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I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8 years. It rides
great and has probably 50K miles on it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it much more an almost exclusively since then except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have been riding like
a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It felt better, faster, smoother
and seems to steer better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly slower and the
bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong with shifting and performance
as far as riding. However I just have struggled with this bike because
is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike. I
tell you I am just lost.
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8 years. It rides
great and has probably 50K miles on it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it much more an almost exclusively since then except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have been riding like
a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It felt better, faster, smoother
and seems to steer better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly slower and the
bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong with shifting and performance
as far as riding. However I just have struggled with this bike because
is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike. I
tell you I am just lost.
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels
are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most
bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to contact
Habanero directly since they might not have the information
publicly published.The things I would look at are wheelbase,
seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/trail. A more
more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish
feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels
are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most
bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to contact
Habanero directly since they might not have the information
publicly published.The things I would look at are wheelbase,
seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/trail. A more
more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish
feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add. Habanero made de minimus changes for the
disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap
tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8 years. It
rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it much more
an almost exclusively since then except the last 3 months. I had
notice it seemed like the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/tire
heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not as
stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have been riding
like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It felt better, faster,
smoother and seems to steer better of with less something but I
cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly slower and
the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong with shifting and
performance as far as riding. However I just have struggled with this
bike because is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume
it weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more comfortable
and maybe I feel that a little but not that is handles any better? I
sit reasonably the same but possible a bit more up front on the rim
bike. I tell you I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the difference
in tire pressure for this as well. While the larger tires require less
pressure, you don't want to go _too_ low or you'll end up with exactly
what you're describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out,
if you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's probably
the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels are known to be the
best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry differences between
the two. You'll probably have to contact Habanero directly since they
might not have the information publicly published.The things I would
look at are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/
trail. A more more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish feel (though
it may, Andrew can probably give much better advice on what to look at
there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for the disc road,
just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap tires and then ride; much will
be revealed.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels
are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most
bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to contact
Habanero directly since they might not have the information
publicly published.The things I would look at are wheelbase,
seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/trail. A more
more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish
feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add. Habanero made de minimus changes for the
disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap
tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
This site <https://geometrygeeks.bike>
I like for comparing bikes, and useful when I was choosing a new frame to compare the options, as I wanted very close to what I had but with better tyre clearance, as Gravel bike tyres have increased a fair bit in the past decade or so.
Roger Merriman
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8 years. It ridesAs a suggestion return to 28 mm Continental GP 5000 on the disc bike and I'm pretty sure you'll see a performance boost. Also make sure that the disc's aren't dragging. Large tires have a lot of rolling resistance so unless you're putting 400 watts into the pedals all large tires add is a smoother ride.
great and has probably 50K miles on it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it much more an almost exclusively since then except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have been riding like
a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It felt better, faster, smoother
and seems to steer better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly slower and the
bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong with shifting and performance
as far as riding. However I just have struggled with this bike because
is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the flatlands of
Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more comfortable and
maybe I feel that a little but not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike. I
tell you I am just lost.
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On 8/25/2025 11:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it.
I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road
it much more an almost exclusively since then except the
last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was
a bit clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's
on it. If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my
rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it.
It felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer
better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However
I just have struggled with this bike because is just
does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it
weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live
in the flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that
is handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but
possible a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you
I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find out,
if you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike
it's probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better
wheels are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade
for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact Habanero directly since they might not have the
information publicly published.The things I would look at
are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork
rake/ trail. A more more slack geometry will definitely
make a bike less responsive, but shouldn't necessarily
affect the sluggish feel (though it may, Andrew can
probably give much better advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for the
disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap
tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
So your saying go back to 28mm tires and see how they ride
and the difference. I did notice this morning 56 mile ride I
did better but still not as snappy as the road bike. These
have Shimano disc wheels standard set like RS 171. Can
someone suggest a better upgrade without going to Fort Knox.
On 8/25/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find
out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels
are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most
bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact
Habanero directly since they might not have the information
publicly published.The things I would look at are
wheelbase,
seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/trail. A more
more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish
feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for the
disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap
tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
This site <https://geometrygeeks.bike>
I like for comparing bikes, and useful when I was choosing
a new frame to
compare the options, as I wanted very close to what I had
but with better
tyre clearance, as Gravel bike tyres have increased a fair
bit in the past
decade or so.
Roger Merriman
Would these be a decent upgrade? DT Swiss R470 Road Disc
Gravel Rear Wheel Shimano Ultegra RS770 Hub 8-11 Speed. Can
matching front.
On 8/25/2025 12:45 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 8/25/2025 11:34 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I
run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it
much more an almost exclusively since then except the last
3 months. I had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit
clunky or just wheel/tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it.
