• [OT] Why the Canadian justice system needs major revisions

    From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 25 17:03:53 2025
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 25 21:32:47 2025
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    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring the courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions are good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a court of any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or not, it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, of all people, would know that.


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  • From Rhino@no_offline_contact@example.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 25 17:40:11 2025
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    On 2025-08-25 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian
    judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring the courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions are good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a court of any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or not, it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, of all people, would know that.


    According to the video, at least one of our Supreme Court justices,
    Suzanne Cote, has been quite outspoken in her dissents from rulings of
    the activist justices but this doesn't seem to have much effect because
    the activists appear to be in the majority.

    Other parts of the judiciary seem to be developing very thin skins about
    any form of criticism. Lilley and Goldstein deliver strong defences of
    the right of people in a democracy to question the wisdom of decisions
    made by our judges.
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    Rhino
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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Mon Aug 25 18:01:32 2025
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    On 8/25/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian
    judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring the courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions are good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a court of any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or not, it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, of all people, would know that.

    If Trump's ignoring the courts, imprecise vocabulary is the least
    important threat warranting concern.


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  • From Thomas Gerald Moog@moo55@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 00:20:26 2025
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    Canadians should have the right to shoot Trump supporters as they are a
    threat to sovereignty.
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  • From Amy Hamm@amyhammrs@symV.net to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 00:57:44 2025
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    Rhino wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian >judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.


    One-sided tripe from a pair of right wing activist buffoons. Typical of the American owned Toronto Sun.
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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 16:11:09 2025
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    On Aug 25, 2025 at 3:01:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian
    judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring >> the
    courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions are >> good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a court of
    any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or
    not,
    it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, of all
    people, would know that.

    If Trump's ignoring the courts, imprecise vocabulary is the least
    important threat warranting concern.

    What's amazing to me is how worked up the Left has suddenly gotten about someone saying "So what?" to a law or procedure. We've been living in a state of official "so what?" with regard to law and order for the better part of a decade now.

    Millions of illegals flood the country in contravention of dozens of laws and regulations and court rulings and the government says, "So what?"

    Vagrant encampments infest our streets, sidewalks, parks, and beaches, against dozens of state and local laws and the government says, "So what?"

    If you get assaulted or your house broken into, the government says, "So
    what?" and just tells you to fill out a report on the internet. Doesn't even send a cop around to take the report, let alone investigate anything.

    Cartels set up networks of open drug sales and human trafficking on our city streets and the government says, "So what?"

    When leftist 'protesters' stream onto freeways and block them for hours to
    rant about their cause du jour, the government just stands there and watches and says, "So what?"

    Hundreds of homeowners report that dry brush hasn't been cleared as required
    by state law and the government says, "So what?" Even after ten thousand homes go up in flames and 19 people die, the government says, "So what?"

    A federal court finds $31 billion in COVID relief money wasn't just misspent, it disappeared completely. No one knows where it went, and the government
    says, "So what?" Same thing with $24 billion in vagrant money. Another "So what?"

    Whether we're the victims of criminal law-breaking or the government's own law-breaking, at every turn we're met with a collective shrug from the government. Well, fine. If "so what?" is the response to everything else of consequence, then okay, we'll play your game and just say "so what?" when Trump's ICE ignores a bunch of leftist jurists on the 9th Circuit when
    rounding up illegals at the Home Depot. It's not like they turn out to be wrong. They *are* illegals, after all.

    'Progressive' Democrats ushered in the era of "so what?" government. These are their rules. We're just playing by them.


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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 16:45:55 2025
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    On 8/26/2025 12:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 3:01:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/25/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian >>>> judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to
    democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than >>>> the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire >>>> laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring >>> the
    courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions are
    good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'. >>>
    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a court of
    any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or >>> not,
    it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, of all
    people, would know that.

    If Trump's ignoring the courts, imprecise vocabulary is the least
    important threat warranting concern.

    What's amazing to me is how worked up the Left has suddenly gotten about someone saying "So what?" to a law or procedure. We've been living in a state of official "so what?" with regard to law and order for the better part of a decade now.

    Millions of illegals flood the country in contravention of dozens of laws and regulations and court rulings and the government says, "So what?"

    Vagrant encampments infest our streets, sidewalks, parks, and beaches, against
    dozens of state and local laws and the government says, "So what?"

    If you get assaulted or your house broken into, the government says, "So what?" and just tells you to fill out a report on the internet. Doesn't even send a cop around to take the report, let alone investigate anything.

    Cartels set up networks of open drug sales and human trafficking on our city streets and the government says, "So what?"

    When leftist 'protesters' stream onto freeways and block them for hours to rant about their cause du jour, the government just stands there and watches and says, "So what?"

    Hundreds of homeowners report that dry brush hasn't been cleared as required by state law and the government says, "So what?" Even after ten thousand homes
    go up in flames and 19 people die, the government says, "So what?"

