• Re: anti-ICE protest v. concealed carry

    From Adam H. Kerman@ahk@chinet.com to rec.arts.tv on Wed Oct 8 22:51:35 2025
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    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Do we have a gun rights violation here?

    A couple routinely carry pistols. They are complying with state law,
    holding both FOID cards and concealed carry permits. Note that my state
    was one of the earliest states to require ID for firearms and the very
    last to pass a law on requiring a permit for concealed carry. Concealed
    carry was handled as stupidly as possible. Instead of making it an
    amendment to FOID, applications are handled by a separate set of clerks
    in the State Police administrative back office. There have been
    criminals who have had one permit pulled but not the other and innocent
    gun owners constructively denied due process because of processing
    delays and errors.

    Back to the couple. They joined the protest outside the ICE facility in >Broadview. ICE agents, from the roof, are routinely firing pepper balls
    into the crowds of protestors. It's not necessarily to get them to back
    away from gates, but as punishment. The pepper mist is making neighbors >miserable who have nothing to do with protests.

    In this case, ICE was trying to widen the perimeter, probably to move >vehicles in and out.

    As one of the protestors, the husband refused to back up. When an agent >shoved him, he shoved back. Now he's being held in detention. Why? The >concealed weapon. Neither he nor the wife were charged with federal gun >crimes and neither drew a weapon. Both are charged with resisting and >unlawful assault on a federal officer. The wife is out on bond. I don't >understand the light handed treatment for the wife.

    Prosecutors are throwing the book at them. The judge was horrified that
    a man, who lives in a bad neighborhood in Chicago, who routinely carries
    a gun, would carry it while protesting.

    Trump is using the fact that this couple was armed as part of his
    rhetoric justifying the request for deployment of National Guard troops
    to protect federal facilities because federal agents are in danger.

    What gives?

    Either firearms are to be carried as a routine of daily life by people
    who aren't carrying, intending to commit a violent crime, or the
    individual liberty protected as a civil right in the Second Amendment
    has no meaning.

    Why is the Trump administration not being hypocritical here by arguing
    that the man is too dangerous for bond, and justifies troops? Why did
    the magistrate go along with prosecutors that "dangerous because gun"
    and not "dangerous because he committed a violent act with gun"?

    I'm so confused.

    https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/09/29/feds-charge-four-following-ice-protests-in-broadview-including-2-carrying-guns-with-lawful-permits

    Grand jury refuses to indict.

    Feds Had 'Less Evidence Than A Ham Sandwich' In Dismissed Armed
    Protester Case, Lawyer Says
    by Stephen Montemayor
    Block Club Chicago
    10/8/2025 https://blockclubchicago.org/2025/10/08/feds-had-less-evidence-than-a-ham-sandwich-in-dismissed-armed-protester-case-lawyer-says/
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