If fact in some ways it was not as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It
felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer better of
with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly
slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong
with shifting and performance as far as riding. However I
just have struggled with this bike because is just does
not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls assume it weights
maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live in the
flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more
comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but not that is
handles any better? I sit reasonably the same but possible
a bit more up front on the rim bike. I tell you I am just
lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the
difference in tire pressure for this as well. While the
larger tires require less pressure, you don't want to go
_too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what you're
describing. Swapping the tires would one way to find
out, if
you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike it's
probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels
are known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most
bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact
Habanero directly since they might not have the information
publicly published.The things I would look at are
wheelbase,
seat tube angle, head tube angle, fork rake/trail. A more
more slack geometry will definitely make a bike less
responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the sluggish
feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for the
disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap
tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
This site <https://geometrygeeks.bike>
I like for comparing bikes, and useful when I was choosing
a new frame to
compare the options, as I wanted very close to what I had
but with better
tyre clearance, as Gravel bike tyres have increased a fair
bit in the past
decade or so.
Roger Merriman
Would these be a decent upgrade? DT Swiss R470 Road Disc
Gravel Rear Wheel Shimano Ultegra RS770 Hub 8-11 Speed. Can
matching front.
Are you unhappy with your present rims in some way?
If so, sure. If uncertain, I'd mount a different tire first.
On 8/25/2025 12:39 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 8/25/2025 11:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8 years. It
rides great and has probably 50K miles on it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000. >>>>>
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had road it much
more an almost exclusively since then except the last 3 months. I
had notice it seemed like the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/
tire heavy. I run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not >>>>> as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have been riding
like a beast about 300 miles a week on it. It felt better, faster,
smoother and seems to steer better of with less something but I
cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was markedly slower and
the bike seems sluggish. Nothing at all wrong with shifting and
performance as far as riding. However I just have struggled with
this bike because is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I wouls >>>>> assume it weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but not much and I live
in the flatlands of Illinois nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is more comfortable >>>>> and maybe I feel that a little but not that is handles any better?
I sit reasonably the same but possible a bit more up front on the
rim bike. I tell you I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember the difference
in tire pressure for this as well. While the larger tires require
less pressure, you don't want to go _too_ low or you'll end up with
exactly what you're describing. Swapping the tires would one way to
find out, if you notice any improvement at all with the disc bike
it's probably the wheel/tire combination.-a FWIW - Better wheels are
known to be the best bang-for-the-buck upgrade for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry differences
between the two. You'll probably have to contact Habanero directly
since they might not have the information publicly published.The
things I would look at are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube
angle, fork rake/ trail. A more more slack geometry will definitely
make a bike less responsive, but shouldn't necessarily affect the
sluggish feel (though it may, Andrew can probably give much better
advice on what to look at there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for the disc road,
just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire pressure are
most probably at the root of this. Yes, swap tires and then ride;
much will be revealed.
So your saying go back to 28mm tires and see how they ride and the
difference. I did notice this morning 56 mile ride I did better but
still not as snappy as the road bike. These have Shimano disc wheels
standard set like RS 171. Can someone suggest a better upgrade without
going to Fort Knox.
Short answer = 'no'.
There are a great many excellent tires, a larger number of sorta OK
tires and a yet larger selection of crap. Prices may or may not reflect quality or performance or durability.
On 8/25/2025 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 12:39 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:From all I gather and my own experience nothing beats the
On 8/25/2025 11:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on
it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had
road it much more an almost exclusively since then
except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like
the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/ tire heavy. I
run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not
as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it.
It felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer
better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was
markedly slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing
at all wrong with shifting and performance as far as
riding. However I just have struggled with this bike
because is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I
wouls assume it weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but
not much and I live in the flatlands of Illinois
nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is
more comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but
not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the
same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike.
I tell you I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember
the difference in tire pressure for this as well. While
the larger tires require less pressure, you don't want
to go _too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what
you're describing. Swapping the tires would one way to
find out, if you notice any improvement at all with the
disc bike it's probably the wheel/tire combination.
FWIW - Better wheels are known to be the best bang-for-
the-buck upgrade for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact Habanero directly since they might not have the
information publicly published.The things I would look
at are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube angle,
fork rake/ trail. A more more slack geometry will
definitely make a bike less responsive, but shouldn't
necessarily affect the sluggish feel (though it may,
Andrew can probably give much better advice on what to
look at there).
Nothing to add.-a Habanero made de minimus changes for
the disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes,
swap tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
So your saying go back to 28mm tires and see how they
ride and the difference. I did notice this morning 56
mile ride I did better but still not as snappy as the
road bike. These have Shimano disc wheels standard set
like RS 171. Can someone suggest a better upgrade without
going to Fort Knox.
Short answer = 'no'.
There are a great many excellent tires, a larger number of
sorta OK tires and a yet larger selection of crap. Prices
may or may not reflect quality or performance or durability.
Continental Grand Prix 5000's? They have good wear and 330
tpi? Suggest another I check them out?
