• Re: [OT] Hamas official denies killing civilians

    From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 10:48:53 2025
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    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000
    years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years.
    That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people"
    are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball
    had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge
    hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten
    here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with
    only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google 'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages
    involve 1st cousins)
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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 14:11:28 2025
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    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000
    years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years.
    That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people"
    are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball
    had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge
    hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten
    here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with
    only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google 'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper recently talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly, the ability
    of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended family -
    without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    I saw a video the other day where someone interviewed residents of
    Bradford - which has a lot of Pakistanis - about cousin marriage and
    there seemed to be no reservations there about the practice. Mind you,
    most of the interviewees looked like they might be Pakistanis
    themselves. They nearly all came out with some version of the idea that
    people should be free to marry who they liked. And why not: that would
    let them marry freely, either to someone they cared about or to a close relative, and the NHS would always be there to deal with the birth
    defects so that they wouldn't be out of pocket for the consequences of a cousin marriage.
    --
    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 15:13:30 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 10/6/2025 2:11 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000
    years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years.
    That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people"
    are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball
    had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge
    hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten
    here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with
    only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google
    'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages
    involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper recently talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly, the ability
    of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended family -
    without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    I saw a video the other day where someone interviewed residents of
    Bradford - which has a lot of Pakistanis - about cousin marriage and
    there seemed to be no reservations there about the practice. Mind you,
    most of the interviewees looked like they might be Pakistanis
    themselves. They nearly all came out with some version of the idea that people should be free to marry who they liked. And why not: that would
    let them marry freely, either to someone they cared about or to a close relative, and the NHS would always be there to deal with the birth
    defects so that they wouldn't be out of pocket for the consequences of a cousin marriage.

    Otoh, one can be provoked at this interesting claim:

    "However, increased homozygosity increases the probability of fixing beneficial alleles and also slightly decreases the probability of fixing deleterious alleles in a population. Inbreeding can result in purging of deleterious alleles from a population through purifying selection."

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 19:27:22 2025
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    On Oct 6, 2025 at 11:11:28 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000
    years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years. >>> That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people"
    are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball
    had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge
    hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten
    here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with
    only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google
    'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages
    involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper recently talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly, the ability
    of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended family -
    without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    Matt Walsh did a great commentary on this absurdity a few days ago:

    https://youtu.be/7g2l3lneIUU?t=138

    This is what you get when you allow another culture to invade your country and take over. Your government has to start pretending that barbarity is actually
    a benefit to society.

    I saw a video the other day where someone interviewed residents of
    Bradford - which has a lot of Pakistanis - about cousin marriage and
    there seemed to be no reservations there about the practice. Mind you,
    most of the interviewees looked like they might be Pakistanis
    themselves. They nearly all came out with some version of the idea that people should be free to marry who they liked. And why not: that would
    let them marry freely, either to someone they cared about or to a close relative, and the NHS would always be there to deal with the birth
    defects so that they wouldn't be out of pocket for the consequences of a cousin marriage.



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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 16:51:09 2025
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    On 2025-10-06 3:13 p.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/6/2025 2:11 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000
    years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years. >>>> That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people"
    are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball >>>> had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge
    hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten >>>> here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with
    only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google
    'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages
    involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper
    recently talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly,
    the ability of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended
    family - without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    I saw a video the other day where someone interviewed residents of
    Bradford - which has a lot of Pakistanis - about cousin marriage and
    there seemed to be no reservations there about the practice. Mind you,
    most of the interviewees looked like they might be Pakistanis
    themselves. They nearly all came out with some version of the idea
    that people should be free to marry who they liked. And why not: that
    would let them marry freely, either to someone they cared about or to
    a close relative, and the NHS would always be there to deal with the
    birth defects so that they wouldn't be out of pocket for the
    consequences of a cousin marriage.

    Otoh, one can be provoked at this interesting claim:

    -a-a "However, increased homozygosity increases the probability of fixing beneficial alleles and also slightly decreases the probability of fixing deleterious alleles in a population. Inbreeding can result in purging of deleterious alleles from a population through purifying selection."

    -a - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding


    <sarc> I'm sure that will more than compensate for the severe birth
    defects that are observed in significant numbers of the children of
    cousin marriages.</sarc>

    It's amazing how you always come along and defend the reprehensible....
    --
    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 17:00:25 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 10/6/2025 3:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Oct 6, 2025 at 11:11:28 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000 >>>> years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million years. >>>> That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people" >>>> are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball >>>> had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge >>>> hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten >>>> here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with >>> only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google
    'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages >>> involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper recently
    talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly, the ability
    of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended family -
    without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    Matt Walsh did a great commentary on this absurdity a few days ago:

    https://youtu.be/7g2l3lneIUU?t=138

    This is what you get when you allow another culture to invade your country and
    take over. Your government has to start pretending that barbarity is actually a benefit to society.
    ...

    Iirc, America didn't always blanch* at "invasion by other cultures"...

