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Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most
oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The
boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee
does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the
boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a >photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model
thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father
is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father, >despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage
girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the
judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Baxter orders Price to make sure the girl is tried as an adult because
since last week's episode, Price prosecuted a teenage boy and known gang >banger as an adult and it's only fair. Uh, ok.
Price's idiot girlfriend, in the completely unexpected plot twist,
reveals that she's an expert witness for the defense to have her tried
as a juvenile as she's her psychiatrist.
At this point, the audience is infuriated. How exactly was it possible
that the psychiatrist had absolutely no idea of the crime either before
or after the fact?
What are the ethics here? Doesn't Price have to be replaced? It seems
not.
Having lost the confession, Baxter orders Price to offer a plea bargain; >rejected.
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trial >starts. Defense makes up a bullshit theory of the crime which Price
cannot challenge as the confession had been thrown out.
The girl testifies on her own behalf, trying to explain the nonsense
theory of the crime. Somehow Price did nothing to humanize the victim, >lawyering 101, and we saw nothing of the prosecution's case. She's such
a good little sociopath that Price sees the jury look at her piteously,
with one juror crying openly.
In rebuttal, Price does a tiny bit of damage, as the first girl,
rehearsing with the murder victim, has told the perpetrator when
rehearsal ended.
Maroun, in one of two lines of dialog, spots digital evidence that
police forensics completely missed. The girl had another account using
a pseudonym; no explanation for how Maroun found it. She sent messages
to Price's idiot girlfriend right before the crime!
Price has to explain to her, then threaten her with a supeona, then
treat her like a hostile witness, there this is no confidentiality if
the patient has threatened to harm himself or another. In fact, there's
an ethical duty to warn.
The girl told her psychiatrist she was about to commit murder, but gosh,
the psychiatrist didn't see this as a warning sign because other
patients who have threatened to commit murder or self harm hadn't
followed through.
Conviction.
Price waits for his idiot girlfriend to show up to dinner. She does, but >she's very late. Uh, dump her.
It did not appear that Odelya Halevi was present for the entire
production week. Numerous scenes in the courtroom, Maroun has
disappeared from, with Price sitting in the middle of the prosecution
table.
Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most
oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The
boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee
does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the
boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model
thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father
is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father, despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage
girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the
judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Baxter orders Price to make sure the girl is tried as an adult because
since last week's episode, Price prosecuted a teenage boy and known gang banger as an adult and it's only fair. Uh, ok.
Price's idiot girlfriend, in the completely unexpected plot twist,
reveals that she's an expert witness for the defense to have her tried
as a juvenile as she's her psychiatrist.
At this point, the audience is infuriated. How exactly was it possible
that the psychiatrist had absolutely no idea of the crime either before
or after the fact?
What are the ethics here? Doesn't Price have to be replaced? It seems
not.
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trial starts.
Price waits for his idiot girlfriend to show up to dinner. She does, but she's very late. Uh, dump her.
It did not appear that Odelya Halevi was present for the entire
production week. Numerous scenes in the courtroom, Maroun has
disappeared from, with Price sitting in the middle of the prosecution
table.
On Oct 6, 2025 at 1:04:56 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most
oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The
boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee
does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the
boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a
photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model
thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father
is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father,
despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage
girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the
judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Nope. She was Mirandized with her father. They declined counsel (for whatever reason). After that, there was no legal requirement that anyone be in the room
with her and Brady. The confession would not have been suppressed if the judge
hadn't been a graduate of Law & Order Judicial University, where it's taught that all judicial rulings must go against the state for plot purposes.
Baxter orders Price to make sure the girl is tried as an adult because
since last week's episode, Price prosecuted a teenage boy and known gang
banger as an adult and it's only fair. Uh, ok.
Yeah, Price even pointed out that the two cases aren't remotely similar and Baxter was like, okay, but still do it my way.
Price's idiot girlfriend, in the completely unexpected plot twist,
reveals that she's an expert witness for the defense to have her tried
as a juvenile as she's her psychiatrist.
At this point, the audience is infuriated. How exactly was it possible
that the psychiatrist had absolutely no idea of the crime either before
or after the fact?
What are the ethics here? Doesn't Price have to be replaced? It seems
not.
Of course he would. There's no way he could remain the prosecutor in a case where his girlfriend is a witness. Instant recusal and reassignment. Hell, that's why they have a second chair in the first place. Maroun should have taken over the case. But this is Law & Order World where none of these basic rules are followed. (And would it kill them to occasionally show the eye candy
assistant lawyer do some actual lawyering?)
On a recent episode of the SVU show, the prosecutor even said to a witness, "You've sat here and listened to all the testimony about sex trafficking and you're still going to deny it?"
The writers obviously have no clue that in a real trial, witnesses can't sit in the gallery and listen to testimony from other witnesses. It's a fundamental rule. But not only do they do it on LAW & ORDER, the prosecutor *points it out* for the love of gawd!
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trialI
starts.
She was probably reported to the Law & Order Bar Association for an ethical violation for doing it the right way.
