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I went down to Santa Cruz to watch my step daughter ride her first
Duathalon which is a run, bike, run. I missed her getting back from the
run and heard that there was a crash out onh the course and that 2 people were hospitalized. In these sorts of events the most dangerous things are other cyclints since they are all trying to go their fastest and pass too close and too fast.
Finally she called me and asked me where I was. I had missed her getting
back from the cycle leg and I was sitting in a chair with a clear view of
the running final leg. She must have run right by me and I didn't even realize it.
But in the end, she was 3rd of all of the women enters and first in her age class.
She was riding the DeRosa Merak all carbon bike I gave her though the
final running leg she was having some cramps so I will have to check bike fit. Highway 17 over the hill to Santa Cruz had cars flipped over each
way but on the way back it was stop and go for 6 miles because there was
a Jeep wagon trashed on the other side of the barrier! I finally turned
the Navigator off when it said that there was another 20 miles of stop
and go but I was on the fastest route.
I took side roads I normally rode on the bike. The Mercury made 34 mpg
until all of the stop and go and fell to 29.5 And it needs a tuneup.
On 11 Aug 2025 08:50:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I used to calculate fuel consumption from one refuiling to the next.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I went down to Santa Cruz to watch my step daughter ride her first
Duathalon which is a run, bike, run. I missed her getting back from the
run and heard that there was a crash out onh the course and that 2 people >>> were hospitalized. In these sorts of events the most dangerous things are >>> other cyclints since they are all trying to go their fastest and pass too >>> close and too fast.
Yup itAs called racing!
Finally she called me and asked me where I was. I had missed her getting >>> back from the cycle leg and I was sitting in a chair with a clear view of >>> the running final leg. She must have run right by me and I didn't even realize it.
But in the end, she was 3rd of all of the women enters and first in her age class.
Done well IAm sure in such an area had fairly large field.
IAd not take much faith in any momentary fuel consumption figures the car >>gives, my 22 year old Volvo does low 30As if calculated when one fills the >>tank up, driving along it will show 40As
She was riding the DeRosa Merak all carbon bike I gave her though the
final running leg she was having some cramps so I will have to check bike >>> fit. Highway 17 over the hill to Santa Cruz had cars flipped over each
way but on the way back it was stop and go for 6 miles because there was >>> a Jeep wagon trashed on the other side of the barrier! I finally turned
the Navigator off when it said that there was another 20 miles of stop
and go but I was on the fastest route.
I took side roads I normally rode on the bike. The Mercury made 34 mpg
until all of the stop and go and fell to 29.5 And it needs a tuneup.
IAd assume EVAs wouldnAt be subject to this as it would be able to measure >>the remaining capacity and draw from the battery.
Roger Merriman
On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 02:59:05 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 11 Aug 2025 08:50:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I used to calculate fuel consumption from one refuiling to the next. Otherwise you are just picking out a stretch of road and saying, "See!
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I went down to Santa Cruz to watch my step daughter ride her first
Duathalon which is a run, bike, run. I missed her getting back from the >>>> run and heard that there was a crash out onh the course and that 2 people >>>> were hospitalized. In these sorts of events the most dangerous things are >>>> other cyclints since they are all trying to go their fastest and pass too >>>> close and too fast.
Yup it-As called racing!
Finally she called me and asked me where I was. I had missed her getting >>>> back from the cycle leg and I was sitting in a chair with a clear view of >>>> the running final leg. She must have run right by me and I didn't even realize it.
But in the end, she was 3rd of all of the women enters and first in her age class.
Done well I-Am sure in such an area had fairly large field.
I-Ad not take much faith in any momentary fuel consumption figures the car >>> gives, my 22 year old Volvo does low 30-As if calculated when one fills the
She was riding the DeRosa Merak all carbon bike I gave her though the
final running leg she was having some cramps so I will have to check bike >>>> fit. Highway 17 over the hill to Santa Cruz had cars flipped over each >>>> way but on the way back it was stop and go for 6 miles because there was >>>> a Jeep wagon trashed on the other side of the barrier! I finally turned >>>> the Navigator off when it said that there was another 20 miles of stop >>>> and go but I was on the fastest route.
I took side roads I normally rode on the bike. The Mercury made 34 mpg >>>> until all of the stop and go and fell to 29.5 And it needs a tuneup.
tank up, driving along it will show 40-As
I-Ad assume EV-As wouldn-At be subject to this as it would be able to measure
the remaining capacity and draw from the battery.
Roger Merriman
Rhght here i got XYG." Never mind it's all down hill.
--
cheers,
John B.
On Mon Aug 11 14:09:29 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
John B. <jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 02:59:05 -0700, John B.
<jbslocomb@fictitious.site> wrote:
On 11 Aug 2025 08:50:03 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:I used to calculate fuel consumption from one refuiling to the next.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
I went down to Santa Cruz to watch my step daughter ride her first >>>>>> Duathalon which is a run, bike, run. I missed her getting back from the >>>>>> run and heard that there was a crash out onh the course and that 2 people
were hospitalized. In these sorts of events the most dangerous things are
other cyclints since they are all trying to go their fastest and pass too
close and too fast.
Yup its called racing!
Finally she called me and asked me where I was. I had missed her getting >>>>>> back from the cycle leg and I was sitting in a chair with a clear view of
the running final leg. She must have run right by me and I didn't even realize it.
But in the end, she was 3rd of all of the women enters and first in her age class.
Done well Im sure in such an area had fairly large field.
Id not take much faith in any momentary fuel consumption figures the car >>>>> gives, my 22 year old Volvo does low 30s if calculated when one fills the
She was riding the DeRosa Merak all carbon bike I gave her though the >>>>>> final running leg she was having some cramps so I will have to check bike
fit. Highway 17 over the hill to Santa Cruz had cars flipped over each >>>>>> way but on the way back it was stop and go for 6 miles because there was >>>>>> a Jeep wagon trashed on the other side of the barrier! I finally turned >>>>>> the Navigator off when it said that there was another 20 miles of stop >>>>>> and go but I was on the fastest route.
I took side roads I normally rode on the bike. The Mercury made 34 mpg >>>>>> until all of the stop and go and fell to 29.5 And it needs a tuneup. >>>>>>
tank up, driving along it will show 40s
Id assume EVs wouldnt be subject to this as it would be able to measure >>>>> the remaining capacity and draw from the battery.
Roger Merriman
Otherwise you are just picking out a stretch of road and saying, "See!
Rhght here i got XYG." Never mind it's all down hill.
--
cheers,
John B.
That?s what I do, or rather let a phone app do it, but it?s the same
calculation but saves having bits of paper and so on.
Plus means I can look back, if one wishes to, I tend not too as it?s all
generally around the same type of use, I longer drives, at higher speeds ie >> not urban traffic so even if the annual mileage is low.
Calculating tank to tank is the best way since the navigation software
reads instantaneous mileage
I went down to Santa Cruz to watch my step daughter ride her first Duathalon which is a run, bike, run. I missed her getting back from the run and heard that there was a crash out onh the course and that 2 people were hospitalized. In these sorts of events the most dangerous things are other cyclints since they are all trying to go their fastest and pass too close and too fast.
Finally she called me and asked me where I was. I had missed her getting back from the cycle leg and I was sitting in a chair with a clear view of the running final leg. She must have run right by me and I didn't even realize it.
