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Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase
of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the
Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza
but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy
them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7gY8Xw7j5U [2 minutes]

If this isn't proof that these protests have all been in aid of ramping
up anti-Semitism, what more could you possibly need to see?
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On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase
of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza
but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left will have if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.


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On 2025-10-10 1:52 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase
of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the
Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza
but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy
them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left will have
if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

The winner was announced hours ago and it wasn't Trump: it was the woman
who ran for President of Venezuela against Maduro, then had to step down because he disqualified her.

There were apparently some technical issues affecting Trump's candidacy
which may actually be valid FOR THIS YEAR. But if he doesn't get it next
year, the committee will have beclowned itself irredeemably, much worse
than their farcical award to Obama.
--
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On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:59:13 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-10 1:52 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase >>> of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the
Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza >>> but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy >>> them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left will >> have
if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

The winner was announced hours ago and it wasn't Trump: it was the woman
who ran for President of Venezuela against Maduro, then had to step down because he disqualified her.

There were apparently some technical issues affecting Trump's candidacy which may actually be valid FOR THIS YEAR. But if he doesn't get it next year, the committee will have beclowned itself irredeemably, much worse
than their farcical award to Obama.

Yes, it's too late for this year's award. I was referring to next year.

Although the winner of this year's award did dedicate it to Trump for his unwavering support of her and her cause.


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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-10-10 1:52 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

. . .

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left
will have if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

The winner was announced hours ago and it wasn't Trump: it was the woman
who ran for President of Venezuela against Maduro, then had to step down >because he disqualified her.

There were apparently some technical issues affecting Trump's candidacy >which may actually be valid FOR THIS YEAR. But if he doesn't get it next >year, the committee will have beclowned itself irredeemably, much worse
than their farcical award to Obama.

For the life of me, I don't understand the criticism for giving the
prize to Maria Corina Machado from Trump supporters making snarky
comments on social media. She won it for the usual reason -- to
keep Maduro from having her assasinated. She's literally pro-democracy
and anti-socialist. She's made speeches criticizing the youth of
Venezuala for having embraced Hugo Chavez decades ago and for
apologizing for the lack of liberty in Cuba. She actually believes that Venezualan's implementation of Cuba-style socialism has given Venezuala
a worse result than Cuba.

If Venezuala had free and fair elections, it would be entirely aligned
with American values.
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BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its >>ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase
of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the >>Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza >>but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated. >>Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy >>them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left
will have if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

I've said this to my friends. If I've said this on Usenet already, sorry
for being overly redundant.

Trump's strategy is overhype to force events. It's the fucking Middle
East where peace is merely the period in which preparations are made for
the next war.

I want the living hostages returned. They're going to be in ill health
and they will never recover their peace of mind, but just get them out
of the hands of terrorists.

A friend doesn't believe that Hamas failed to keep track of the corpses.
Well, Hamas was trying to bring on the apocolypse by making sure Israel
killed as many civilians as possible and didn't anticipate having a
future beyond the next terrorist incident. Why give back the bodies?

In a war between normal combatants, you keep prisoners alive to the
extent possible and you bury the bodies so they can be retrieved in
order to have something to trade.

If the living hostages get returned, then I'll believe the living
hostages have been returned.

Peace? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Hamas hasn't surrendered unconditionally and they still think they can be the "legitimate"
governent of Palestine if Palestine gains greater self governance or a nation-state. It wasn't even a condition that they cease all actions in
the West Bank.

I was unhappy that Netanyahu's targeted assasination of Hamas leaders in
Qatar missed. Why should those assholes get to sit out the war the
brought on, and continue to sit on billions and billions of dollars to
they can keep buying weapons?

I was really unhappy that Trump forced Netanyahu to officially apologize
to Qatar. Fuck those criminal bastards. How are these people not
SPECTRE-like Bond villains? They literally facilitated kidnapping and extortion.

This makes Netanyahu look like Trump's vassal and not as likely to mete
out punishment as possible. Being scary is the only thing that works in
the Middle East.