    A federal court finds $31 billion in COVID relief money wasn't just misspent, it disappeared completely. No one knows where it went, and the government says, "So what?" Same thing with $24 billion in vagrant money. Another "So what?"

    Whether we're the victims of criminal law-breaking or the government's own law-breaking, at every turn we're met with a collective shrug from the government. Well, fine. If "so what?" is the response to everything else of consequence, then okay, we'll play your game and just say "so what?" when Trump's ICE ignores a bunch of leftist jurists on the 9th Circuit when rounding up illegals at the Home Depot. It's not like they turn out to be wrong. They *are* illegals, after all.

    'Progressive' Democrats ushered in the era of "so what?" government. These are
    their rules. We're just playing by them.

    The biggest danger of such 'whataboutism' is its junk-food substitution
    for a meaningful look at what's going on.

    Fact: legislatures blithely pass far more laws than the known universe
    has the resources to prosecute. For that reason (and probably a dozen
    others) there'll always be selective enforcement of them. Consequently,
    we have to save our outrage for when that "selectivity" is actually a
    flagrant attempt to overwrite policy, and not for when it's, say, a
    matter of expedience (like not arresting a thousand jaywalkers).

    I submit that the Jan 6 protests were such an attempt at the highest,
    most alarming and precedent-setting level, and that the hypothetical
    you've offered here of "Trump ignoring the courts" evinces the same
    usurping of power -- less a "So what?" than a "So there!".


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  • From BTR1701@atropos@mac.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 21:32:00 2025
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    On Aug 26, 2025 at 1:45:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2025 12:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 3:01:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 8/25/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian >>>>> judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to >>>>> democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than >>>>> the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire >>>>> laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring
    the
    courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions >>>> are
    good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a >>>> court of
    any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or
    not,
    it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, >>>> of all
    people, would know that.

    If Trump's ignoring the courts, imprecise vocabulary is the least
    important threat warranting concern.

    What's amazing to me is how worked up the Left has suddenly gotten about
    someone saying "So what?" to a law or procedure. We've been living in a
    state
    of official "so what?" with regard to law and order for the better part of a
    decade now.

    Millions of illegals flood the country in contravention of dozens of laws >> and
    regulations and court rulings and the government says, "So what?"

    Vagrant encampments infest our streets, sidewalks, parks, and beaches,
    against
    dozens of state and local laws and the government says, "So what?"

    If you get assaulted or your house broken into, the government says, "So
    what?" and just tells you to fill out a report on the internet. Doesn't even
    send a cop around to take the report, let alone investigate anything.

    Cartels set up networks of open drug sales and human trafficking on our city
    streets and the government says, "So what?"

    When leftist 'protesters' stream onto freeways and block them for hours to >> rant about their cause du jour, the government just stands there and watches
    and says, "So what?"

    Hundreds of homeowners report that dry brush hasn't been cleared as required
    by state law and the government says, "So what?" Even after ten thousand
    homes
    go up in flames and 19 people die, the government says, "So what?"

    A federal court finds $31 billion in COVID relief money wasn't just
    misspent,
    it disappeared completely. No one knows where it went, and the government >> says, "So what?" Same thing with $24 billion in vagrant money. Another "So >> what?"

    Whether we're the victims of criminal law-breaking or the government's own >> law-breaking, at every turn we're met with a collective shrug from the
    government. Well, fine. If "so what?" is the response to everything else of >> consequence, then okay, we'll play your game and just say "so what?" when >> Trump's ICE ignores a bunch of leftist jurists on the 9th Circuit when
    rounding up illegals at the Home Depot. It's not like they turn out to be >> wrong. They *are* illegals, after all.

    'Progressive' Democrats ushered in the era of "so what?" government. These >> are
    their rules. We're just playing by them.

    The biggest danger of such 'whataboutism' is its junk-food substitution
    for a meaningful look at what's going on.

    Fact: legislatures blithely pass far more laws than the known universe
    has the resources to prosecute.

    One need only go back 15 years or so to find that most, if not all, of the stuff I listed above *was* prosecuted, enforced, or addressed. Your excuse
    that "there's just too many laws so we have to ignore a lot of them" is nonsense.

    For that reason (and probably a dozen
    others) there'll always be selective enforcement of them. Consequently,
    we have to save our outrage for when that "selectivity" is actually a flagrant attempt to overwrite policy, and not for when it's, say, a
    matter of expedience (like not arresting a thousand jaywalkers).

    I submit that the Jan 6 protests were such an attempt at the highest,
    most alarming and precedent-setting level, and that the hypothetical
    you've offered here of "Trump ignoring the courts" evinces the same
    usurping of power -- less a "So what?" than a "So there!".