But in the end, she was 3rd of all of the women enters and first in her age class.
She was riding the DeRosa Merak all carbon bike I gave her though the final running leg she was having some cramps so I will have to check bike fit. Highway 17 over the hill to Santa Cruz had cars flipped over each way but on the way back it was stop and go for 6 miles because there was a Jeep wagon trashed on the other side of the barrier! I finally turned the Navigator off when it said that there was another 20 miles of stop and go but I was on the fastest route.
I took side roads I normally rode on the bike. The Mercury made 34 mpg until all of the stop and go and fell to 29.5 And it needs a tuneup.
Calculating tank to tank is the best way since the navigation software reads instantaneous mileage
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and: ><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US> >on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck.
I suggest you NOT use them.
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann ><jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and: >><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US> >>on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck.
I suggest you NOT use them.
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG >(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard" <https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US>
on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck.
I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a
CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I
bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc. Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer. <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their
own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
On 8/12/2025 12:00 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard"
<https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US>
on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck. >>>> I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a
CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I
bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc. Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403>
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their
own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
I write the mileage on my gas receipt, clipped to the sun
visor, then add mileage at next fill with gallons. Works for
me. My autos get 18~20MPG which is fine for their age.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 12:40:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/12/2025 12:00 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard"
<https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US>
on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck. >>>>> I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a
CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I
bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc. Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403>
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their
own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
I write the mileage on my gas receipt, clipped to the sun
visor, then add mileage at next fill with gallons. Works for
me. My autos get 18~20MPG which is fine for their age.
That's what I do, too, but then I take it home and enter it into a spreadsheet so I can keep track of the long term MPG. I've only done
one fill on the new truck, so I haven't any data yet. I don't believe
it will be much worse than the 2009 Frontier truck.
The new truck has a current MPG display, but it's all over the place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann >><jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard" ><https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and: >>><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US> >>>on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck.
I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a
CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I
bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc.
Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG >>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer. ><https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403> ><https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their
own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
I write the mileage on my gas receipt, clipped to the sun
visor, then add mileage at next fill with gallons. Works for
me.
My autos get 18~20MPG which is fine for their age.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 12:40:00 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/12/2025 12:00 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard"
<https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US>
on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck. >>>>>> I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a >>>> CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I >>>> bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc. Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403>
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their >>>> own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
I write the mileage on my gas receipt, clipped to the sun
visor, then add mileage at next fill with gallons. Works for
me. My autos get 18~20MPG which is fine for their age.
That's what I do, too, but then I take it home and enter it into a
spreadsheet so I can keep track of the long term MPG. I've only done
one fill on the new truck, so I haven't any data yet. I don't believe
it will be much worse than the 2009 Frontier truck.
The new truck has a current MPG display, but it's all over the place.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Which is as expected really though JeffAs Subaru IAm mildly surprised by, >itAs around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and IAd assume anyway less aerodynamic shape, >will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG
(Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
That's what I do, too, but then I take it home and enter it into a >spreadsheet so I can keep track of the long term MPG. I've only done
one fill on the new truck, so I haven't any data yet. I don't believe
it will be much worse than the 2009 Frontier truck.
The new truck has a current MPG display, but it's all over the place.
Which is as expected really though JeffAs Subaru IAm mildly surprised by, >itAs around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and IAd assume anyway less aerodynamic shape, >will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG
(Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
On 12 Aug 2025 20:12:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Which is as expected really though JeffrCOs Subaru IrCOm mildly surprised by,
itrCOs around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >> engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and IrCOd assume anyway less aerodynamic shape,
will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG
(Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
Your Volvo V70 probably has a "Variomatic" transmission, which is an
early version of the now common CVT (Continuously Variable
Transmission) transmission. CVT transmissions are lighter and more
efficient (about 10% better MPG) than gear box or "automatic"
transmissions. CTV has become more popular recently because of
government fuel economy standards. Another advantage of CVT is that
they are cheaper to build than gearbox transmissions. However, CVT
doesn't last as long (100,000 miles typical) and are a nightmare to
rebuild.
"Top 3 Benefits of a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)" <https://www.gotodobbs.com/blog/top-3-benefits-of-a-continuously-variable-transmission-cvt/>
"STOP Buying Cars With CVTs - HererCOs Why They Fail Early" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yycWoUp5inI>
On 8/12/2025 6:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 12 Aug 2025 20:12:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Which is as expected really though JeffAs Subaru IAm mildly surprised by, >>> itAs around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >>> engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and IAd assume anyway less aerodynamic shape, >>> will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG >>> (Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
Your Volvo V70 probably has a "Variomatic" transmission, which is an
early version of the now common CVT (Continuously Variable
Transmission) transmission. CVT transmissions are lighter and more
efficient (about 10% better MPG) than gear box or "automatic"
transmissions. CTV has become more popular recently because of
government fuel economy standards. Another advantage of CVT is that
they are cheaper to build than gearbox transmissions. However, CVT
doesn't last as long (100,000 miles typical) and are a nightmare to
rebuild.
"Top 3 Benefits of a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)"
<https://www.gotodobbs.com/blog/top-3-benefits-of-a-continuously-variable-transmission-cvt/>
"STOP Buying Cars With CVTs - HereAs Why They Fail Early"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yycWoUp5inI>
My employee is struggling to help his girlfriend's son with
a balky Nissan CVT, of which nothing nice can be said:
https://www.carparts.com/blog/why-the-nissan-cvt-is-quite-possibly-the-worst-transmission-ever-built/
The CHP crash reporting system shows one accident at 2am on 08/10/2025
on Hwy 17 [1]:
<https://data.ca.gov/dataset/ccrs> ><https://data.ca.gov/dataset/ccrs/resource/9f4fc839-122d-4595-a146-43bc4ed16f46>
(Insert "2025-08-10" in the "Crash Date Time" box and hit enter)
So, I'll just ignore your mythical added delay and excursion though
the side streets.
[1] It's now 11am on 08/11/2025. There might be some additional
accidents that need to be added to the CHP database. I'll check again
later.
On 8/12/2025 6:30 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On 12 Aug 2025 20:12:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Which is as expected really though JeffAs Subaru IAm mildly surprised by, >>> itAs around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >>> engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and IAd assume anyway less aerodynamic shape, >>> will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG >>> (Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
Your Volvo V70 probably has a "Variomatic" transmission, which is an
early version of the now common CVT (Continuously Variable
Transmission) transmission. CVT transmissions are lighter and more
efficient (about 10% better MPG) than gear box or "automatic"
transmissions. CTV has become more popular recently because of
government fuel economy standards. Another advantage of CVT is that
they are cheaper to build than gearbox transmissions. However, CVT
doesn't last as long (100,000 miles typical) and are a nightmare to
rebuild.
"Top 3 Benefits of a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)"
<https://www.gotodobbs.com/blog/top-3-benefits-of-a-continuously-variable-transmission-cvt/>
"STOP Buying Cars With CVTs - HereAs Why They Fail Early"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yycWoUp5inI>
My employee is struggling to help his girlfriend's son with
a balky Nissan CVT, of which nothing nice can be said:
https://www.carparts.com/blog/why-the-nissan-cvt-is-quite-possibly-the-worst-transmission-ever-built/
On 12 Aug 2025 20:12:50 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Which is as expected really though Jeff-As Subaru I-Am mildly surprised by, >> it-As around the same age as my old Volvo V70 with similar kerb weight and >> engine size and power/torque etc.
