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I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand
the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before
the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the
driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5
mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking
up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better
option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to
beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been
completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing
coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red
light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.
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Deacon Mark

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On 8/15/2025 11:04 AM, Mark J cleary wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road.
That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights
always right. Today out riding I rolled through a stop sign
as I always do. I point with my hand the direction of the
turn I was making. I was at the intersection before the car
on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and
the driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the
road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this
include those on the newsgroup. I ask because the
subdivision I ride in at times is a 5 mile loop with one
stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really like me.
Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me
taking up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a
much better option and actually safer because stopping
clipped in present some issues at times regardless. I don't
want to be road kill and trying to beat a car the
intersection is not wise but I have not always been
completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really
but there are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My
rule is that if nothing coming and I am not in some urban
setting I simply go through the red light. In the middle of
nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Yes, We all have our own standards of which laws are
reasonable, which are not and how to decide. Obviously,
we're subject to enforcement but that's often lax.

I stop at stop signs & red lights. I know others do not, and
I'm not looking for an argument; do what you do. You asked.

That said, I think running a stop sign is one thing and
running a stop sign to turn left across another person's
path is rude. Maybe defensible but I wouldn't do that.
Blowing a stop sign for a right turn is inoffensive IMHO.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:29:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/15/2025 11:04 AM, Mark J cleary wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road.
That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights
always right. Today out riding I rolled through a stop sign
as I always do. I point with my hand the direction of the
turn I was making. I was at the intersection before the car
on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and
the driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the
road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this
include those on the newsgroup. I ask because the
subdivision I ride in at times is a 5 mile loop with one
stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really like me.
Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me
taking up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a
much better option and actually safer because stopping
clipped in present some issues at times regardless. I don't
want to be road kill and trying to beat a car the
intersection is not wise but I have not always been
completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really
but there are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My
rule is that if nothing coming and I am not in some urban
setting I simply go through the red light. In the middle of
nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Yes, We all have our own standards of which laws are
reasonable, which are not and how to decide. Obviously,
we're subject to enforcement but that's often lax.

I stop at stop signs & red lights. I know others do not, and
I'm not looking for an argument; do what you do. You asked.

That said, I think running a stop sign is one thing and
running a stop sign to turn left across another person's
path is rude. Maybe defensible but I wouldn't do that.
Blowing a stop sign for a right turn is inoffensive IMHO.

I stop if I see a car coming. If I can't see, I slow down... even on
the Catrike where I don't have to put a foot down.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand
the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before
the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the
driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5
mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking
up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to
beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been
completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing
coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red
light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.
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Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand
the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before
the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the
driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5
mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking
up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to
beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been completely wise.

I suspect this is a different set up to UK roads, where unless you have a traffic light, all junctions are treated as rolling, even in london I can
be quiet periods where I can slow on approach but not need to stop, on both bike and car.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red
light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

Bit stuffed if the lights will not trigger, IrCOve certainly proceeded cautiously with failed lights or more normally ridden to the head of the
queue where a car has stopped too far back so not triggered the lights,
which has activated said lights.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Roger Merriman

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:04:40 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a >complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand
the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before
the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the
driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5
mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking
up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better >option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to
beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been >completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing >coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red
light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Perhaps the realization that the cyclist is the slowest, most fragile
vehicle on the road and talking about "rights" is futile, to say the
least when a collusion takes place between a bicycle and other highway
vehicle.

Or at least I've never seen a bicycle-motor vehicle collision that
resulted with the motor vehicle broken and laying in the ditch while
the bivicle pedals away why a tiny dent in its fender.

Just keep that in mind when you meet a stop sign :-)


--
cheers,

John B.

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On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 22:43:48 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:04:40 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a >>complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand >>the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before >>the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the >>driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5 >>mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking >>up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better >>option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to >>beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been >>completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing >>coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red >>light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Perhaps the realization that the cyclist is the slowest, most fragile
vehicle on the road and talking about "rights" is futile, to say the
least when a collusion takes place between a bicycle and other highway >vehicle.

Or at least I've never seen a bicycle-motor vehicle collision that
resulted with the motor vehicle broken and laying in the ditch while
the bivicle pedals away why a tiny dent in its fender.

Just keep that in mind when you meet a stop sign :-)

While driving in vehicles, I've been hit twice and narrowly escaped
being hit several times by other drivers running stop lights...
therefore, I will decide when and how to cross streets and highways.
I'll never again trust that a drunk or a driver on his phone is going
to stop for the light or that a senior citizen driver with a Chihuahua
on her lap and hanging out the window is not going to mistakenly stomp
on the gas pedal and slam into whatever is in front of her.

