that much by going back to rim brakes.
Riders already are about as aero as they can go. Because the absolute speed are relatively low, changes in helmet shape would add so little that it would be indetectable. The same with wheel shape after 80 mm depth. I would say that there can be NO changes that would detectably increase the speeds of the peleton though the Tour de France next yoear could always being some surprises but that would most likely be in the form of drugs that increase the capacity of muscles to process food into energy.
On 9/21/2025 5:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 16:02:33 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they have had >>>> legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and seems
rather arbitrary see also bar width.
This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present
regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little need >>> for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since
while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33 mph >>> that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than >>> improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a whole in >>> more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can
develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Pros are using big chainrings for efficiency, and note the average speeds >> particularly flatter one day classics can be high, but even so folks using >> big chainrings aren?t likely to be using the last few cogs much.
This much like some of their disk brake rotors are sharp etc stuff seems >> knee jerk and data less reaction.
Ie I don?t recall any data being released or suggested to back up their
reasoning.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing >>> more than a time trial?
I think that SRAM has some sort of argument because they want to use 1 x's I think in order to climb in the big ring they are using 49's instead of 54's. So they want to put 9 tooth cogs on the cassettes. While I am dead slow, I am passed once in awhile by young men who believe they are fast.
A 28 mm tire is 88" in circumferance. Or 7.4 feet. Or .0014 miles.
A 54-11 is about 5 rev0olutions of the wheels per revolution of the crank. That is .007 miles pedr turn of the crank.
Pros have a cadence of 75 or .525 per minute or 31 mph in high gear but break aways are doing this ALL DAY, day after day in grand tours.
So while the break aways are in high gear, they are only gaining about 2 seconds per mile on the peleton.
This tells me that until they have a certain lead, the peleton in only riding a slightly lower cadence.
Now, in TT's they are riding a 56-11 or 10. Let's assume a 10 SRAM. This means a distance of 0.0126 per revolution of the pedals. Gall in the final TT did 60 mph or a cadence of 79 rpm.
By looking at these numbers, you can see the the main peleton is in high gear ALL of the time in a race. I really don't think that they can gain anything by raising the top gear ratios. Efficiency isn't all that high at 75 rpm cadence and 60 mph is insane and ONLY achieveable because of the shortening of the TT to 13-18 minutes.
Can you gain anything by raising the gears? The Aerodynamics of the bike can't be increased by more than 1 or 2% at this point. And you could only get that much by going back to rim brakes.
Riders already are about as aero as they can go. Because the absolute speed are relatively low, changes in helmet shape would add so little that it would be indetectable. The same with wheel shape after 80 mm depth. I would say that there can be NO changes that would detectably increase the speeds of the peleton though the Tour de France next yoear could always being some surprises but that would most likely be in the form of drugs that increase the capacity of muscles to process food into energy.
Uh, a rider who's " only gaining about 2 seconds per mile onThen why isn't every breakaway winning?
the peleton." would win an historic record-shattering victory.
On 9/21/2025 5:44 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 16:02:33 2025 Roger Merriman-a wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sat Sep 20 13:39:09 2025 Roger Merriman-a wrote:
<https://www.bikeradar.com/news/sram-ceo-ken-lousberg-we-tried-to-
engage-uci-but-our-concerns-went-unheard?>
No idea clearly if the case is has merit though I?d assume they
have had
legal advice.
Doesn?t seem logically to have much merit the limit on gearing, and >>>>> seems
rather arbitrary see also bar width.
This is a preposterous claim from SRAM. Since with the present
regulations we have beoken a mile a minute record there seems little
need
for higher gearing and ANY fear can be spun out on decents. So since
while the peleton is riding all day at the preposterous speeds of 33
mph
that is well below the speed possible with present gearing. Rather than >>>> improve safety, higher gearing would simply put the peleton as a
whole in
more danger as they attempted to keep up with the few riders that can
develop the power to sustain higher gearing.
Pros are using big chainrings for efficiency, and note the average
speeds
particularly flatter one day classics can be high, but even so folks
using
big chainrings aren?t likely to be using the last few cogs much.
This much like some of their disk brake rotors are sharp etc stuff seems >>> knee jerk and data less reaction.
Ie I don?t recall any data being released or suggested to back up their
reasoning.
Would you like to see every race instead of a race, turned into nothing >>>> more than a time trial?
I think that SRAM has some sort of argument because they want to use 1
x's I think in order to climb in the big ring they are using 49's
instead of 54's. So they want to put 9 tooth cogs on the cassettes.
While I am dead slow, I am passed once in awhile by young men who
believe they are fast.
A 28 mm tire is 88" in circumferance. Or 7.4 feet. Or .0014 miles.
A 54-11 is about 5 rev0olutions of the wheels per revolution of the
crank.
That is .007 miles pedr turn of the crank.
Pros have a cadence of 75 or .525 per minute or 31 mph in high gear
but break aways are doing this ALL DAY, day after day in grand tours.
So while the break aways are in high gear, they are only gaining about
2 seconds per mile on the peleton.
This tells me that until they have a certain lead, the peleton in only
riding a slightly lower cadence.
Now, in TT's they are riding a 56-11 or 10. Let's assume a 10 SRAM.
This means a distance of 0.0126 per revolution of the pedals. Gall in
the final TT did 60 mph or a cadence of 79 rpm.
By looking at these numbers, you can see the the main peleton is in
high gear ALL of the time in a race. I really don't think that they
can gain anything by raising the top gear ratios. Efficiency isn't all
that high at 75 rpm cadence and 60 mph is insane and ONLY achieveable
because of the shortening of the TT to 13-18 minutes.
Can you gain anything by raising the gears? The Aerodynamics of the
bike can't be increased by more than 1 or 2% at this point. And you
could only get that much by going back to rim brakes.
Riders already are about as aero as they can go. Because the absolute
speed are relatively low, changes in helmet shape would add so little
that it would be indetectable. The same with wheel shape after 80 mm
depth. I would say that there can be NO changes that would detectably
increase the speeds of the peleton though the Tour de France next
yoear could always being some surprises but that would most likely be
in the form of drugs that increase the capacity of muscles to process
food into energy.
Uh, a rider who's " only gaining about 2 seconds per mile on the
peleton." would win an historic record-shattering victory.