Guess shows what a 4x4 system and I-Ad assume anyway less aerodynamic shape, >> will knock off the fuel economy, the Volvo is I think rated for 29.5 MPG
(Uk not Us Gallons) though I get a touch more normally as my usage is
longer trips. If not very often.
Roger Merriman
Your Volvo V70 probably has a "Variomatic" transmission, which is an
early version of the now common CVT (Continuously Variable
Transmission) transmission. CVT transmissions are lighter and more
efficient (about 10% better MPG) than gear box or "automatic"
transmissions. CTV has become more popular recently because of
government fuel economy standards. Another advantage of CVT is that
they are cheaper to build than gearbox transmissions. However, CVT
doesn't last as long (100,000 miles typical) and are a nightmare to
rebuild.
"Top 3 Benefits of a Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT)" <https://www.gotodobbs.com/blog/top-3-benefits-of-a-continuously-variable-transmission-cvt/>
"STOP Buying Cars With CVTs - Here-As Why They Fail Early" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yycWoUp5inI>
Am Tue, 12 Aug 2025 10:00:02 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
Our car was built in 1999.
By 2031, new cars are expected to do 50.4 mpg:
(Jun 07, 2024)
"Transportation Department finalizes 50.4 mpg standard"
<https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/southern-california/transportation/2024/06/07/transportation-department-finalizes-50-4-mpg-standard>
If you follow the executive orders of the month, the effective date
and gas mileage will change depending on politics and which way the
wind blows.
Question is of course: will this survive the next election?
In other parts of the world, people will buy electric vehicles of
chinese origin as soon as a sufficiently dense public charging
infrastructure is in place.
The software used is:
<https://www.fuelly.com>
on the PC and:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zonewalker.acar&hl=en_US>
on the Android phone. Note the very low reviews. Both programs suck. >>>> I suggest you NOT use them.
In case of disaster, I erratically export the data from the phone to a
CSV (spreadsheet) file. The PC version doesn't do exporting (another
reason that I hate both programs).
I try to avoid programs or cloud services that don't have
reasonably good export capabilities.
What about using a spreasheet? We used a simple DIY-spreadsheet,
starting with Excel, but migrated to LibreOffice Calc some years
ago. Worked like a charm.
I started using various spreadsheets for my gas mileage logging when I
bought my first computer in 1981. Visicalc, Supercalc, Lotus 1-2-3,
etc.
I built my first computer before 1981. This is a picture from
1980:
<https://www.mystrobl.de/ws/pic/Programmierung-1980.jpg>
The picture shows two computers, one built by me, the other by a
colleague. My computer is the one in the lower box. CP/M 2, data
storage and exchange via Kansas City coding on Philips Compact
cassettes. Programming using a reimplementation of a modified
Forth like language, done by bootstrapping a reduced
compiler/interpreter version, using Snobol4 on a mainframe from
Siemens and then reimplementing the basic VM using an Z80
assembler on CP/M. Or something like that. :-)
Currently, I use LibreOffice Calc 25.2.5.2, but not for gas
mileage. My spreadsheet didn't work very well for me, mostly because
there was little error checking. It was also difficult to enter data
on various smartphones. I wanted gas mileage, maintenance data and
graphs, not a programming project.
Well, ok. I don't use smartphones for stuff like that, because
there is even less control over my data than on a PC. Doing a
simple table with column sums and perhaps one or two graphs isn't
a programming project.
If I had to start over, I would probably look for an open source web
app. I found this:
<https://demo.lubelogger.com>
Looks nice and seems to do what I need. However, it only will export
data, not import. Also, no detailed graphing or database editing.
This is what happens every time I look for a decent gas mileage
program.
I used https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/ in the original German
language version for a while for a motorcycle that I used for a
few years after a severe bicyle accident that prevented me from
cycling. Web version and exporting my data now and then, only.
But as it seems, there now is an app and an import feature, too.
Btw., do you perhaps remember or know about RPG
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_RPG)?
Sorry, no experience with RPG.
Didn't have any experience with it, either, I just used a program
written in RPG and had the programmer who wrote the application
explain it to me. As it seems, a later variant is still used on
some IBM mainframes, but outside of some small circles nobody
seems to know about that programming language.
A rather unusual
programming language, even then. When I started my first job as
a student research assistant aeons ago, my manager gave me access
to a RPG program doing fuel consumption calculations. I still
have a really nice-looking report somewhere that documents the
fuel consumption of my motorcycle. Printed on a line printer of
the size of a small car. :-)
Probably an IBM 1403 chain or line printer.
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403>
<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1403#/media/File:IBM_1403_side_view_open.agr.jpg>
A chain printer indeed. We had a chain specifically produced for
our use, which include printing scientific reports. The standard
chains from IBM had multiple copies of frequently occurring
letters distributed throughout the chain, for faster printing.
Our chain had many symbols for mathematical formulas or ones that
could generate further ones by overprinting. Batch jobs where
sorted into separate queues by the chain specified in the JCL,
operators had to change the chain, before starting the respective
queue. Sometimes, small print runs were first printed in this
way and then trimmed and bound.
As a student in college in 1968(?), I helped clean a 1403 printer. I
would have done more, but at the time, IBM was not selling and only
leasing their hardware. They too a dim view of customers fixing their
own hardware. I did manage to help sound proof the printer room
without attracting too much attention from the IBM CE (customer
engineer).
:-)These beasts where LOUD.
During my computer science studies at the University of Bonn, I
worked as a student assistant for a while, at a nearby research
facility. Formal permission for this required that the task had
to be useful for my studies. Tearing off paper or cleaning
printers would not have been sufficient or even allowed. There
was a lot of slack though - my study and that job didn't have any
formal or practical connections. Nevertheless, I learned a lot
on the job, planning, doing and documenting a project, writing
reports, writing and using software as a tool, instead as an
academic exercise in a special variant of mathematics, only. Both
have their place, I just enjoyed having the opportunity to
experice both sides early on.
BTW, there was no freeway closure in Fremont.
On 8/12/2025 4:03 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Tue, 12 Aug 2025 10:00:02 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
Our car was built in 1999.
In the late 80's I was driving a 1984 Honda CRX for a little while. 1200
CC with a 5 speed manual. That car got 40 MPG no matter how I drove. I
loved that car, it ranks #2 on my all time favorite cars.
On Wed Aug 13 20:36:15 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 13 Aug 2025 16:50:07 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
BTW, there was no freeway closure in Fremont.
There was no accident. The Aug 10 freeway closure was for
construction (bridge rehabilitation).
"55 hr. Full Highway Closure On Northbound I-680 at the Mission San
Jose (SR-238) Overpass in Fremont Starting Friday Night, August 8 to
Monday Morning, August 11"
<https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-4/d4-news/2025-08-07-nb-i680-55-hour-full-closure-mission-overpass>
<https://dot.ca.gov/caltrans-near-me/district-4/d4-projects/d4-680-238-bridge-rehabilitation>
Notice the city name of "Fremont" on the map:
<https://dot.ca.gov/-/media/dot-media/district-4/images/2025-press-release-images/traffic-advisory-2025-07-31-i680-nb-regional-detour.jpeg>
Yes, smartest man in the world who couldn't get a job. You;re going to tell me all about the road I was driving on. The closures which were announced at the entrance to the freeway in Santa Cruz did not exist. I drove right through Fremont without even slowing and without ANY heavy equipment on the side of the road. AFTER I got to Union City there was a backup that the Google Maps showed extending all the way to a wreck in Hayward.