I heard an interesting comment on NPR from a lawyer based in Israel who
has Hamas ties and is used as an intermediary. (Does that sound like a
recipie for a shortened life span or what?) He said there was a deal
on the table to get the war ended in short order but when they tried to
give it to Biden's people, they wouldn't consider it. He also commented
that Hamas, which would not surrender to Netanyahu if there was still
one living Palestinian civilian to get killed, had to be convinced that
the only one they had to please was Trump. Netanyahu's allies are
essentially Republican-like Israelies and weren't close to Democrats at
all. I've always thought Netanyahu comes off like an American-style
politician.

Was Israel's pending destruction of what remained of Gaza City a bluff?
I have no idea but that's the way Trump used it.

If any of this holds, what we'll have will be better than the horror of
the last two years but it won't get to the point of a warm peace or even
a nearly-boiling cold war. Trump will lose interest and further gains
cannot be forced.

Now, I'm glad that Muslim nations, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Turkey, are
going to put boots on the ground but the very idea that their occupation
can turn out benevolently with a Palestinian people ready for democracy
and to respect the idea that everyone else has liberty too is laughable.
Not a single one of these countries is democratic.
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On 2025-10-12 1:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase
of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the
Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza
but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy
them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left
will have if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

I've said this to my friends. If I've said this on Usenet already, sorry
for being overly redundant.

Trump's strategy is overhype to force events. It's the fucking Middle
East where peace is merely the period in which preparations are made for
the next war.

I want the living hostages returned. They're going to be in ill health
and they will never recover their peace of mind, but just get them out
of the hands of terrorists.

Even a life of PTSD has to be better than what they've already endured.

A friend doesn't believe that Hamas failed to keep track of the corpses. Well, Hamas was trying to bring on the apocolypse by making sure Israel killed as many civilians as possible and didn't anticipate having a
future beyond the next terrorist incident. Why give back the bodies?

In a war between normal combatants, you keep prisoners alive to the
extent possible and you bury the bodies so they can be retrieved in
order to have something to trade.

Hamas really wants the bodies of Yahyah Sinwar and his brother back but
Israel has refused so far. Israel should use that leverage to pressure
Hamas about the deceased hostages.

If the living hostages get returned, then I'll believe the living
hostages have been returned.

I'm glad you used the "if" in that sentence. Hamas has been lying and
stalling since the very beginning. I really don't trust them to return
even one of the living hostages let alone of them. The hostages are
major leverage for them. I hope to be proven wrong about the living
hostages being returned but I really don't see why they would give them
back. I hope they renege and that Bibi goes balls-to-the-wall to take
out the rest of Hamas as he's promised.

Peace? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Hamas hasn't surrendered unconditionally and they still think they can be the "legitimate"
governent of Palestine if Palestine gains greater self governance or a nation-state. It wasn't even a condition that they cease all actions in
the West Bank.

I completely agree with you on that. Hamas are not even *close* to be
done, at least in their own minds. As I understand it, much of Gaza and
the West Bank would be delighted to have Hamas running both areas. You
can bet that's Hamas' intention too.

I was unhappy that Netanyahu's targeted assasination of Hamas leaders in Qatar missed. Why should those assholes get to sit out the war the
brought on, and continue to sit on billions and billions of dollars to
they can keep buying weapons?

I was *really* hoping that every last one of the top leadership were
vaporized in Qatar. I can't think of more deserving monsters. >

I was really unhappy that Trump forced Netanyahu to officially apologize
to Qatar. Fuck those criminal bastards. How are these people not
SPECTRE-like Bond villains? They literally facilitated kidnapping and extortion.

This makes Netanyahu look like Trump's vassal and not as likely to mete
out punishment as possible. Being scary is the only thing that works in
the Middle East.

Cutting Netanyahu off at the knees like that really undermines him; now
Hamas and their allies will look to pressure Trump every time Netanyahu
so much as gives them an angry glare. They always seem to find something
to manoeuvre him with....

