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If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the
Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government
has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're
not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly
want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported.
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about
his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that
he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the
Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the
government has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it
has been allowed to happen after years of government indifference.
They're not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary
people clearly want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which
they've imported.
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about
his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that
he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape
charge when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't
think rape was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his
trial: if he had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If".-a One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in
the meantime.
You're obviously not Canadian. Here, just about everyone charged by
police for their latest crime gets additional charges tacked on because
they committed the latest one while out on bail for one or more previous crimes.
In article <10bs7ri$2n5b9$2
@dont-email.me>,
no_offline_contact@example.co
m says...
You're obviously not Canadian. Here, just about everyone charged by
police for their latest crime gets additional charges tacked on because
they committed the latest one while out on bail for one or more previous
crimes.
I have known two different
people who were arrested for
a second DUI without having
yet been sentenced for the
first. You'd think someone
awaiting trial would try to
behave, but I guess human
beings don't work that way.
You're obviously not Canadian. Here, just about everyone charged by
police for their latest crime gets additional charges tacked on because >>they committed the latest one while out on bail for one or more previous >>crimes.
I have known two different
people who were arrested for
a second DUI without having
yet been sentenced for the
first. You'd think someone
awaiting trial would try to
behave, but I guess human
beings don't work that way.
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
no_offline_contact@example.com says...
You're obviously not Canadian. Here, just about everyone charged by
police for their latest crime gets additional charges tacked on because
they committed the latest one while out on bail for one or more previous >>> crimes.
I have known two different
people who were arrested for
a second DUI without having
yet been sentenced for the
first. You'd think someone
awaiting trial would try to
behave, but I guess human
beings don't work that way.
It's not just the fact of acquiring another case whilst on bond. It's
highly likely that the judge granting bond in the first case imposed conditions like no alchohol and no drugs. This means he should be taken
into custody, taken before the judge in the earlier case, them have his
bond revoked. He then must remain detained till sentenced in the earlier case. It will also result in a higher sentence for the earlier case.
It's not just the fact of acquiring another case whilst on bond. It's
highly likely that the judge granting bond in the first case imposed conditions like no alchohol and no drugs. This means he should be taken
into custody, taken before the judge in the earlier case, them have his
bond revoked. He then must remain detained till sentenced in the earlier case. It will also result in a higher sentence for the earlier case.
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the
Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government
has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has >> been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're
not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly
want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported.
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about
his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that
he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge >> when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in
the meantime.
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the
Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government >>> has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has >>> been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're >>> not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly >>> want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported.
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about
his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that >>> he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge >>> when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape >>> was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he >>> had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in
the meantime.
Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has experience dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose job requires them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that rapists don't
just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the rule.
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the
Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government >>>> has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has
been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're >>>> not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly >>>> want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported.
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about >>>> his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that >>>> he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge
when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape >>>> was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he >>>> had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in >>> the meantime.
Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has experience
dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose job requires >> them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that rapists
don't
just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the rule.
Top of the Internet:
"In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony
offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of
their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10 years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing-another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the >>>>> Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government
has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has
been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're
not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly
want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported. >>>>>
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about >>>>> his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that
he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge
when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in >>>> the meantime.
Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has experience >>> dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose job requires
them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that rapists >>> don't
just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the rule.
Top of the Internet:
"In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony
offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of
their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10
years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing-another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
On 10/5/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:Top of the Internet:
On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:
If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the >>>>>> Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the government
has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and how it has
been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. They're
not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary people clearly
want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've imported. >>>>>>
The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite outspoken about
his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now claiming that
he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge
when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge >>>>> pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in
the meantime.
Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has experience >>>> dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose job
requires
them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that rapists
don't
just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the rule. >>>
"In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony
offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of
their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10 >>> years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing-another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
And yet, hindsight still masquerades as wisdom.
On 10/5/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
-a On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>Top of the Internet:
wrote:
-a On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:-a Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has
-a-a-a If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about the >>>>>> -a-a-a Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the >>>>>> government
-a-a-a has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
-a-a-a Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and >>>>>> how it has
-a-a-a been allowed to happen after years of government indifference. >>>>>> They're
-a-a-a not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary
people clearly
-a-a-a want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've
imported.
