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I question whether Trump's second term means restoral of conservative
values. After all, conservatism is an offshoot of liberalism, what
liberalism meant a century ago and not the way it's been distorted since
the 1960s.
Conservatives are still supposed to support the Constitution of the
United States, which Trump clearly does not.
Here's an article. Men were sitting outside in a place I used to live a
long time ago. The neighborhood was typically 1/3 white, 1/3 black, and
1/3 Hispanic, mostly Mexican and from various Central American
countries; Puerto Ricans live in another neighborhood.
ICE saw the men, pulled up, demanded papers. One man not carrying papers
was taken into custody, driven around, and finally, they found him in
their databases.
He was issued a citation for violating federal law requiring him to
carry his visa at all times. The article said he was a legal resident
but it didn't specifically say his visa was a green card. There are
other legal resident statuses.
The other man, without legal status, was taken away.
Just sitting outside isn't probable cause for an arrest.
On 10/14/2025 3:49 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
I question whether Trump's second term means restoral of conservative >>values. After all, conservatism is an offshoot of liberalism, what >>liberalism meant a century ago and not the way it's been distorted since >>the 1960s.
Conservatives are still supposed to support the Constitution of the
United States, which Trump clearly does not.
Here's an article. Men were sitting outside in a place I used to live a >>long time ago. The neighborhood was typically 1/3 white, 1/3 black, and
1/3 Hispanic, mostly Mexican and from various Central American
countries; Puerto Ricans live in another neighborhood.
ICE saw the men, pulled up, demanded papers. One man not carrying papers >>was taken into custody, driven around, and finally, they found him in
their databases.
He was issued a citation for violating federal law requiring him to
carry his visa at all times. The article said he was a legal resident
but it didn't specifically say his visa was a green card. There are
other legal resident statuses.
The other man, without legal status, was taken away.
Just sitting outside isn't probable cause for an arrest.
But the Supreme Court HAS ruled that being Hispanic is.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 10/14/2025 3:49 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
I question whether Trump's second term means restoral of conservative >>>values. After all, conservatism is an offshoot of liberalism, what >>>liberalism meant a century ago and not the way it's been distorted since >>>the 1960s.
Conservatives are still supposed to support the Constitution of the >>>United States, which Trump clearly does not.
Here's an article. Men were sitting outside in a place I used to live a >>>long time ago. The neighborhood was typically 1/3 white, 1/3 black, and >>>1/3 Hispanic, mostly Mexican and from various Central American
countries; Puerto Ricans live in another neighborhood.
ICE saw the men, pulled up, demanded papers. One man not carrying papers >>>was taken into custody, driven around, and finally, they found him in >>>their databases.
He was issued a citation for violating federal law requiring him to
carry his visa at all times. The article said he was a legal resident
but it didn't specifically say his visa was a green card. There are
other legal resident statuses.
The other man, without legal status, was taken away.
Just sitting outside isn't probable cause for an arrest.
But the Supreme Court HAS ruled that being Hispanic is.
I'm not sure what case but I thought that was shadow docket with no
ruling on the merits.
ICE has been under a federal court order since the first Trump
administration not to arrest without probable cause in the local federal >district. It's not a nationwide order. Judges keep finding ICE in
violation. Also, the expiration of the order has gotten extended due to
all the violations.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 10/14/2025 3:49 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
I question whether Trump's second term means restoral of conservative
values. After all, conservatism is an offshoot of liberalism, what
liberalism meant a century ago and not the way it's been distorted since >>> the 1960s.
Conservatives are still supposed to support the Constitution of the
United States, which Trump clearly does not.
Here's an article. Men were sitting outside in a place I used to live a
long time ago. The neighborhood was typically 1/3 white, 1/3 black, and
1/3 Hispanic, mostly Mexican and from various Central American
countries; Puerto Ricans live in another neighborhood.
ICE saw the men, pulled up, demanded papers. One man not carrying papers >>> was taken into custody, driven around, and finally, they found him in
their databases.
He was issued a citation for violating federal law requiring him to
carry his visa at all times. The article said he was a legal resident
but it didn't specifically say his visa was a green card. There are
other legal resident statuses.
The other man, without legal status, was taken away.
Just sitting outside isn't probable cause for an arrest.
But the Supreme Court HAS ruled that being Hispanic is.
I'm not sure what case but I thought that was shadow docket with no
ruling on the merits.
ICE has been under a federal court order since the first Trump
administration not to arrest without probable cause in the local federal district. It's not a nationwide order. Judges keep finding ICE in
violation. Also, the expiration of the order has gotten extended due to
all the violations.