I heard an interesting comment on NPR from a lawyer based in Israel who
has Hamas ties and is used as an intermediary. (Does that sound like a recipie for a shortened life span or what?) He said there was a deal
on the table to get the war ended in short order but when they tried to
give it to Biden's people, they wouldn't consider it. He also commented
that Hamas, which would not surrender to Netanyahu if there was still
one living Palestinian civilian to get killed, had to be convinced that
the only one they had to please was Trump. Netanyahu's allies are
essentially Republican-like Israelies and weren't close to Democrats at
all.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. How is Likud and its allies like the Republicans?

I've always thought Netanyahu comes off like an American-style
politician.

He *did* live in the US for several years as a kid; maybe some of what
he saw there rubbed off on him....

Was Israel's pending destruction of what remained of Gaza City a bluff?
I have no idea but that's the way Trump used it.

If any of this holds, what we'll have will be better than the horror of
the last two years but it won't get to the point of a warm peace or even
a nearly-boiling cold war. Trump will lose interest and further gains
cannot be forced.

Trump only has a bit over 3 years left in his mandate. We have no real
idea what policies the next president might pursue or what domestic considerations will shape those policies. If the emerging
neo-isolationism is ascendant, the pressure to stay out of foreign
affairs may be irresistible for the next President.

Now, I'm glad that Muslim nations, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Turkey, are
going to put boots on the ground but the very idea that their occupation
can turn out benevolently with a Palestinian people ready for democracy
and to respect the idea that everyone else has liberty too is laughable.
Not a single one of these countries is democratic.

Well, Turkey is closer than the others but I'll be a lot happier if
Erdogan is finally replaced; that came pretty close to happening at
their last election.
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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-12 1:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

. . .

I heard an interesting comment on NPR from a lawyer based in Israel who
has Hamas ties and is used as an intermediary. (Does that sound like a >>recipie for a shortened life span or what?) He said there was a deal
on the table to get the war ended in short order but when they tried to >>give it to Biden's people, they wouldn't consider it. He also commented >>that Hamas, which would not surrender to Netanyahu if there was still
one living Palestinian civilian to get killed, had to be convinced that
the only one they had to please was Trump. Netanyahu's allies are >>essentially Republican-like Israelies and weren't close to Democrats at >>all.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. How is Likud and its allies like the >Republicans?

Before the rearrangements of the coalitions in United States politics, Democratic presidential administrations were expected to stand up for
Israel's security perhaps even more strongly than Republican
administrations, going back to Truman's policy of recognizing Israel.

Despite Jews being largely Democrats and New York no longer being a
swing state, Israel sees Democrats of having largely abandoned Israel.

The Republican Party immediately before Trump was very close to the
Arabs, especially the two Bushes. The only consistently pro-Israel group
was Evangelical Christians, for religious reasons. Since Trump, now that
no one else's opinion matters, the party is pro-Israel.

However, Trump has more influence with Qatar than Israel thanks to Steve Witcoff, a Jew who makes a fortune with engineering of major
infrastructure in Qatar. This is why he's Trump's envoy.

I've always thought Netanyahu comes off like an American-style
politician.

He *did* live in the US for several years as a kid; maybe some of what
he saw there rubbed off on him....

Netanyahu has hired American political consultants to run his campaigns
in the past.

Was Israel's pending destruction of what remained of Gaza City a bluff?
I have no idea but that's the way Trump used it.

If any of this holds, what we'll have will be better than the horror of
the last two years but it won't get to the point of a warm peace or even
a nearly-boiling cold war. Trump will lose interest and further gains >>cannot be forced.

Trump only has a bit over 3 years left in his mandate. We have no real
idea what policies the next president might pursue or what domestic >considerations will shape those policies. If the emerging
neo-isolationism is ascendant, the pressure to stay out of foreign
affairs may be irresistible for the next President.

The next administration is irrelevant. If there's any peace to be had,
it's Trump that must push it through no matter how many obstacles there
are.