Those three experiences, along with several others have taught me to
only trust what I can clearly see.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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On 8/15/2025 12:04 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

I realize that a bike has to follow the rules of the road. That means a complete stop at stop signs and red lights always right. Today out
riding I rolled through a stop sign as I always do. I point with my hand
the direction of the turn I was making. I was at the intersection before
the car on the opposite side got to stop sign. I went through and the
driver pulls up telling me I must obey the rules of the road and stop.

So my real question is if most cyclist really do this include those on
the newsgroup. I ask because the subdivision I ride in at times is a 5
mile loop with one stop sign. I think at times some cars don't really
like me. Some are quite nice and way but others might just see me taking
up road space.

I personally see rolling through stops signs with caution a much better option and actually safer because stopping clipped in present some
issues at times regardless. I don't want to be road kill and trying to
beat a car the intersection is not wise but I have not always been completely wise.

So next is the red light. I don't ride in town at all really but there
are a few stoplights I hit at times riding. My rule is that if nothing coming and I am not in some urban setting I simply go through the red
light. In the middle of nowhere it is such I cannot trip the light.

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

For me it depends on the situation. Generally speaking, if there is
traffic around me I always stop for lights or signs. This is especially
true during my commutes - very rarely do I not come to a stop or a track stand. I consider it as much a gesture of respect to the drivers on the
road that I follow traffic laws as any driver would*. When I'm out in
the countryside I'll slow down to check for traffic, and if none I'll
ride through.

Then, there's this: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2024-08-28/rolling-stop-laws-for-bicyclists-are-safe-study-suggests

*I also stop for school buses on the other side of the road. first off,
it is the law, and a good one. secondly, imagine the case of an 8 year
old dashing across the road as cyclist comes blasting by stopped cars. I wouldn't want that on my conscience. But then, I consider drafting a
school bus good interval work - they don't stop/start/swerve
erratically, and it gives the kids in the back of the bus great
entertainment.


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On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos
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On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 11:02:49 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >>> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

I can't imagine why I would stop... I should qualify my earlier
comment about not stopping unless I see caars coming in that I very
seldom nowdays ride on urban or suburban streets and roads where there
are stop lights and traffic, although I do disobey the crosswalk
directions when the bike paths cross a highway.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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On 8/15/2025 9:04 AM, Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

Of course most cars in my area also roll through stop signs.

It depends on the locale if you'll get in trouble.

There's two extremely popular bicycle routes in my area where the county sheriff loves to ticket cyclists but generally ignores motor vehicles
that make a "California Stop."

One of the intersections is a right turn onto the bottom of a tee
intersection with wide shoulders
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/wn5hYQgeA3kSdhuY6>. Another is here <https://maps.app.goo.gl/VjK6txmaKPE5abA17> where you should stop if
you're northbound, but southbound there's really no reason to stop, but
you should because it's a popular ticketing spot for cyclists.

Back when the military controlled The Presidio in San Francisco, and
parts of the Marin Headlands, the MPs loved to ticked cyclists for stop
signs, and in one place for speeding. They also banned cyclists from
using a tunnel <https://maps.app.goo.gl/g85XRsa3eUutRW168> that
eliminated a big hill, and gave tickets if they caught a cyclist, but
now it's open to cyclists.

It's the red light running, by both motorists and cyclists, that should
be cracked down on.
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 11:02:49 -0500, Mark J cleary
<mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >>> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

State/City/Town traffic laws? Ask a Cop?
Here, for example the law requires a complete stop at stop sign.
--
cheers,

John B.

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On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >>> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you describe and then proceed without stopping.

pH
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pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're >>>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >>>> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the
intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes very early
or late commutes!

Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you say tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

pH

Roger Merriman


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Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're >>>>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>>>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>>>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>>>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the
intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to >> anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you
describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes very early or late commutes!

Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you say tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not "all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people for
not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.
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On 8/17/2025 12:02 PM, Mark J cleary wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary-a wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything.-a If you're >>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always
roll
the stop sign.-a After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter.-a I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights.-a If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with
caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

After slowing to check for traffic, I generally roll through



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Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> writes:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll >>> the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution >>> after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.
pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near
the intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

The first intersection I typically negotiate is a five-way stop at the
end of my street. If there is literally no one visible on any of the intersecting streets I'll roll through. If there is someone visible I
will always stop, because I have seen too many drivers blow the sign
without even slowing down.