Price waits for his idiot girlfriend to show up to dinner. She does, but
she's very late. Uh, dump her.
I thought for sure she'd dump him for having done his job and not letting a murderer walk because feelings.
It did not appear that Odelya Halevi was present for the entire
production week. Numerous scenes in the courtroom, Maroun has
disappeared from, with Price sitting in the middle of the prosecution
table.
These shows are operating on a shoestring budget these days. Over on ORGANIZED
CRIME, Stabler is literally the only detective left in the squad. All the others have disappeared, including the lieutenant/boss, and he just haunts the
empty bullpen with the deus ex hackina character, who was introduced to the show last year as an Elon Musk-type tech billionaire, but who has apparently abandoned all his businesses to sit in an NYPD squad room all day to provide tech support for Stabler.
On 2025-10-06 12:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 6, 2025 at 1:04:56 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:I stopped watching the Law and Order franchise (not just the mother
Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most
oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The
boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee
does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the
boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a
photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model
thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father >>> is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father, >>> despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage >>> girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the
judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Nope. She was Mirandized with her father. They declined counsel (for
whatever
reason). After that, there was no legal requirement that anyone be in the >> room
with her and Brady. The confession would not have been suppressed if the
judge
hadn't been a graduate of Law & Order Judicial University, where it's taught
that all judicial rulings must go against the state for plot purposes.
Baxter orders Price to make sure the girl is tried as an adult because
since last week's episode, Price prosecuted a teenage boy and known gang >>> banger as an adult and it's only fair. Uh, ok.
Yeah, Price even pointed out that the two cases aren't remotely similar and >> Baxter was like, okay, but still do it my way.
Price's idiot girlfriend, in the completely unexpected plot twist,
reveals that she's an expert witness for the defense to have her tried
as a juvenile as she's her psychiatrist.
At this point, the audience is infuriated. How exactly was it possible
that the psychiatrist had absolutely no idea of the crime either before >>> or after the fact?
What are the ethics here? Doesn't Price have to be replaced? It seems
not.
Of course he would. There's no way he could remain the prosecutor in a case >> where his girlfriend is a witness. Instant recusal and reassignment. Hell, >> that's why they have a second chair in the first place. Maroun should have >> taken over the case. But this is Law & Order World where none of these basic
rules are followed. (And would it kill them to occasionally show the eye
candy
assistant lawyer do some actual lawyering?)
On a recent episode of the SVU show, the prosecutor even said to a witness, >> "You've sat here and listened to all the testimony about sex trafficking and
you're still going to deny it?"
The writers obviously have no clue that in a real trial, witnesses can't sit
in the gallery and listen to testimony from other witnesses. It's a
fundamental rule. But not only do they do it on LAW & ORDER, the prosecutor >> *points it out* for the love of gawd!
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trialI >>> starts.
She was probably reported to the Law & Order Bar Association for an ethical >> violation for doing it the right way.
Price waits for his idiot girlfriend to show up to dinner. She does, but >>> she's very late. Uh, dump her.
I thought for sure she'd dump him for having done his job and not letting a >> murderer walk because feelings.
It did not appear that Odelya Halevi was present for the entire
production week. Numerous scenes in the courtroom, Maroun has
disappeared from, with Price sitting in the middle of the prosecution
table.
These shows are operating on a shoestring budget these days. Over on
ORGANIZED
CRIME, Stabler is literally the only detective left in the squad. All the >> others have disappeared, including the lieutenant/boss, and he just haunts >> the
empty bullpen with the deus ex hackina character, who was introduced to the >> show last year as an Elon Musk-type tech billionaire, but who has apparently
abandoned all his businesses to sit in an NYPD squad room all day to provide
tech support for Stabler.
ship) years back - about the time Jerry Orbach died - and I don't have
any impression that I'm missing anything other than illegal/unethical courtroom shenanigans and improbable investigative tactics.
It's sad to see how far Law and Order has fallen. It *used to be* an intriguing, compelling show back in the early years. I remember being pleasantly surprised that the most suspenseful episode of television I'd ever seen at the time - a Hill Street Blues episode where Norm Buntz and
his partner-for-the-day were taken prisoner by a psychopath who was
going to murder them - was written by none other than Dick Wolf. That
was some truly fine writing (and acting).
But that was then and this is now: Wolf has got people to do these
things for him now and, for whatever reason, he's not ensuring that they write plausibly or well, even though it's his production house and franchise. You'd think he'd want to avoid tarnishing his name and brand
but that ship sailed a good long while ago.
Oct 6, 2025 at 1:04:56 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most >>oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The
boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee
does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the
boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a >>photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model
thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father
is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father, >>despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage >>girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the
judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Nope. She was Mirandized with her father. They declined counsel (for whatever >reason). After that, there was no legal requirement that anyone be in the room >with her and Brady. The confession would not have been suppressed if the judge >hadn't been a graduate of Law & Order Judicial University, where it's taught >that all judicial rulings must go against the state for plot purposes.
. . .
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trial >>starts.
She was probably reported to the Law & Order Bar Association for an ethical >violation for doing it the right way.
--- Synchronet 3.21a-Linux NewsLink 1.2. . .