Now, I'm glad that Muslim nations, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Turkey, are
going to put boots on the ground but the very idea that their occupation >>can turn out benevolently with a Palestinian people ready for democracy
and to respect the idea that everyone else has liberty too is laughable. >>Not a single one of these countries is democratic.

Well, Turkey is closer than the others but I'll be a lot happier if
Erdogan is finally replaced; that came pretty close to happening at
their last election.

I don't think Turkey stands a chance of returning to Ataturk-style
secularism. Erdogan ruined the republic and introduced significant
amounts of religion into public life that will be difficult to get ride
of. Ataturk understood how very dangerous that was.

The army is now entirely led by Erdogan flunkies and is no longer the
civil institution that was used to retain secular life.

In the grand tradition, the Kurds are still screwed. Nothing changes
there.
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On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:59:13 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-10 1:52 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its
ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase >>> of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the
Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza >>> but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated.
Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy >>> them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left will >> have
if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

The winner was announced hours ago and it wasn't Trump: it was the woman
who ran for President of Venezuela against Maduro, then had to step down because he disqualified her.

There were apparently some technical issues affecting Trump's candidacy which may actually be valid FOR THIS YEAR. But if he doesn't get it next year, the committee will have beclowned itself irredeemably, much worse
than their farcical award to Obama.

Imagine yelling "Free Palestine!" for two straight years and then having to thank President Trump for freeing Palestine.


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On 2025-10-12 5:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-12 1:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

. . .

I heard an interesting comment on NPR from a lawyer based in Israel who
has Hamas ties and is used as an intermediary. (Does that sound like a
recipie for a shortened life span or what?) He said there was a deal
on the table to get the war ended in short order but when they tried to
give it to Biden's people, they wouldn't consider it. He also commented
that Hamas, which would not surrender to Netanyahu if there was still
one living Palestinian civilian to get killed, had to be convinced that
the only one they had to please was Trump. Netanyahu's allies are
essentially Republican-like Israelies and weren't close to Democrats at
all.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. How is Likud and its allies like the
Republicans?

Before the rearrangements of the coalitions in United States politics, Democratic presidential administrations were expected to stand up for Israel's security perhaps even more strongly than Republican
administrations, going back to Truman's policy of recognizing Israel.

Despite Jews being largely Democrats and New York no longer being a
swing state, Israel sees Democrats of having largely abandoned Israel.

I still don't see why most Jews are still Democrats given the nonsense
the Dems have supported in the last several years.

The Republican Party immediately before Trump was very close to the
Arabs, especially the two Bushes.

So you're saying that if the present war had happened while a Bush was
in office - I remember Jeb Bush being widely-considered the front runner
and presumptive nominee in the 2016 race - Bush would have declined to
supply Israel with the arms it needed to fight its 7 front war?

The only consistently pro-Israel group
was Evangelical Christians, for religious reasons. Since Trump, now that
no one else's opinion matters, the party is pro-Israel.

However, Trump has more influence with Qatar than Israel thanks to Steve Witcoff, a Jew who makes a fortune with engineering of major
infrastructure in Qatar. This is why he's Trump's envoy.

I've always thought Netanyahu comes off like an American-style
politician.

He *did* live in the US for several years as a kid; maybe some of what
he saw there rubbed off on him....

Netanyahu has hired American political consultants to run his campaigns
in the past.

That's a better explanation for Bibi's style than my idea....

Was Israel's pending destruction of what remained of Gaza City a bluff?
I have no idea but that's the way Trump used it.

If any of this holds, what we'll have will be better than the horror of
the last two years but it won't get to the point of a warm peace or even >>> a nearly-boiling cold war. Trump will lose interest and further gains
cannot be forced.

Trump only has a bit over 3 years left in his mandate. We have no real
idea what policies the next president might pursue or what domestic
considerations will shape those policies. If the emerging
neo-isolationism is ascendant, the pressure to stay out of foreign
affairs may be irresistible for the next President.