Oh, wait, without ever being there you can tell everyone all about it.
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling
out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a
very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
What you seem be missing is that using the times from the race results
and the best case driving time from Google maps, you could not have
arrived before 1531 PDT when you started this tread. Please re-read
my first comment in response to your starting this thread for the >calculations.
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
On Thu Aug 14 20:37:49 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling >>> out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a
very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
Tesla has two fairly big issues 1st being they now have competition hence
their best sales figures reached a peak two years ago.
2) they are connected to Musk who is somewhat polarised media image.
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.Electric motors have instant torque and are not affected by altitude hence >> Pikes Peak hill climb and 0-60 top trumps being to their favour.
Power to weight absolutely still matters hence while the Tesla often wins
the race to the line, after the off the line burst, it?s accelerating
slower than the Corvette/Porsche 911 or whatever, which will get to the
line at a higher speed, ie if the race continues the Tesla etc will be
overtaken.
You're quite correct but for 2026 the new solid state batteries will put the weight of the cars into the same category as ICE cars. Remember that a Pikes Peak Hillclimb car doesn't need to carry all of the extra weight of manditory safety features that weight stock cars down.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that would suggest the latest Corvette.
On Thu Aug 14 20:37:49 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling >>> out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a
very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
Tesla has two fairly big issues 1st being they now have competition hence
their best sales figures reached a peak two years ago.
2) they are connected to Musk who is somewhat polarised media image.
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.Electric motors have instant torque and are not affected by altitude hence >> Pikes Peak hill climb and 0-60 top trumps being to their favour.
Power to weight absolutely still matters hence while the Tesla often wins
the race to the line, after the off the line burst, it?s accelerating
slower than the Corvette/Porsche 911 or whatever, which will get to the
line at a higher speed, ie if the race continues the Tesla etc will be
overtaken.
You're quite correct but for 2026 the new solid state batteries will put
the weight of the cars into the same category as ICE cars. Remember that
a Pikes Peak Hillclimb car doesn't need to carry all of the extra weight
of manditory safety features that weight stock cars down.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that would suggest the latest Corvette.
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While
pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla
with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the
car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they
were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that
is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of
being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While
pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new
Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the
car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they
were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that
is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of
being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 8/15/2025 5:29 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi
<am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom-a wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl-a wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need
and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space -
maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-
phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a
month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front
end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride
today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking
grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in
2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more
desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-
widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-
sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better
performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the
standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked
more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling
recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance
that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla
into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-
caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire
had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over.-a Later, I discovered a guy named
Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car
replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out.
Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later,
when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them.-a I occasionally see
them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-
kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That's Chris Beebe at Foreign Car Specialists. I crewed for
that Lotus Super Seven at SCCA Atlanta and also his Morgan
Super Sport (4 wheel model, D Class)
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for >all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time donAt
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While
pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new
Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is >>>>> about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the >>>> car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they >>>> were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that >>>> is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of
being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or >Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
On 8/15/2025 5:29 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That's Chris Beebe at Foreign Car Specialists. I crewed for
that Lotus Super Seven at SCCA Atlanta and also his Morgan
Super Sport (4 wheel model, D Class)
On Fri, 15 Aug 2025 08:14:15 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/15/2025 5:29 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
That's Chris Beebe at Foreign Car Specialists. I crewed for
that Lotus Super Seven at SCCA Atlanta and also his Morgan
Super Sport (4 wheel model, D Class)
That's the place and the car I would have cut off a toe just to drive
it around the block.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for >> all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don-At
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While
pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new
Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is >>>>>> about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been.
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the >>>>> car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they >>>>> were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that >>>>> is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7
that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or >> Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which >> hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density >> and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully
fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so
battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have
after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to >>> design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that >>> thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that >>> would suggest the latest Corvette.They would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to >> get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him.
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company
image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive
train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15%
more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point
where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car.
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for >>> all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don-At
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use. >>>>>>>>
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum. >>>>>>>> (53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the >>>>>>>> car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While >>>>>>> pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new >>>>>>> Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is >>>>>>> about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been. >>>>>>>
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the >>>>>> car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they >>>>>> were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that >>>>>> is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7 >>>> that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I
drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for
sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or >>> Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new
electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
IrCOd assume the lotus 7 would be difficult to make into a usable EV though is a market for classic cars, so they tend to have appropriate power levels and donrCOt require fast chargers, so can make for that use case a useable and fun car, not my thing but I get the point of those.
I believe the roadster is reasonably well regarded, clearly itrCOs what 10 years or more old now.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merrriman
On 8/15/2025 3:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use. >>>>>>>>>
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum. >>>>>>>>> (53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the >>>>>>>>> car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While >>>>>>>> pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new >>>>>>>> Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is >>>>>>>> about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been. >>>>>>>>
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the >>>>>>> car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they >>>>>>> were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that >>>>>>> is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7 >>>>> that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down
south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I >>>>> drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could
have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for >>>>> sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don-At >>>> think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or >>>> Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new
electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
IrCOd assume the lotus 7 would be difficult to make into a usable EV though >> is a market for classic cars, so they tend to have appropriate power levels >> and donrCOt require fast chargers, so can make for that use case a useable >> and fun car, not my thing but I get the point of those.
I believe the roadster is reasonably well regarded, clearly itrCOs what 10 >> years or more old now.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merrriman
Well, for various definitions of 'difficult' I suppose.
Or not. Caterhams are essentially Lotus Super Seven:
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-the-difference-between-a-caterham-and-a-lotus-seven/
The link above shows electric power conversion is possible.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
It's now an actual product, piddling along at a pathetic top
speed of only 130mph:
https://caterhamcars.com/en/models/evseven
N.B. no mention of vehicle curb weight. It's a safe bet it's
way over 1036 pounds (470kg).
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1967/1432085/lotus_super_seven_1500.html#gsc.tab=0
Whether people buy them in sustainable, profitable volumes
will be a different problem.
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/15/2025 3:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use. >>>>>>>>>>
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum. >>>>>>>>>> (53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the >>>>>>>>>> car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While >>>>>>>>> pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new >>>>>>>>> Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is >>>>>>>>> about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been. >>>>>>>>>
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the
car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they
were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that
is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7 >>>>>> that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down >>>>>> south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I >>>>>> drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I
didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could >>>>>> have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for >>>>>> sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don-At >>>>> think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or
Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new
electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
IrCOd assume the lotus 7 would be difficult to make into a usable EV though >>> is a market for classic cars, so they tend to have appropriate power levels >>> and donrCOt require fast chargers, so can make for that use case a useable >>> and fun car, not my thing but I get the point of those.
I believe the roadster is reasonably well regarded, clearly itrCOs what 10 >>> years or more old now.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merrriman
Well, for various definitions of 'difficult' I suppose.