On Oct 6, 2025 at 10:17:48 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
On 2025-10-06 12:54 p.m., BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 6, 2025 at 1:04:56 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:I stopped watching the Law and Order franchise (not just the mother
Price gets a girlfriend. It's Kerry Bishe playing the world's most
oblivious child psychiatrist.
At a private middle school, the marching band conductor awards the
trumpet solo to the boy, and the girl looks angry enough to kill. The >>>> boy is the murder victim. At the crime scene, Riley still have no
partner; same five-abreast character walk on the opening titles. Yee >>>> does not join Riley in the field.
The girl is a red herring. It's another girl, out of revenge for the >>>> boy, her best friend since they were little, making fake pr0n from a >>>> photograph she had given him showing her curvy (but not catalog model >>>> thin) body in lingerie.
Riley, then Brady, interview the girl separately. With Riley, her father >>>> is present at home and at the precinct interview room. Now, the father, >>>> despite being rich, doesn't hire a lawyer yet. With Brady, the underage >>>> girl IS NOT interviewed with her father. She confesses. You think the >>>> judge will throw it out? You becha, and it should be thrown out.
Nope. She was Mirandized with her father. They declined counsel (for
whatever
reason). After that, there was no legal requirement that anyone be in the >>> room
with her and Brady. The confession would not have been suppressed if the >>> judge
hadn't been a graduate of Law & Order Judicial University, where it's taught
that all judicial rulings must go against the state for plot purposes. >>>
Baxter orders Price to make sure the girl is tried as an adult because >>>> since last week's episode, Price prosecuted a teenage boy and known gang >>>> banger as an adult and it's only fair. Uh, ok.
Yeah, Price even pointed out that the two cases aren't remotely similar and
Baxter was like, okay, but still do it my way.
Price's idiot girlfriend, in the completely unexpected plot twist,
reveals that she's an expert witness for the defense to have her tried >>>> as a juvenile as she's her psychiatrist.
At this point, the audience is infuriated. How exactly was it possible >>>> that the psychiatrist had absolutely no idea of the crime either before >>>> or after the fact?
What are the ethics here? Doesn't Price have to be replaced? It seems >>>> not.
Of course he would. There's no way he could remain the prosecutor in a case
where his girlfriend is a witness. Instant recusal and reassignment. Hell,
that's why they have a second chair in the first place. Maroun should have
taken over the case. But this is Law & Order World where none of these basic
rules are followed. (And would it kill them to occasionally show the eye >>> candy
assistant lawyer do some actual lawyering?)
On a recent episode of the SVU show, the prosecutor even said to a witness,
"You've sat here and listened to all the testimony about sex trafficking and
you're still going to deny it?"
The writers obviously have no clue that in a real trial, witnesses can't sit
in the gallery and listen to testimony from other witnesses. It's a
fundamental rule. But not only do they do it on LAW & ORDER, the prosecutor
*points it out* for the love of gawd!
Given that BTR1701 has repeatedly browbeaten the writers, for once,
defense gives notice of a self defense affirmative defense before trialI >>>> starts.
She was probably reported to the Law & Order Bar Association for an ethical
violation for doing it the right way.
Price waits for his idiot girlfriend to show up to dinner. She does, but >>>> she's very late. Uh, dump her.
I thought for sure she'd dump him for having done his job and not letting a
murderer walk because feelings.
It did not appear that Odelya Halevi was present for the entire
production week. Numerous scenes in the courtroom, Maroun has
disappeared from, with Price sitting in the middle of the prosecution >>>> table.
These shows are operating on a shoestring budget these days. Over on
ORGANIZED
CRIME, Stabler is literally the only detective left in the squad. All the >>> others have disappeared, including the lieutenant/boss, and he just haunts
the
empty bullpen with the deus ex hackina character, who was introduced to the
show last year as an Elon Musk-type tech billionaire, but who has apparently
abandoned all his businesses to sit in an NYPD squad room all day to provide
tech support for Stabler.
ship) years back - about the time Jerry Orbach died - and I don't have
any impression that I'm missing anything other than illegal/unethical
courtroom shenanigans and improbable investigative tactics.
It's sad to see how far Law and Order has fallen. It *used to be* an
intriguing, compelling show back in the early years. I remember being
pleasantly surprised that the most suspenseful episode of television I'd
ever seen at the time - a Hill Street Blues episode where Norm Buntz and
his partner-for-the-day were taken prisoner by a psychopath who was
going to murder them - was written by none other than Dick Wolf. That
was some truly fine writing (and acting).
But that was then and this is now: Wolf has got people to do these
things for him now and, for whatever reason, he's not ensuring that they
write plausibly or well, even though it's his production house and
franchise. You'd think he'd want to avoid tarnishing his name and brand
but that ship sailed a good long while ago.
I gave LAW & ORDER: CANADIA a try last night. I watched the first two episodes
and the most glaring thing that stood out for me is there seems to be very little Order on this show. It's almost all Law.
They consulted with the Crown Prosecutor once, who told them they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest and... that was it. Both episodes, it was all about the cops. No lawyers, no trials, none of it.