On 8/25/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 8/25/2025 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 12:39 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 8/25/2025 11:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on
it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had
road it much more an almost exclusively since then
except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like
the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/ tire heavy. I
run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not
as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it.
It felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer
better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was
markedly slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing
at all wrong with shifting and performance as far as
riding. However I just have struggled with this bike
because is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I
wouls assume it weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but
not much and I live in the flatlands of Illinois
nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is
more comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but
not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the
same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike.
I tell you I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember
the difference in tire pressure for this as well. While
the larger tires require less pressure, you don't want
to go _too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what
you're describing. Swapping the tires would one way to
find out, if you notice any improvement at all with the
disc bike it's probably the wheel/tire combination.
FWIW - Better wheels are known to be the best bang-for-
the-buck upgrade for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact Habanero directly since they might not have the
information publicly published.The things I would look
at are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube angle,
fork rake/ trail. A more more slack geometry will
definitely make a bike less responsive, but shouldn't
necessarily affect the sluggish feel (though it may,
Andrew can probably give much better advice on what to
look at there).
Nothing to add.--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2
On Mon Aug 25 15:31:46 2025 AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 2:22 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
On 8/25/2025 2:01 PM, AMuzi wrote:As discussed to death here over many years, for every frame
On 8/25/2025 12:39 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:From all I gather and my own experience nothing beats the
On 8/25/2025 11:17 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/25/2025 10:48 AM, zen cycle wrote:
On 8/24/2025 6:07 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:
I have a Habanero rim brake road bike I have had for 8
years. It rides great and has probably 50K miles on
it. I run 25mm Contr PG5000.
I bought a Habanero disc bike 2.5 years ago. I had
road it much more an almost exclusively since then
except the last 3 months. I had notice it seemed like
the bike was a bit clunky or just wheel/ tire heavy. I
run 32 COnti's on it. If fact in some ways it was not
as stable as my rim brake.
The past 3 months I went back to the Rim bike and have
been riding like a beast about 300 miles a week on it.
It felt better, faster, smoother and seems to steer
better of with less something but I cannot say.
Yesterday I went back to the disc Habby. I was
markedly slower and the bike seems sluggish. Nothing
at all wrong with shifting and performance as far as
riding. However I just have struggled with this bike
because is just does not seem as smooth and easy. I
wouls assume it weights maybe 1 or 2 pounds more but
not much and I live in the flatlands of Illinois
nothing to climb.
Is it the bigger tires? They keep saying bigger is
more comfortable and maybe I feel that a little but
not that is handles any better? I sit reasonably the
same but possible a bit more up front on the rim bike.
I tell you I am just lost.
Could be the wheels/tires. It's important to remember
the difference in tire pressure for this as well. While
the larger tires require less pressure, you don't want
to go _too_ low or you'll end up with exactly what
you're describing. Swapping the tires would one way to
find out, if you notice any improvement at all with the
disc bike it's probably the wheel/tire combination.
FWIW - Better wheels are known to be the best bang-for-
the-buck upgrade for most bikes.
Another thing worth investigating are any geometry
differences between the two. You'll probably have to
contact Habanero directly since they might not have the
information publicly published.The things I would look
at are wheelbase, seat tube angle, head tube angle,
fork rake/ trail. A more more slack geometry will
definitely make a bike less responsive, but shouldn't
necessarily affect the sluggish feel (though it may,
Andrew can probably give much better advice on what to
look at there).
Nothing to add. Habanero made de minimus changes for
the disc road, just enough for wider tire clearance.
Classic geometry here:
https://habcycles.com/roadold.html
Road disc geometry:
https://habcycles.com/road.html
I agree that tire width/model/casing/weight and tire
pressure are most probably at the root of this. Yes,
swap tires and then ride; much will be revealed.
So your saying go back to 28mm tires and see how they
ride and the difference. I did notice this morning 56
mile ride I did better but still not as snappy as the
road bike. These have Shimano disc wheels standard set
like RS 171. Can someone suggest a better upgrade without
going to Fort Knox.
Short answer = 'no'.
There are a great many excellent tires, a larger number of
sorta OK tires and a yet larger selection of crap. Prices
may or may not reflect quality or performance or durability.
Continental Grand Prix 5000's? They have good wear and 330
tpi? Suggest another I check them out?
material, builder, component and tire, choices are
evaluated differently by each rider (and for different
rides) on various personal criteria. It's entirely
subjective in that regard.
What's a fast lightweight tire? Panaracer Agilest or
Michelin Pro.
What's an extremely abuse-resistant tire? Panaracer RibMo or
Urban Max.
What has better road feel? Ask three riders, get five answers.
What's a good value overall? Unclear at best although each
rider weighs many factors to get to that individual answer
for that ride. As Mr Merriman notes frequently, this is
different for commuting and for gravel and different again
offroad.
The Michelin Pro now appears to be a competitor of the Gatorskin and not
a speed tire anymore.