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  • From moviePig@nobody@nowhere.com to rec.arts.tv on Tue Aug 26 18:04:20 2025
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    On 8/26/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 26, 2025 at 1:45:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2025 12:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 3:01:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/25/2025 5:32 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 25, 2025 at 2:03:53 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge4IloOloas [13 minutes]

    Journalists Brian Lilley and Lorrie Goldstein explore how the Canadian
    judiciary is denouncing criticisms of its decisions as threats to >>>>>> democracy. They also look at how hypothetical situations, rather than
    the situations in the case at hand, are being used to toss out entire
    laws by our judges.

    This is like the constant mantra of the leftists who claim Trump ignoring
    the
    courts is a threat to democracy.

    Democracy has nothing to do with the judiciary. Whether Trump's actions
    are
    good or bad or something in between, they have no effect on 'democracy'.

    Democracy is one person, one vote, majority rules. Where is there a >>>>> court of
    any kind in there anywhere?

    Same thing with Canadia. Whether people are criticizing the judiciary or
    not,
    it has fuck-all to do with democracy. You'd think a bunch of jurists, >>>>> of all
    people, would know that.

    If Trump's ignoring the courts, imprecise vocabulary is the least
    important threat warranting concern.

    What's amazing to me is how worked up the Left has suddenly gotten about >>> someone saying "So what?" to a law or procedure. We've been living in a >>> state
    of official "so what?" with regard to law and order for the better part of a
    decade now.

    Millions of illegals flood the country in contravention of dozens of laws >>> and
    regulations and court rulings and the government says, "So what?"

    Vagrant encampments infest our streets, sidewalks, parks, and beaches, >>> against
    dozens of state and local laws and the government says, "So what?"

    If you get assaulted or your house broken into, the government says, "So >>> what?" and just tells you to fill out a report on the internet. Doesn't even
    send a cop around to take the report, let alone investigate anything.

    Cartels set up networks of open drug sales and human trafficking on our city
    streets and the government says, "So what?"

    When leftist 'protesters' stream onto freeways and block them for hours to
    rant about their cause du jour, the government just stands there and watches
    and says, "So what?"

    Hundreds of homeowners report that dry brush hasn't been cleared as required
    by state law and the government says, "So what?" Even after ten thousand >>> homes
    go up in flames and 19 people die, the government says, "So what?"

    A federal court finds $31 billion in COVID relief money wasn't just
    misspent,
    it disappeared completely. No one knows where it went, and the government >>> says, "So what?" Same thing with $24 billion in vagrant money. Another "So
    what?"

    Whether we're the victims of criminal law-breaking or the government's own
    law-breaking, at every turn we're met with a collective shrug from the >>> government. Well, fine. If "so what?" is the response to everything else of
    consequence, then okay, we'll play your game and just say "so what?" when >>> Trump's ICE ignores a bunch of leftist jurists on the 9th Circuit when >>> rounding up illegals at the Home Depot. It's not like they turn out to be >>> wrong. They *are* illegals, after all.

    'Progressive' Democrats ushered in the era of "so what?" government. These
    are
    their rules. We're just playing by them.

    The biggest danger of such 'whataboutism' is its junk-food substitution
    for a meaningful look at what's going on.

    Fact: legislatures blithely pass far more laws than the known universe
    has the resources to prosecute.

    One need only go back 15 years or so to find that most, if not all, of the stuff I listed above *was* prosecuted, enforced, or addressed. Your excuse that "there's just too many laws so we have to ignore a lot of them" is nonsense.

    Not an "excuse", a simple recognition that perfection's impossible.


    For that reason (and probably a dozen
    others) there'll always be selective enforcement of them. Consequently,
    we have to save our outrage for when that "selectivity" is actually a
    flagrant attempt to overwrite policy, and not for when it's, say, a
    matter of expedience (like not arresting a thousand jaywalkers).

    I submit that the Jan 6 protests were such an attempt at the highest,
    most alarming and precedent-setting level, and that the hypothetical
    you've offered here of "Trump ignoring the courts" evinces the same
    usurping of power -- less a "So what?" than a "So there!".


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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.tv on Wed Aug 27 21:58:11 2025
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    On Tue, 26 Aug 2025 16:11:09 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    If you get assaulted or your house broken into, the government says, "So >what?" and just tells you to fill out a report on the internet. Doesn't even >send a cop around to take the report, let alone investigate anything.

    I've never had either of those but HAVE had vandals letting off Roman
    candles against my 2nd storey living room windows at 1 am on a
    Saturday night and despite my pleas of "they're still here and have
    just let off another one! If you hot foot it over here you can catch
    them red-handed!" and their only response was to send a rookie cop who
    looked barely old enough to drive around the next morning to collect
    "evidence" (in this case the paper wrappers from the Roman candles and
    to assign me a case #) I of course made a point of telling the
    sergeant in charge what I thought of their non-response to a situation
    that could have resulted in setting my home on fire.
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