Or not. Caterhams are essentially Lotus Super Seven:
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-the-difference-between-a-caterham-and-a-lotus-seven/
The link above shows electric power conversion is possible.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
It's now an actual product, piddling along at a pathetic top
speed of only 130mph:
ThatrCOs about what all bar one of the models top out at or are limited to, being light and nimble seems to be the draw than absolute speed or even the 0-60 dash.
https://caterhamcars.com/en/models/evseven
N.B. no mention of vehicle curb weight. It's a safe bet it's
way over 1036 pounds (470kg).
Says sub 700Kg with 52K kWh battery thatrCOs fairly impressive really considering the lack of space!
Not going to be a daily driver, and seems to be mid pack in terms of power
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1967/1432085/lotus_super_seven_1500.html#gsc.tab=0
Whether people buy them in sustainable, profitable volumes
will be a different problem.
to weight of the models, this said would have the EV instant torque.
Roger Merriman
Am Wed, 13 Aug 2025 06:48:53 -0400 schrieb zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com>:
On 8/12/2025 4:03 PM, Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Am Tue, 12 Aug 2025 10:00:02 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2025 13:50:56 +0200, Wolfgang Strobl
<news51@mystrobl.de> wrote:
Am Mon, 11 Aug 2025 11:59:59 -0700 schrieb Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>:
The last 12 month average gas mileage was 19.7 mpg.
Wow. That ~ 15 l/100km. Our family car consumed 6.5 l/100 km, on
average, since we bought it in 2005. That's about 36 mpg.
20 mpg was considered to be good gasoline mileage when it was new in
2001.
Our car was built in 1999.
In the late 80's I was driving a 1984 Honda CRX for a little while. 1200
CC with a 5 speed manual. That car got 40 MPG no matter how I drove. I
loved that car, it ranks #2 on my all time favorite cars.
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use.
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum.
(53.4 cu. ft.) <https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the
car without obstructing the rear view.
On 8/16/2025 6:10 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/15/2025 3:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use. >>>>>>>>>>>
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum. >>>>>>>>>>> (53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the >>>>>>>>>>> car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While >>>>>>>>>> pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new >>>>>>>>>> Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been. >>>>>>>>>>
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the
car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they
were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that
is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>>>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7 >>>>>>> that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down >>>>>>> south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I >>>>>>> drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I >>>>>>> didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could >>>>>>> have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for >>>>>>> sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/ >>>>>>>
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don?t >>>>>> think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or
Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new >>>>> electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
IAd assume the lotus 7 would be difficult to make into a usable EV though >>>> is a market for classic cars, so they tend to have appropriate power levels
and donAt require fast chargers, so can make for that use case a useable >>>> and fun car, not my thing but I get the point of those.
I believe the roadster is reasonably well regarded, clearly itAs what 10 >>>> years or more old now.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merrriman
Well, for various definitions of 'difficult' I suppose.
Or not. Caterhams are essentially Lotus Super Seven:
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-the-difference-between-a-caterham-and-a-lotus-seven/
The link above shows electric power conversion is possible.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
It's now an actual product, piddling along at a pathetic top
speed of only 130mph:
ThatAs about what all bar one of the models top out at or are limited to,
being light and nimble seems to be the draw than absolute speed or even the >> 0-60 dash.
https://caterhamcars.com/en/models/evseven
N.B. no mention of vehicle curb weight. It's a safe bet it's
way over 1036 pounds (470kg).
Says sub 700Kg with 52K kWh battery thatAs fairly impressive really
considering the lack of space!
Not going to be a daily driver, and seems to be mid pack in terms of power >> to weight of the models, this said would have the EV instant torque.
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1967/1432085/lotus_super_seven_1500.html#gsc.tab=0
Whether people buy them in sustainable, profitable volumes
will be a different problem.
Roger Merriman
Thanks I missed the EV weight. Still and all a +50% weight
increase is significant. To me, anyway, YMMV.
On 8/16/2025 6:10 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
On 8/15/2025 3:03 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On 15 Aug 2025 11:39:23 GMT, Roger Merriman <roger@sarlet.com> wrote: >>>>>
Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 20:06:38 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>>>>>>Related Tesla first car the roadster was lotus derived, as they do work for
On 8/14/2025 7:34 PM, cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 20:17:13 2025 cyclintom wrote:
On Thu Aug 14 19:29:30 2025 Wolfgang Strobl wrote:
Nice sports car, but very different from what we need and use. >>>>>>>>>>>
Our car is specified with 1512 l trunk (boot) space - maximum. >>>>>>>>>>> (53.4 cu. ft.)
<https://www.auto-data.net/en/citroen-xsara-break-n2-phase-i-1.4-i-75hp-15128>
Enough to transport two bicycles and luggage for a month in the >>>>>>>>>>> car without obstructing the rear view.
Teslas have always looked funny with that blank front end. While >>>>>>>>>> pulling out of a coffee shop during my ride today there was a new >>>>>>>>>> Tesla with a very nice looking grill and front end.
With the new solid state aluminum batteries starting in 2026 Tesla is
about to become a great deal more desireable than they have been. >>>>>>>>>>
https://allautoexperts.com/adros-new-tesla-model-3-widebody-kit-a-radical-overhaul-for-the-electric-sedan#google_vignette
I'd like to point out that EV's typically have better performance than a Corvette.
While the cars I found on-line look better than the standard Tesla, the
car I saw at the coffee shop looked more like the Maseratti sedans they
were selling recently.That sort of styling with the EV performance that
is coming at the first of the year would put Tesla into the realm of >>>>>>>>> being an honest automobile manufacturer.
As with bicycles, every auto platform is also an electric
auto platform.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
Name your poison. Oh, and celebrate diversity.
The shop in Madison where I used to take my old Spitfire had a Lotus 7 >>>>>>> that I drooled over. Later, I discovered a guy named Blakely down >>>>>>> south of Rockford, Illinois who made a Pinto based kit car replica. I >>>>>>> drove the family down to see it and try it out. Unfortunately, I >>>>>>> didn't have the where-with-all to buy it. Years later, when I could >>>>>>> have done it, he'd quit making them. I occasionally see them up for >>>>>>> sale.
https://www.oddimotive.com/pinto-based-lotus-7-inspired-kit-car/ >>>>>>>
https://barnfinds.com/seven-wannabe-1975-blakely-bantam/
all sorts of manufacturers including obviously bikes at one time don-At >>>>>> think they do any more, spectacular looking machines even in the flesh, or
Carbon!
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Musk used the Lotus Elese. Thank goodness he didn't base it on the
Lotus 7 because that would have been a sacrilege. Hopefully, this new >>>>> electric Caterham is nothing like the 7.
IrCOd assume the lotus 7 would be difficult to make into a usable EV though
is a market for classic cars, so they tend to have appropriate power levels
and donrCOt require fast chargers, so can make for that use case a useable >>>> and fun car, not my thing but I get the point of those.
I believe the roadster is reasonably well regarded, clearly itrCOs what 10 >>>> years or more old now.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merrriman
Well, for various definitions of 'difficult' I suppose.
Or not. Caterhams are essentially Lotus Super Seven:
https://www.hotcars.com/this-is-the-difference-between-a-caterham-and-a-lotus-seven/
The link above shows electric power conversion is possible.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a43793998/electric-caterham-announced-report/
It's now an actual product, piddling along at a pathetic top
speed of only 130mph:
ThatrCOs about what all bar one of the models top out at or are limited to, >> being light and nimble seems to be the draw than absolute speed or even the >> 0-60 dash.
https://caterhamcars.com/en/models/evseven
N.B. no mention of vehicle curb weight. It's a safe bet it's
way over 1036 pounds (470kg).