-a-a-a The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite
outspoken about
-a-a-a his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now
claiming that
-a-a-a he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
-a-a-a The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a >>>>>> rape charge
-a-a-a when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't >>>>>> think rape
-a-a-a was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his
trial: if he
-a-a-a had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
-a "If".-a One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge >>>>> -a pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different
crime in
-a the meantime.
experience
-a dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose job >>>> requires
-a them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that
rapists
don't
-a just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the rule. >>>
-a-a-a-a "In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony
offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of
their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10
years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing-
another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
And yet, hindsight still masquerades as wisdom.
On 2025-10-05 10:22 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 10/5/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:You just refuse to learn from experience, don't you? Far better to
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
-a On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:
-a On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:-a Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has
-a-a-a If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about >>>>>>> the
-a-a-a Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the >>>>>>> government
-a-a-a has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea:
-a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes]
-a-a-a Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and >>>>>>> how it has
-a-a-a been allowed to happen after years of government
indifference. They're
-a-a-a not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary >>>>>>> people clearly
-a-a-a want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've >>>>>>> imported.
-a-a-a The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite
outspoken about
-a-a-a his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now >>>>>>> claiming that
-a-a-a he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
-a-a-a The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a >>>>>>> rape charge
-a-a-a when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't >>>>>>> think rape
-a-a-a was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his >>>>>>> trial: if he
-a-a-a had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
-a "If".-a One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge >>>>>> -a pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different >>>>>> crime in
-a the meantime.
experience
-a dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose
job requires
-a them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that >>>>> rapists
don't
-a just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the
rule.
Top of the Internet:
-a-a-a-a "In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony >>>> offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of
their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10 >>>> years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing-
another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
And yet, hindsight still masquerades as wisdom.
assume that everything will go the way you think it will, regardless of
what we see in the real world, if you're a "progressive"....
On 10/5/2025 11:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-10-05 10:22 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 10/5/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:You just refuse to learn from experience, don't you? Far better to
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
-a On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:
-a On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:-a Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has
-a-a-a If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about >>>>>>>> the
-a-a-a Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the >>>>>>>> government
-a-a-a has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea: >>>>>>>> -a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes] >>>>>>>> -a-a-a Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and >>>>>>>> how it has
-a-a-a been allowed to happen after years of government
indifference. They're
-a-a-a not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary >>>>>>>> people clearly
-a-a-a want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've >>>>>>>> imported.
-a-a-a The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite >>>>>>>> outspoken about
-a-a-a his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now >>>>>>>> claiming that
-a-a-a he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
-a-a-a The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a >>>>>>>> rape charge
-a-a-a when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't >>>>>>>> think rape
-a-a-a was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his >>>>>>>> trial: if he
-a-a-a had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
-a "If".-a One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge >>>>>>> -a pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different >>>>>>> crime in
-a the meantime.
experience
-a dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose >>>>>> job requires
-a them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that >>>>>> rapists
don't
-a just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the >>>>>> rule.
Top of the Internet:
-a-a-a-a "In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony >>>>> offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of >>>>> their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10 >>>>> years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing- >>>>> another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
And yet, hindsight still masquerades as wisdom.
assume that everything will go the way you think it will, regardless of
what we see in the real world, if you're a "progressive"....
The guy was charged -- but NOT convicted -- of *rape*, for which (presumably) bail is not uncommon. However, *you* think the magistrate should've taken into account some anti-Semitism displayed by the guy's *relative*, and inferred a strong likelihood of *terrorism*. That
wouldn't be a judge, that'd be a fortune teller...