If an approaching driver is clearly going to stop, and I'm clearly
first, I'll roll through and would be very surprised to hear
disapproval. Roadway culture and customs vary, and I try not to
stick out too much wherever I find myself.
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Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're >>>>>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>>>>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>>>>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to >>> anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes
very early
or late commutes!
Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you
say
tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not "all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people
for not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

We have a lot of all-way stops here in the USA. Some drivers refuse to
move until I put a foot down. I can't really blame them as there are
quite a few cyclists who just sail through stop signs.
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Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're >>>>>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>>>>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a >>>>>> bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well.

pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to >>> anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes very early >> or late commutes!

Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you say
tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not "all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people for
not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

Well remembered, not particularly common number have traffic lights now and
are generally fairly busy junctions that yourCOd need to wait for a gap to cross so the fact you must stop is kinda mute point bar I guess very early/late.

<https://maps.app.goo.gl/Tv4p2DBGmmhAibjm6>

Further on itrCOs similar junction is light controlled IrCOd IrCOd be surprised if this didnrCOt get some more management at some point as it and few others
in that area are traffic crash black spots, with fast busy roads and all
that.

Roger Merriman

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On 8/18/2025 8:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're >>>>>>> coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do. >>>>>>> If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well. >>>>>>
pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to
anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes
very early
or late commutes!
Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you
say
tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not
"all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people
for not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

We have a lot of all-way stops here in the USA. Some drivers refuse to
move until I put a foot down. I can't really blame them as there are
quite a few cyclists who just sail through stop signs.

Yes, agreed. It also peeves me when autos with right of way
will remain stopped while gesturing at me. I hold my track
stand and look away until they wise up.
--
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2025 07:36:16 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/18/2025 8:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well. >>>>>>>
pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to
anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>>>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes
very early
or late commutes!
Though is no must stop in uk unless IAve forgotten, one of the you
say
tomatoAs I say tomatoAs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not
"all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people
for not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

We have a lot of all-way stops here in the USA. Some drivers refuse to
move until I put a foot down. I can't really blame them as there are
quite a few cyclists who just sail through stop signs.

Yes, agreed. It also peeves me when autos with right of way
will remain stopped while gesturing at me. I hold my track
stand and look away until they wise up.

+1

Sometimes, when the bike path crosses a highway, drivers who see me
waiting for the traffic to clear will stop and wave me through,
falsely assuming that there's no possibility that the traffic behind
them would rear end them and make them slam into me. I shake my head
and wave them through... Sometimes I have to drop my feet to the
ground and reach back to get a water bottle before they move on.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

On 8/18/2025 8:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well. >>>>>>>
pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to
anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>>>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes
very early
or late commutes!
Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you
say
tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not
"all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people
for not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

We have a lot of all-way stops here in the USA. Some drivers refuse to
move until I put a foot down. I can't really blame them as there are
quite a few cyclists who just sail through stop signs.

Yes, agreed. It also peeves me when autos with right of way
will remain stopped while gesturing at me. I hold my track
stand and look away until they wise up.

IrCOve had this, but they havenrCOt noticed a passing vehicle that if I did turn whose path IrCOd cross!

To be fair does occasionally happen with cars etc, and seen near misses for that reason!

Roger Merriman

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cyclintom wrote:

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If
you're coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I
always roll the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster
than bikes do. If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I
have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with
caution after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did
not detect a bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

That's pretty much what I do, although I tend to treat a red light where
I'm making a right turn the same way as I do a stop sign.

The one trick is with left turns, of knowing how to trip a light in an intersection that is wired to detect traffic. That's a matter of riding
over the magnetic detection cable. Some detectors are more sensitive
than others, and I have no idea of how they perform with non-ferric
frames. Sometimes, the space for the cable is cut after pavement has
been laid, and those are generally easy to find. Sometimes, the cable is
laid first, and those are harder to find, although I see some
intersections that don't have enough supporting road bed for the volume
of traffic they handle (especially in hot places with asphalt surface
that have melted some). As a general thing, putting my bike over the
space where car wheels normally go is sufficient to register my presence
to the signal light's processor.

I have no idea of how that may work with non-ferric frames. I have no problems with my steel frame, although I don't remember that it wasn't possible in the days when I had a carbon fiber frame. Maybe there's
enough steel in a bottom bracket and/or crankset to be sufficient.