Says sub 700Kg with 52K kWh battery thatrCOs fairly impressive really
considering the lack of space!
Not going to be a daily driver, and seems to be mid pack in terms of power >> to weight of the models, this said would have the EV instant torque.
https://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1967/1432085/lotus_super_seven_1500.html#gsc.tab=0
Whether people buy them in sustainable, profitable volumes
will be a different problem.
Roger Merriman
Thanks I missed the EV weight. Still and all a +50% weight
increase is significant. To me, anyway, YMMV.
Again I'll ask, why did someone supposedly with an EE not be able to get a job in the hottest job market in the entire world?
Half of my design work was analog so you can't use your digital excuses.
On Sat Aug 16 15:51:14 2025 Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2025 19:22:13 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Again I'll ask, why did someone supposedly with an EE not be able to get a job in the hottest job market in the entire world?
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results".
In this case, it's asking the same dumb question repeatedly. I've
already replied to your inane question several times. Apparently, you
didn't like my replies (or you didn't read any of them). Were you
expecting a different answer? If so, I suggest you have your sanity
tested:
"Take a Mental Health Test"
<https://screening.mhanational.org/screening-tools/>
Half of my design work was analog so you can't use your digital excuses.
I thought you were mostly a firmware programmer? Or was that a
"senior financial advisor"? Or working for a variety of companies
that you haven't bothered to add to your resume. Predictably, I can't
seem to find any analog design experience in your resume:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
The major flaw with you is that you believe that you can think when you've never been able to accomplish that feat at no time in your life.
And don't pretend that you've answered the question - WHY weren't you able to find work with your oh, so valued degree, when you lived in the hottest bed of EE work in the entire world? There was such a high demand for EE's, that anually they were promoting technicians to ewngineers very often.
I was an electronics engineer. That means that I could design analog or digital circutry and I pointed out instruments on Ebay that I designed from scratch. Or perhaps you're sliding into dementia and cannot remember that far back. If you design digital circuitry that uses microprocessors, you have to be able to program them for the required use. After a time they were allowing Jr. Engineers to design digital circuitry that required largely nothing more than a microprocessor with interfacing circuitry. But they could not program them effectively. In fact, many software engineers could not program effectively so they would hire me to make their designs work or point out the design flaws that would prevent them from being programmed effectively.
I am STILL being called to program medical instruments but I have no further interest in correcting the work of other people for a scant $200,000/yr? All of the people that knew my capabilities are now gone and I would end up having to prove myself again and again. I'd just as soon let them fail.
And don't pretend that you've answered the question
WHY weren't you able to find work with your oh, so valued degree,
when you lived in the hottest bed of EE work in the entire world?
There was such a high demand for EE's, that anually they were
promoting technicians to ewngineers very often.
I was an electronics engineer.
That means that I could design analog or digital circutry
and I pointed out instruments on Ebay that I designed from scratch.
Or perhaps you're sliding into dementia and cannot remember that
far back.
If you design digital circuitry that uses microprocessors, you
have to be able to program them for the required use.
After a time they were allowing Jr. Engineers to design digital
circuitry that required largely nothing more than a microprocessor
with interfacing circuitry.
But they could not program them effectively.
In fact,
many software engineers could not program effectively so they would
hire me to make their designs work or point out the design flaws that
would prevent them from being programmed effectively.
I am STILL being called to program medical instruments but I have no further interest in correcting the work of other people for a scant $200,000/yr? All of the people that knew my capabilities are now gone and I would end up having to prove myself again and again. I'd just as soon let them fail.
On Sun, 17 Aug 2025 23:55:57 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
And don't pretend that you've answered the question
I have, but I'm not able to find my own replies without expending considerable time and effort. The problem is that the remaining two
archive sites: <https://www.novabbs.com/tech/thread.php?group=rec.bicycles.tech> <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com>
are both non-functional. Without them, it is very difficult to find
articles by content and using regular expressions. I tried to find my
own replies to your repetitive demands for information about my
employment history, but found it too tedious to be useful. Therefore,
if your sanity depends on me providing you with links to my past
answers, I can't do it until someone finds a functional Usenet
archive.
I did find one archive that might be usable:
<https://www.easynews.com>
They have both web access and search for $10/month. 30 day refund if
I'm dissatisfied. I might try it, but not for at least 1 week. I'm
busy. If you're in a hurry, you could make it easier for me by
investing $10 and letting me know if the search works for things like searching for your name and some keywords. It might also be a
suitable alternative for your newshosting.com service.
WHY weren't you able to find work with your oh, so valued degree,
when you lived in the hottest bed of EE work in the entire world?
You make it sound like I was impoverished and desperate for paying
work. That was hardly the case. A simple answer is that I've only
been "looking for work" two or maybe three times in my career. There
were a few gaps (typically 2 weeks) between jobs. There was some
overlap with consulting gigs. The only time I was worried about not
having a job was a 2 or 3 week layoff, when my employer ran out of
funds to pay me.
Now, my turn. Why is it so important to you that I detail my
employment history down to the day?
There was such a high demand for EE's, that anually they were
promoting technicians to ewngineers very often.
I saw that happen maybe 3 times at one company.
However, it's not
what you're implying. What happened was that there was a shortage of engineers. Companies were promoting technicians to engineering
positions, but not changing their title and increasing their pay
accordingly. The result was something of protest or strike. In all
cases, the company agree to a change of title and a pay increase. I
don't recall seeing anyone hired as an engineer who didn't also have
an engineering degree and some engineering experience.
I was an electronics engineer.
No, you were not an electronics engineer. You might claim that you
worked as a non-degreed engineer, but I don't see that on your resume.
That means that I could design analog or digital circutry
Actually, the design part of a project usually lasted on about 2 to 4
weeks. The rest was testing, documentation, parts specifications,
test fixture construction, writing manuals, and more paperwork. If
all you did was "design", you were not an engineer.
and I pointed out instruments on Ebay that I designed from scratch.
11/18/2024 <https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/RtRkomxX/1972-legnano-in-the-news> (article missing in archive)
Message-ID: <FHM_O.28927$IFic.2874@fx12.iad> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/365192218756> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/135222271308> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/145880905398>
"I designed and programmed everything on these but the PC board and
the cabinets. The Pro/Group also had another turntable on it which
contained 48 blood sample test tubes and it would preload the 48
container tray that could then be transfer to the trhermocycler that
cycled the up and down with great precision via Peltier devices
heating and cooling at particular speeds for each cycle"
That would be when you worked for Cetus (Aug 1986 - Dec 1989): <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
In 3.5 years, I would expect that you "designed" more than one
instrument. Got any more?
Or perhaps you're sliding into dementia and cannot remember that
far back.
Actually, that is a problem. I'm now 77.7 years old and am having
problems remembering things. If it's any consolation, almost everyone
I know, that is of similar age, is having memory problems. However,
everyone is still functional and a long way from dementia.
If you design digital circuitry that uses microprocessors, you
have to be able to program them for the required use.