On Oct 6, 2025 at 9:17:50 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 11:25 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-10-05 10:22 p.m., moviePig wrote:
On 10/5/2025 7:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:You just refuse to learn from experience, don't you? Far better to
On Oct 5, 2025 at 2:55:06 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 10/5/2025 4:25 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
-a On Oct 4, 2025 at 2:27:34 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:
-a On 10/4/2025 5:03 PM, Rhino wrote:-a Why would one reasonably expect that, especially one who has >>>>>>> experience
-a-a-a If anyone is wondering how people in the UK are feeling about
the
-a-a-a Manchester terrorist attack on the synagogue and the way the >>>>>>>>> government
-a-a-a has responded, this should give you a pretty good idea: >>>>>>>>> -a-a-a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncfNUe-s7ss [10 minutes] >>>>>>>>> -a-a-a Overall, they are furious and frustrated at what happened and
how it has
-a-a-a been allowed to happen after years of government
indifference. They're
-a-a-a not ready to agree on mass deportations yet but ordinary >>>>>>>>> people clearly
-a-a-a want to do SOMETHING to stop the terrorism which they've >>>>>>>>> imported.
-a-a-a The father of the terrorist had apparently been quite >>>>>>>>> outspoken about
-a-a-a his hatred of Israel and Jews on social media but is now >>>>>>>>> claiming that
-a-a-a he's horrified by what his son did in Manchester.
-a-a-a The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a >>>>>>>>> rape charge
-a-a-a when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't >>>>>>>>> think rape
-a-a-a was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his >>>>>>>>> trial: if he
-a-a-a had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
-a "If".-a One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
-a pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different >>>>>>>> crime in
-a the meantime.
-a dealing with criminals and seen their rap sheets? Anyone whose >>>>>>> job requires
-a them to going over the rap sheets of career criminals knows that >>>>>>> rapists
don't
-a just confine themselves to raping. Some do, but it's hardly the >>>>>>> rule.
Top of the Internet:
-a-a-a-a "In the federal court system, a defendant who commits a felony
offense while on pretrial release does not simply face revocation of >>>>>> their bail. Under 18 U.S.C. 3147, they also face up to an additional 10
years in prison if convicted of the underlying felony."
https://www.joshi-law.com/what-happens-if-im-accused-of-committing- >>>>>> another-crime-while-on-pretrial-release/
And yet...
And yet, hindsight still masquerades as wisdom.
assume that everything will go the way you think it will, regardless of >>> what we see in the real world, if you're a "progressive"....
The guy was charged -- but NOT convicted -- of *rape*, for which
(presumably) bail is not uncommon. However, *you* think the magistrate
should've taken into account some anti-Semitism displayed by the guy's
*relative*, and inferred a strong likelihood of *terrorism*. That
wouldn't be a judge, that'd be a fortune teller...
We're just sick of seeing one case after another-- like the girl who was slaughtered on the train in North Carolina-- where the perpetrator has 25 different mugshots for one felony after another and somehow he's still out on the street creating mayhem. When do they learn? When do they say enough is enough?
Oct 6, 2025 at 9:17:50 AM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
The guy was charged -- but NOT convicted -- of *rape*, for which >>(presumably) bail is not uncommon. However, *you* think the magistrate >>should've taken into account some anti-Semitism displayed by the guy's >>*relative*, and inferred a strong likelihood of *terrorism*. That >>wouldn't be a judge, that'd be a fortune teller...
We're just sick of seeing one case after another-- like the girl who was >slaughtered on the train in North Carolina-- where the perpetrator has 25 >different mugshots for one felony after another and somehow he's still out on >the street creating mayhem. When do they learn? When do they say enough is >enough?
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oct 6, 2025 at 9:17:50 AM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
. . .
The guy was charged -- but NOT convicted -- of *rape*, for which
(presumably) bail is not uncommon. However, *you* think the magistrate >>> should've taken into account some anti-Semitism displayed by the guy's
*relative*, and inferred a strong likelihood of *terrorism*. That
wouldn't be a judge, that'd be a fortune teller...
We're just sick of seeing one case after another-- like the girl who was
slaughtered on the train in North Carolina-- where the perpetrator has 25
different mugshots for one felony after another and somehow he's still out on
the street creating mayhem. When do they learn? When do they say enough is >> enough?