The next administration is irrelevant. If there's any peace to be had,
it's Trump that must push it through no matter how many obstacles there
are.

The next administration is irrelevant *now* as the present deal either proceeds or collapses. But, as you say, even if the deal proceeds, it
will only do so until the Palestinians launch their next offensive
against Israel once they've re-armed. That will probably take until the
next administration, if not later, at which point they will be very
relevant ;-)

Now, I'm glad that Muslim nations, Arabs, Pakistanis, and Turkey, are
going to put boots on the ground but the very idea that their occupation >>> can turn out benevolently with a Palestinian people ready for democracy
and to respect the idea that everyone else has liberty too is laughable. >>> Not a single one of these countries is democratic.

Well, Turkey is closer than the others but I'll be a lot happier if
Erdogan is finally replaced; that came pretty close to happening at
their last election.

I don't think Turkey stands a chance of returning to Ataturk-style secularism. Erdogan ruined the republic and introduced significant
amounts of religion into public life that will be difficult to get ride
of. Ataturk understood how very dangerous that was.

The army is now entirely led by Erdogan flunkies and is no longer the
civil institution that was used to retain secular life.

I don't follow Turkish politics so I truly don't know if returning to Ataturk's secularism is widely desired. Even if it is, if the leaders
don't want it, it's unlikely to happen.
> In the grand tradition, the Kurds are still screwed. Nothing changes

there.

They ALWAYS get the dirty end of the stick, don't they?
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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

2025-10-12 5:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

. . .

Despite Jews being largely Democrats and New York no longer being a
swing state, Israel sees Democrats of having largely abandoned Israel.

I still don't see why most Jews are still Democrats given the nonsense
the Dems have supported in the last several years.

I've explained for me. I can't speak for anyone else. I get along just
fine with Republicans who are for small business and free markets.
Despite their flaws, I've always admired Roosevelt and Taft; McKinley
wanted high tariffs so I can't agree with him. But this isn't 120 years
ago.

The Republican Party immediately before Trump was very close to the
Arabs, especially the two Bushes.

So you're saying that if the present war had happened while a Bush was
in office - I remember Jeb Bush being widely-considered the front runner
and presumptive nominee in the 2016 race - Bush would have declined to >supply Israel with the arms it needed to fight its 7 front war?

Heh. I forgot about Jeb; what a nonentity. I have no idea.

. . .

I don't follow Turkish politics so I truly don't know if returning to >Ataturk's secularism is widely desired. Even if it is, if the leaders
don't want it, it's unlikely to happen.

It's not popular. Ataturk wanted to modernize the Turkish people despite themselves.

. . .

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 16:43:42 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
wrote:

On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:59:13 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >wrote:

On 2025-10-10 1:52 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:

On Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
wrote:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its >>>> ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase >>>> of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the >>>> Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza >>>> but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated. >>>> Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy >>>> them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left will >>> have
if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

The winner was announced hours ago and it wasn't Trump: it was the woman
who ran for President of Venezuela against Maduro, then had to step down
because he disqualified her.

There were apparently some technical issues affecting Trump's candidacy
which may actually be valid FOR THIS YEAR. But if he doesn't get it next
year, the committee will have beclowned itself irredeemably, much worse
than their farcical award to Obama.

Yes, it's too late for this year's award. I was referring to next year.

Although the winner of this year's award did dedicate it to Trump for his >unwavering support of her and her cause.

Trump could and did end a war and they wouldn't give him the award.
The libs would never allow it.
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 17:46:00 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

Oct 10, 2025 at 10:44:45 AM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

Have you seen the news from the Middle East? Israel and Hamas (and its >>>ally Palestinian Islamic Jihad) have agreed to at least the first phase >>>of a peace agreement and are about to swap security prisoners for the >>>Israeli hostages of Hamas. People are celebrating in Israel AND in Gaza >>>but the protests of the pro-Hamas crowd continue, apparently unabated. >>>Even the peace they've purportedly been seeking isn't enough to satisfy >>>them!