The other twist I've found is with intersections from side streets that
are between crossings from major arterials. I find that even when I can
trip a signal, it sometimes may take several minutes of waiting until I
get a green light, but for that, even a motorist will also get the same handling. I believe that the delay is done in conjunction with nearby signals, as a way of minimizing the amounts of disruption to traffic
flow on the arterials that is imposed by a mid-way (and often
inconsistent) traffic flow pattern coming from smaller side streets.

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NFN Smith <worldoff9908@gmail.com> wrote:

cyclintom wrote:

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If
you're coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I
always roll the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster
than bikes do. If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I
have right of way.

As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop
lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed with
caution after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did
not detect a bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

That's pretty much what I do, although I tend to treat a red light where
I'm making a right turn the same way as I do a stop sign.

The one trick is with left turns, of knowing how to trip a light in an intersection that is wired to detect traffic. That's a matter of riding
over the magnetic detection cable. Some detectors are more sensitive
than others, and I have no idea of how they perform with non-ferric
frames. Sometimes, the space for the cable is cut after pavement has
been laid, and those are generally easy to find. Sometimes, the cable is laid first, and those are harder to find, although I see some
intersections that don't have enough supporting road bed for the volume
of traffic they handle (especially in hot places with asphalt surface
that have melted some). As a general thing, putting my bike over the
space where car wheels normally go is sufficient to register my presence
to the signal light's processor.

I have no idea of how that may work with non-ferric frames. I have no problems with my steel frame, although I don't remember that it wasn't possible in the days when I had a carbon fiber frame. Maybe there's
enough steel in a bottom bracket and/or crankset to be sufficient.

The other twist I've found is with intersections from side streets that
are between crossings from major arterials. I find that even when I can
trip a signal, it sometimes may take several minutes of waiting until I
get a green light, but for that, even a motorist will also get the same handling. I believe that the delay is done in conjunction with nearby signals, as a way of minimizing the amounts of disruption to traffic
flow on the arterials that is imposed by a mid-way (and often
inconsistent) traffic flow pattern coming from smaller side streets.

Smith

Number of traffic lights use cameras, IrCOve certainly noticed that high beaming them with the bike light tends to trigger them, both permanent and temporary ones.

Plus the camera allows the system to be reactive.

Roger Merriman


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AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

On 8/18/2025 8:04 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> writes:

Am 18.08.2025 um 12:08 schrieb Roger Merriman:

pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org> wrote:

On 2025-08-17, Mark J cleary <mcleary08@comcast.net> wrote:

On 8/16/2025 11:25 PM, pH wrote:

On 2025-08-15, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 11:04:40 2025 Mark J cleary wrote:

<snip>

I like to hear some thoughts from this crowd.

There are always dingbats that will complain about anything. If you're
coming to a stop sign and turning right and THE WAY IS CLEAR I >>>>>>>> always roll
the stop sign. After all, most cars roll through faster than bikes do.
If I am turning left or proceeding, I do so when I have right of way. >>>>>>>>
As for stop lights, that is a different matter. I ALWAYS stop at stop >>>>>>>> lights. If the light dopesn't change for bicycles I proceed
with caution
after an ample amount of time that shows that the light did not detect a
bike or I wait for its NORMAL cycle.

The above two paragraphs echo my opinion and riding style as well. >>>>>>>
pH in Aptos

My question is you come to a 4 way stop and no one is anywhere near the >>>>>> intersection and the road is clear, do you stop or proceed?

Hmm. I can only dream of this scenario in the area in which I live, but, to
anwer your question:
I would probably coast while apprising the situation and "all clear" you >>>>> describe and then proceed without stopping.

COVID lockdowns definitely had this sort of thing, and sometimes
very early
or late commutes!
Though is no must stop in uk unless IrCOve forgotten, one of the you
say
tomatorCOs I say tomatorCOs thing!

Formally, octangular stop signs exist but in UK and in Germany but not
"all-way-stop" (I'm too long gone from the UK to remember any location
where this sign is used).

In the 1990's there were rumors that Police had ticketed some people
for not putting a foot on the ground before proceeding.

We have a lot of all-way stops here in the USA. Some drivers refuse
to
move until I put a foot down. I can't really blame them as there are
quite a few cyclists who just sail through stop signs.

Yes, agreed. It also peeves me when autos with right of way will
remain stopped while gesturing at me. I hold my track stand and look
away until they wise up.

Often when that happens to me there is more than one vehicle waiting at
the front. This is dangerous, because drivers here will typically wait
no more than a few seconds before deciding to jump the queue and sieze
the right of way.
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