    *'blanch' - make white or pale by extracting color


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Oct 6 18:12:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.tv

    On 10/6/2025 4:51 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-10-06 3:13 p.m., moviePig wrote:
    On 10/6/2025 2:11 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-10-06 1:48 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Fri, 3 Oct 2025 21:54:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I get really annoyed with that whole "settler" mindset. As far as
    science has been able to determine, the Western Hemisphere in its
    entirety did not have a single human being on it until roughly 16,000 >>>>> years ago, whereas humans have been around for roughly 2 million
    years.
    That means that all these "natives"/"aboriginals"/"indigenous people" >>>>> are all settlers too: they just came a little earlier. And if the ball >>>>> had bounced a little differently, we might have been settled by
    Europeans or Africans first. For instance, if the Bering land bridge >>>>> hadn't formed, Europeans crossing the North Atlantic might have gotten >>>>> here before the Asians did.

    Don't even get me going on "land acknowledgements"! (Guess how I know
    what the native groups are in Hamilton, ON even though I live 2500
    miles away - but then I'm pretty sure I've mentioned my alma mater
    here previously...can you spell "fingernails scraping on a
    blackboard"?) I get especially annoyed when Metis groups are also
    listed.

    Bottom line is I'm a mongrel as was my late wife - each of us from 4
    separate European nationalities all within the last 5 generations with >>>> only one in common so our kids have 7. This is not of course anything
    she or I had anything personally to do with and frankly inbreeding is
    a problem in all kinds of communities both aboriginal and not (Google
    'inbreeding in UK Pakistanis" - where something like 30+% of marriages >>>> involve 1st cousins)

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper
    recently talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly,
    the ability of those marriages to keep more wealth within the
    extended family - without (as far as I can tell) warning of the
    immense medical consequences of cousin marriage.

    I saw a video the other day where someone interviewed residents of
    Bradford - which has a lot of Pakistanis - about cousin marriage and
    there seemed to be no reservations there about the practice. Mind
    you, most of the interviewees looked like they might be Pakistanis
    themselves. They nearly all came out with some version of the idea
    that people should be free to marry who they liked. And why not: that
    would let them marry freely, either to someone they cared about or to
    a close relative, and the NHS would always be there to deal with the
    birth defects so that they wouldn't be out of pocket for the
    consequences of a cousin marriage.

    Otoh, one can be provoked at this interesting claim:

    -a-a-a "However, increased homozygosity increases the probability of
    fixing beneficial alleles and also slightly decreases the probability
    of fixing deleterious alleles in a population. Inbreeding can result
    in purging of deleterious alleles from a population through purifying
    selection."

    -a-a - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

    <sarc> I'm sure that will more than compensate for the severe birth
    defects that are observed in significant numbers of the children of
    cousin marriages.</sarc>

    It's amazing how you always come along and defend the reprehensible....

    Well, *someone* has to look east, west, and south, if only to fortify
    your faith in True North.

    Meanwhile, your use of 'defend' and 'reprehensible' is 'creative'...


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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 7 00:20:58 2025
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    On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 14:11:28 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Have you heard that the NHS in Britain actually put out a paper recently >talking about the *advantages* of cousin marriage - chiefly, the ability
    of those marriages to keep more wealth within the extended family -
    without (as far as I can tell) warning of the immense medical
    consequences of cousin marriage.

    Hey! I could have married my cousin and there wouldn't even be a
    genetic risk as my aunt was adopted. (All told, despite how my
    marriage ended, I prefer my late wife much as I badly miss her - and
    given no member of my wife's family lives more than 200 miles from
    Rhino in Ontario no genetic risk either...)
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 7 00:29:02 2025
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    On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 15:13:30 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    "However, increased homozygosity increases the probability of fixing
    beneficial alleles and also slightly decreases the probability of fixing >deleterious alleles in a population. Inbreeding can result in purging of >deleterious alleles from a population through purifying selection."

    Well sure - if there are no genetic defects (most of which require
    getting the gene from each parent which is why incest is a bad thing)
    there's no reason why cousin marriage is such a bad thing - after all,
    Charles Darwin's parents were cousins and none of his clan were
    victims of any genetic disease.

    The Darwin part is true but amongst the UK Pakistanis they mostly come
    from the same small towns meaning that there's a better chance that
    the parents of the cousin parents were also related (which seems not
    to be the case in the Darwin family.

    The worst part in my family was one couple where his blood was A+
    whereas hers was O- - which a generation ago would have meant they
    would have been told to have only one child but is now neutralized
    with shots before and after after each child - and in this particular
    family all three children were A+. Had it been the other way around
    (e.g. father O-, mother A+) it would have been a non issue since Mom's
    body would not have produced the anti-bodies that cause fetal damage.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 7 00:31:31 2025
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    On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 18:12:01 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Well, *someone* has to look east, west, and south, if only to fortify
    your faith in True North.

    Meanwhile, your use of 'defend' and 'reprehensible' is 'creative'...

    In fairness the "grognards" (the old-timers - this is what Napoleon
    called the men of the Old Guard - which all alumni of
    soc.history.what-if would have learned) know when Rhino is being
    serious and when he's being sarcastic.
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Tue Oct 7 00:33:07 2025
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    On Mon, 6 Oct 2025 19:27:22 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    Matt Walsh did a great commentary on this absurdity a few days ago:

    https://youtu.be/7g2l3lneIUU?t=138

    This is what you get when you allow another culture to invade your country and >take over. Your government has to start pretending that barbarity is actually >a benefit to society.

    Particularly when the government in power is counting on Muslim votes
    - particularly Pakistani Muslim votes - as their most committed voters
    when they next go to the people (probably 2029)
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