Don't get me wrong. moviePig is willfully contributing STOOPID, as
always. The thing is that the terrorist incident may have been the first violation of his bond conditions for the rape charge.
But when did the rape occur? I cannot find a news report. I found this:
Synagogue attacker was on bail for rape - police source
BBC published at 17:51 BST 3 October
Synagogue attacker Jihad Al-Shamie had been arrested for rape
and was on police bail when he carried out the killings in
Manchester, a police source tells BBC News.
Jihad Al-Shamie, 35, was arrested on suspicion of rape. He was
currently on bail at the time of yesterday's attack. He was not
charged with the rape, the source says.
What the hell is "police bail" without charges filed? If the case
doesn't proceed through criminal court, how the hell does the defendant
get sentenced to a prison term?
In my state, yes, before bail reform. there were expedited procedures
for misdemeanor charges in which arraignment is skipped. Police file
charges, not a prosecutor. Charges were literally filed by the desk
sergeant, who makes a decision about cash bail or released on individual recognizance bond. He cannot set bond conditions; these are standard.
But the misdemeanor charge was filed.
As far as when enough is enough, if the person arrested has an open
case, or is on parole or probation (both sentences for felony
convictions), he needs to be taken in front of the judge who set
conditions for release. Depending on whether bond or probation or parole
was violated, then pre-trial confinement for bond conditions violation
or prison for probation or parole violation.
Oct 6, 2025 at 12:19:15 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
. . .
As far as when enough is enough, if the person arrested has an open
case, or is on parole or probation (both sentences for felony
convictions), he needs to be taken in front of the judge who set
conditions for release. Depending on whether bond or probation or parole >>was violated, then pre-trial confinement for bond conditions violation
or prison for probation or parole violation.
The guy in North Carolina *was* taken before a judge for his most recent >crime (which was also a violation of some probation or parole or bail)
and was nevertheless released unconditionally by the judge. A week later >Iryna was bleeding out on a commuter train and he was proudly announcing
to the other passengers, "I got that white girl" while her blood dripped
from his knife.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
Oct 6, 2025 at 12:19:15 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
. . .
As far as when enough is enough, if the person arrested has an open
case, or is on parole or probation (both sentences for felony
convictions), he needs to be taken in front of the judge who set
conditions for release. Depending on whether bond or probation or parole >>> was violated, then pre-trial confinement for bond conditions violation
or prison for probation or parole violation.
The guy in North Carolina *was* taken before a judge for his most recent
crime (which was also a violation of some probation or parole or bail)
and was nevertheless released unconditionally by the judge. A week later
Iryna was bleeding out on a commuter train and he was proudly announcing
to the other passengers, "I got that white girl" while her blood dripped >>from his knife.
He was on multiple bonds for multiple open cases, if I recall
correctly. What I'm saying is that, regardless of whether the judge who
sent bond in the most recent case prior to the murder failed to rule that
he was a danger to society and had to be held in pre-trial confinement,
you'd think he could have been taken before one of the previous judges
who had set bond conditions for a new hearing as to whether he violated
the judge's order.
Why isn't this a matter of routine? If it were, the most cases a
defendant could pick up whilst on bond is one and not a dozen. Pick up
one more case then the judge on the previous case finds that he violated bond.
Who is at fault that this is not a matter of routine, the prosecutor?
As far as a parole or probation violation, does that require a court
hearing or is a finding of violation made administratively? Isn't there always an underlying prison term umder sentence that is not served if
the prisoner complies with conditions?
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge >when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
The son, by the way, turns out to have been out on bail on a rape charge
when he attacked the synagogue. The judge apparently didn't think rape
was a serious enough charge to keep him in jail until his trial: if he
had, the terrorist's victims would still be alive.
"If". One could reasonably expect that someone with a rape charge
pending would be among the *least* prone to commit a different crime in
the meantime.
The guy in North Carolina *was* taken before a judge for his most recent crime >(which was also a violation of some probation or parole or bail) and was >nevertheless released unconditionally by the judge. A week later Iryna was >bleeding out on a commuter train and he was proudly announcing to the other >passengers, "I got that white girl" while her blood dripped from his knife.