In about 1977, I worked on the Intech M3600 which used a Mostek 3850
or Fairchild F8 uP. Designing the PCB and programming the uP was done
by my boss. I was too busy working on the receiver, audio, switching, driver, RF power amplifier, and doing the testing. There were 3
engineers and 1 technician working on the design and prototypes.
After a time they were allowing Jr. Engineers to design digital
circuitry that required largely nothing more than a microprocessor
with interfacing circuitry.
Worse. Companies were copying the uP development systems and
prototyping PCB's. Most of the early controllers were borrowed from
the chip makers. It didn't take a Junior Engineer to do that. Any technician could have done it.
Incidentally, HR (human resources) made the mistakes of printing new
business cards for the engineers. Instead of asking someone for the
official titles, they used the old WEMA (Western Electronics Mfg
Assoc) title, which were based on the pay scale. Quite a few
engineers ended up with the title of "Jr Engineer". When the burning
of the business cards in the parking lot was finished, new cards were
ordered without the "Jr". I don't recall anyone who had a title of
"jr engineer" for more than a few minutes.
But they could not program them effectively.
Did you organize a design review to evaluate their work?
In fact,
Starting your sentence with "it fact" indicates that it's not a fact.
If it's really true, is it really necessary to tell me that it's a
"fact"? I don't think so.
many software engineers could not program effectively so they would
hire me to make their designs work or point out the design flaws that
would prevent them from being programmed effectively.
Out of idle curiosity, what does it mean to "program effectively"? I'm
only interested in whether it work, meets the specs, meets the cost
target, can be manufacturer, and is reliable. I don't see anything in
this list of requirements that involves it being "effective". That's
because everything I listed can be measured with numbers attached.
How do you measure something being "effective"?
I am STILL being called to program medical instruments but I have no further interest in correcting the work of other people for a scant $200,000/yr? All of the people that knew my capabilities are now gone and I would end up having to prove myself again and again. I'd just as soon let them fail.
I had the same problem. I would get panic calls asking for
engineering documentation on something I designed previously. The
company would usually throw away all the old documentation and
prototype boards. I took home some of that which I thought someone
might need eventually. I think that lasted about 10 years and then disappeared as the products became obsolete.
On 8/18/2025 1:17 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
However, it's not
what you're implying. What happened was that there was a shortage of
engineers. Companies were promoting technicians to engineering
positions, but not changing their title and increasing their pay
accordingly. The result was something of protest or strike. In all
cases, the company agree to a change of title and a pay increase. I
don't recall seeing anyone hired as an engineer who didn't also have
an engineering degree and some engineering experience.
My experience is the opposite. In all three cases it was a result of an >engineering technician showing exceptional talent. Two of them were in
the process of getting their degrees and graduated afterwards. One never
did get his degree to my knowledge. I don't recall it being a case of >unavailability of outside qualified applicants
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:04:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Please learn how to edit URL's.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068
The date code on the back of the above item (Perkin Elmer Cetus
Pro/Pette Sampling System), shows the date of mfg as the 14th week of
1975 on the blurry but readable serial number stickers. Were you
working for Cetus prior to when this device was made in 1975? Your
online resume shows that you worked for Cetus Aug 1986 - Dec 1989.
Could you please untangle this for me? <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
This item shows that you allegedly worked for Applied Biosystems. Why
is this company missing from your resume? <https://www.ebay.com/itm/396815467045>
I also checked the if your resume showed the other names used by
Applied Biosystems. Nothing found: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Biosystems#History>
The date of mfg is shown as Aug 2005. According to your resume, you
were working for Embarcadero Systems Corp during 2005. Prior to that,
you worked for Tecan Systems, Inc. Where did you find time to also
design products at Applied Biosystems during these periods?
The date of mfg is not shown for the Perkin Elmer DNA Thermal Cycler
480.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Biosystems#Perkin-Elmer>
I got lost in the various name changes. I also could easily determine
when the Thermal Cycler 480 was initially introduced. The user manual
at:
<https://manuals.plus/asin/B07NRZFYZL>
shows a vacuum fluorescent display at 12/8/88. I can't tell if that's
Dec or Aug, but at least the 1988 is probably correct. In 1988, you
were working for Cetus Corp.
Offhand, you seem to be claiming that you worked for 2 companies at
the same time over 3 different time spans. That doesn't sound right.
On 8/18/2025 8:43 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:04:14 GMT, cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Please learn how to edit URL's.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163276237068
The date code on the back of the above item (Perkin Elmer Cetus
Pro/Pette Sampling System), shows the date of mfg as the 14th week of
1975 on the blurry but readable serial number stickers. Were you
working for Cetus prior to when this device was made in 1975? Your
online resume shows that you worked for Cetus Aug 1986 - Dec 1989.
Could you please untangle this for me?
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/details/experience/>
This item shows that you allegedly worked for Applied Biosystems. Why
is this company missing from your resume?
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/396815467045>
I also checked the if your resume showed the other names used by
Applied Biosystems. Nothing found:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Biosystems#History>
The date of mfg is shown as Aug 2005. According to your resume, you
were working for Embarcadero Systems Corp during 2005. Prior to that,
you worked for Tecan Systems, Inc. Where did you find time to also
design products at Applied Biosystems during these periods?
The date of mfg is not shown for the Perkin Elmer DNA Thermal Cycler
480.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applied_Biosystems#Perkin-Elmer>
I got lost in the various name changes. I also could easily determine
when the Thermal Cycler 480 was initially introduced. The user manual
at:
<https://manuals.plus/asin/B07NRZFYZL>
shows a vacuum fluorescent display at 12/8/88. I can't tell if that's
Dec or Aug, but at least the 1988 is probably correct. In 1988, you
were working for Cetus Corp.
Offhand, you seem to be claiming that you worked for 2 companies at
the same time over 3 different time spans. That doesn't sound right.
That's because he's lying.
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which >>>> hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully >>>> fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component >>>> of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and >>>> longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too >>>> high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to >>>>> design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that >>>>> thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that >>>>> would suggest the latest Corvette.They would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him.
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive
train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15%
more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point
where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car.
that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV
batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly
larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle >> to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less >> at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i
suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales
volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends
to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for
example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would >> for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge >> as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to >> run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being
able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up
to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I
don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant.
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla without the trademark T.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note >>> that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV >>> batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly >>> larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle >>> to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully >>>>> fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component >>>>> of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and >>>>> longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too >>>>> high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina to >>>>>> design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put thatThey would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him.
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive >>>> train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point
where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car.
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less >>> at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i
suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales
volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends >>> to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for
example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would >>> for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge >>> as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to >>> run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being
able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they
probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up
to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I
don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant.
It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy rCLtransmissionsrCY which had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which
to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more difficult.
CanrCOt say IrCOm aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla
without the trademark T.
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isnrCOt a boring vehicle!
Roger Merriman
On Wed Aug 20 09:24:51 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 8/19/2025 3:27 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy ?transmissions? which >>> had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been >>> particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which >>> to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note >>>>> that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV >>>>> batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly >>>>> larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully >>>>>>> fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>>>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>>>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina toThey would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him. >>>>>>>
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>>>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive >>>>>> train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point >>>>>> where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car. >>>>>>
to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less
at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i >>>>> suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales >>>>> volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends >>>>> to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for >>>>> example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would
for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge
as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to
run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being >>>> able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they >>>> probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up >>>> to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I
don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant. >>>
difficult.
