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zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

On 8/21/2025 6:32 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Wed Aug 20 09:24:51 2025 zen cycle wrote:

On 8/19/2025 3:27 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:

The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.

Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully
fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so
battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.

To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have
after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.

I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to
design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.

They would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised >>>>>>>>> particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him. >>>>>>>>>
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company
image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns. >>>>>>>>

Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive
train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>>>>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point >>>>>>>> where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car. >>>>>>>>

There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note
that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV
batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly
larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle
to reach the same weight as a EV battery.

Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less
at making good said claims! And proving those claims.

Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i >>>>>>> suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales >>>>>>> volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s

Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends
to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for >>>>>>> example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would
for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge
as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to
run out of power!

Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being >>>>>> able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they
probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up >>>>>> to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I >>>>>> don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant. >>>>>

It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy ?transmissions? which >>>>> had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been
particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which >>>>> to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more >>>>> difficult.

I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla
without the trademark T.

Can?t say I?m aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though >>>>> that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all >>>>> unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isn?t a boring vehicle! >>>>

https://www.fastcompany.com/91294552/tesla-owners-are-disguising-their-cars-with-fake-badges-as-a-form-of-resistance

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/removing-all-external-badging.341097/

What does it matter to you Flunky? You couldn't afford a used Studebaker?

https://classiccars.com/listings/find/all-years/studebaker

lol...I think I could handle 34K. You otoh

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" now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

Yup a friend has a Tesla power wall and says rCLbought it before he went
mad!rCY Noticed a Tesla with a sticker saying similar thing on way to the
cafe, my cousin company car is a Tesla but they have cancelled the deal
with Tesla as they donrCOt want to be connected to well Musk!

There are a lot of teslas on my commute that have the same sticker.

Sadly for them, they may end up not being able to get the car serviced:

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesla-sales-q2-2025-e2087c11?

"Global vehicle sales fall 13.5% as the electric-vehicle maker struggles
to reverse months of declining sales"

Probably only a matter of time before dealerships start closing

Guess depends how quickly their share of the US market drops? I do suspect
they will struggle if not fold as they now have competition, and Musk is
just not helping!

Roger Merriman

Roger Merriman


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