I'm already preparing the popcorn for the absolute meltdown the Left
will have if Trump gets a Nobel Peace Prize for brokering the deal.

I've said this to my friends. If I've said this on Usenet already, sorry
for being overly redundant.

Trump's strategy is overhype to force events. It's the fucking Middle
East where peace is merely the period in which preparations are made for
the next war.

I want the living hostages returned. They're going to be in ill health
and they will never recover their peace of mind, but just get them out
of the hands of terrorists.

They have been returned thanks to Trump's efforts.

A friend doesn't believe that Hamas failed to keep track of the corpses. >Well, Hamas was trying to bring on the apocolypse by making sure Israel >killed as many civilians as possible and didn't anticipate having a
future beyond the next terrorist incident. Why give back the bodies?

Hamas is a terrorist organization who doesn't give a damn about the
families who woud like to be able to bury their dead.

In a war between normal combatants, you keep prisoners alive to the
extent possible and you bury the bodies so they can be retrieved in
order to have something to trade.

If the living hostages get returned, then I'll believe the living
hostages have been returned.

Peace? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Hamas hasn't surrendered >unconditionally and they still think they can be the "legitimate"
governent of Palestine if Palestine gains greater self governance or a >nation-state. It wasn't even a condition that they cease all actions in
the West Bank.

They will never stop. They're terrorists and that's what terrorists
do.

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On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 21:46:40 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
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Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

On 2025-10-12 1:46 p.m., Adam H. Kerman wrote:

. . .

I heard an interesting comment on NPR from a lawyer based in Israel who >>>has Hamas ties and is used as an intermediary. (Does that sound like a >>>recipie for a shortened life span or what?) He said there was a deal
on the table to get the war ended in short order but when they tried to >>>give it to Biden's people, they wouldn't consider it. He also commented >>>that Hamas, which would not surrender to Netanyahu if there was still
one living Palestinian civilian to get killed, had to be convinced that >>>the only one they had to please was Trump. Netanyahu's allies are >>>essentially Republican-like Israelies and weren't close to Democrats at >>>all.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. How is Likud and its allies like the >>Republicans?

Before the rearrangements of the coalitions in United States politics, >Democratic presidential administrations were expected to stand up for >Israel's security perhaps even more strongly than Republican
administrations, going back to Truman's policy of recognizing Israel.

Now the Democrats favor Hamas. This is how far they have fallen

Despite Jews being largely Democrats and New York no longer being a
swing state, Israel sees Democrats of having largely abandoned Israel.

Because they have.

The Republican Party immediately before Trump was very close to the
Arabs, especially the two Bushes. The only consistently pro-Israel group
was Evangelical Christians, for religious reasons. Since Trump, now that
no one else's opinion matters, the party is pro-Israel.

However, Trump has more influence with Qatar than Israel thanks to Steve >Witcoff, a Jew who makes a fortune with engineering of major
infrastructure in Qatar. This is why he's Trump's envoy.

I've always thought Netanyahu comes off like an American-style >>>politician.

He *did* live in the US for several years as a kid; maybe some of what
he saw there rubbed off on him....

Netanyahu has hired American political consultants to run his campaigns
in the past.

Was Israel's pending destruction of what remained of Gaza City a bluff?
I have no idea but that's the way Trump used it.

If any of this holds, what we'll have will be better than the horror of >>>the last two years but it won't get to the point of a warm peace or even >>>a nearly-boiling cold war. Trump will lose interest and further gains >>>cannot be forced.

Trump only has a bit over 3 years left in his mandate. We have no real >>idea what policies the next president might pursue or what domestic >>considerations will shape those policies. If the emerging
neo-isolationism is ascendant, the pressure to stay out of foreign
affairs may be irresistible for the next President.

The next administration is irrelevant. If there's any peace to be had,
it's Trump that must push it through no matter how many obstacles there
are.

While peace is the goal it will never truly happen there. Hamas wants
all the Jews dead and our universities are churning out mind numbed
robots who shout "Death to Israel".
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