Can?t say I?m aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though >>> that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla >>>> without the trademark T.
unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isn?t a boring vehicle!
https://www.fastcompany.com/91294552/tesla-owners-are-disguising-their-cars-with-fake-badges-as-a-form-of-resistance
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/removing-all-external-badging.341097/
What does it matter to you Flunky? You couldn't afford a used Studebaker?
On Tue Aug 19 19:27:48 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note >>>> that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV >>>> batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly >>>> larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle >>>> to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully >>>>>> fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina toThey would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him. >>>>>>
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive >>>>> train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point >>>>> where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car. >>>>>
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less >>>> at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i
suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales
volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends >>>> to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for >>>> example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would
for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge >>>> as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to >>>> run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being
able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they >>> probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up
to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I
don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant.
It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy ?transmissions? which
had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been >> particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which
to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more
difficult.
Can?t say I?m aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla >>> without the trademark T.
that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all
unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isn?t a boring vehicle!
I don't know where you get your information about Tesla, but they are
dead silent whereas the electric Ford Mustands howl from the time you
turn the key. That is from the inverter. Moreover, most electric cars
uswe Chinwaw batteries whixh will become very expensive with the teriffs in place.
The very earliest Tesla's had QC problems concerning guarding the battery pack but other than that I have never heard of problems aside from
specifying the incorrect stainless alloy for the trucks.
In about 1977, I worked on the Intech M3600 which used a Mostek 3850
or Fairchild F8 uP. Designing the PCB and programming the uP was done
by my boss. I was too busy working on the receiver, audio, switching, >driver, RF power amplifier, and doing the testing. There were 3
engineers and 1 technician working on the design and prototypes.
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Wed Aug 20 09:24:51 2025 zen cycle wrote:
On 8/19/2025 3:27 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy ?transmissions? which >>>> had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully
fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>>>>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>>>>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina toThey would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised >>>>>>>> particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him. >>>>>>>>
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>>>>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns. >>>>>>>
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive >>>>>>> train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>>>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point >>>>>>> where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car. >>>>>>>
that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV
batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly >>>>>> larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle
to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less
at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i >>>>>> suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales >>>>>> volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends
to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for >>>>>> example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would
for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge
as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to
run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being >>>>> able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they >>>>> probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up >>>>> to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I >>>>> don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant. >>>>
particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which >>>> to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more >>>> difficult.
Can?t say I?m aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though >>>> that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla >>>>> without the trademark T.
unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isn?t a boring vehicle!
https://www.fastcompany.com/91294552/tesla-owners-are-disguising-their-cars-with-fake-badges-as-a-form-of-resistance
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/removing-all-external-badging.341097/
What does it matter to you Flunky? You couldn't afford a used Studebaker?
Yup a friend has a Tesla power wall and says rCLbought it before he went mad!rCY Noticed a Tesla with a sticker saying similar thing on way to the cafe, my cousin company car is a Tesla but they have cancelled the deal
with Tesla as they donrCOt want to be connected to well Musk!
Roger Merriman
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue Aug 19 19:27:48 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 20:37:37 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:It is indeed, early model S had problems with noisy ?transmissions? which >>> had to be replaced, as ever with Tesla whose quality control has never been >>> particularly good, and some technology was pushed out way too fast, which >>> to a extent is fine with software as it can be patched hardware is more
cyclintom <cyclintom@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri Aug 15 09:34:27 2025 Roger Merriman wrote:There is no only, that?s more than a 1/4 of the model Y?s weight and note >>>>> that EV do have transmission if single speed transmissions, regardless EV >>>>> batteries take a higher % of a vehicle weight you?d need a significantly >>>>> larger engine and transmission almost certainly from a much larger vehicle
The reason Pikes Peak is dominating by EV?s is not weight but oxygen which
hinders the ICE engine.
Not seen any evidence that solid state batteries have the same fuel density
and weight as fuel, my car has a 70 litre tank so 70 something KG fully >>>>>>> fuelled, the engine will be heavier than a electric motor, but even so >>>>>>> battery packs are many hundreds of KG and thus are the heaviest component
of a EV.
To be honest weight of the EV isn?t a gotcha car weights and size have >>>>>>> after all increased over time, as long as the range and recharge rate and
longevity keeps improving, and as long as the weight doesn?t creep up too
high it?s not really a issue.
I was going to write to Tesla and suggest that they hire Pinin Farina toThey would do better to focus on delivery and not over promised
design the car but that thing I saw at the coffee shop certainly put that
thought aside. While it was a sedan, it bore quite a lot of features that
would suggest the latest Corvette.
particularly as they do have competition now, and while Musk has managed to
get attention, if they could somehow distance themselves from him. >>>>>>>
Business absolutely will make decisions with their fleet about company >>>>>>> image and are choosing to not keep Tesla due to their concerns.
Roger, a Tesla Model 3 battery pack is only 1060 lbs. The engine, drive >>>>>> train and transmission weight that. And the newer Tesla motors are 15% >>>>>> more efficient. While I do not own a Tesla it is getting to the point >>>>>> where it is silly to drive an ICE if you are going to get a new car. >>>>>>
to reach the same weight as a EV battery.
Tesla motors 15% more efficient? Tesla are very good at claims rather less
at making good said claims! And proving those claims.
Looking ahead the future is EV can?t see other options really, but i >>>>> suspect that Tesla will wain or even disappear, note how their sales >>>>> volumes are dropping as other companies are now offering EV?s
Remember that mileage claims/tests are mixed use, not Highway which tends >>>>> to drop EV?s range by a fair amount, one of the few EV estate cars for >>>>> example has a range of few hundred miles but on a motorway this range would
for example make the drive to wales, which is 150miles would need a charge
as you?d be very low in the hills of wales, where you really don?t want to
run out of power!
Tedchnically EV's don't have a "transmission" since that implies being >>>> able to change the ratio between the engine and the drive shaft. But they >>>> probably do have a single step down ratio since normal EV motors run up >>>> to 15,000 rpm and Tesla carbon wrapped motors and run up to 20,000. I
don't feel like doing the math right now but the tire size is relevant. >>>
difficult.
Can?t say I?m aware of newer model, there is the Y which is newish though >>> that is just a SUV version of the 3 similar to the S/X which are all
I saw that great looking Tesla again and you'd never guess it was a Tesla >>>> without the trademark T.
unremarkable looking cars, not something one can level against the
Cypertruck which despite its many shortcomings isn?t a boring vehicle!
I don't know where you get your information about Tesla, but they are
dead silent whereas the electric Ford Mustands howl from the time you
turn the key. That is from the inverter. Moreover, most electric cars
uswe Chinwaw batteries whixh will become very expensive with the teriffs in place.
The very earliest Tesla's had QC problems concerning guarding the battery
pack but other than that I have never heard of problems aside from
specifying the incorrect stainless alloy for the trucks.
Model S from memory had problems with its transmission used to start to
make noise and problems with the door handles, the X unsurprisingly was the gull wing doors.
All of them have problems with panel fit and so on.
And this if from generally folks and so on that are essentially fanboys ie they accept the faults as they liked the concept etc.
Roger Merriman
