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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <mfs6p6Freo3U3@mid.individual.net>, me@privacy.invalid wrote:
On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 11:25:31 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:
Actually, I always wondered why no one is fat in Star Trek, considering >>> their sedementary lifestyle.
The replicator provides low calories?
Holodeck food?
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you should just die when you walked outside.
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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
In article <mfs6p6Freo3U3@mid.individual.net>, me@privacy.invalid wrote: >>>> On Sat, 09 Aug 2025 11:25:31 -0400, Ubiquitous wrote:
Actually, I always wondered why no one is fat in Star Trek, considering >>>>> their sedementary lifestyle.
The replicator provides low calories?
Holodeck food?
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live >> indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it >> went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
That implies... hmm, I think it implies that the crew are being
converted to virtual avatars when they enter the holodeck. Perhaps it
also works the other way, which is how the holodeck creations can occasionally escape and materialize.
Sounds crazy, but is it that far removed from transporter technology?
That also converts matter into a virtual representation and back again.
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
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VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it >> went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you >> should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that it would kill you.
Then they had an episode where they were running out of food, but itdidn?t
occur to anybody to just go into the Irish pub holodeck program and eat and drink all you want.
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it >>>> went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you >>>> should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that >> it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air,
four days without water, forty days without food."
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came
out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
Then they had an episode where they were running out of food, but itdidn?t
occur to anybody to just go into the Irish pub holodeck program and eat and >> drink all you want.
...but then there's that.
Perhaps time moves differently on the holodeck? Do we know for sure that
the people inside for weeks were gone from the outside for weeks?
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air,
four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply outside the holo deck
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air,
four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came
out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply >> outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
Verily, in article <MPG.43050ba5768f1a8d9897d7@news.eternal-
september.org>, did thetruemelissa@gmail.com deliver unto us this
message:
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cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on
imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply >>> outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending
a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
All the food replicators need is power. They donrCOt rearrange molecules. They just use power to make something out of nothing.
However, the food replicators use a different kind of power than anything else uses. The holodecks run on a different kind of power than the food replicators do. They canrCOt make real food.
IrCOm not sure how many different kinds of power Voyager requires, but they very definitely established that food replicator power is different than anything else on the ship.
All the food replicators need is power. They don?t rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.
On Aug 12, 2025 at 12:13:13 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability, >>> but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
All the food replicators need is power. They donrCOt rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.
However, the food replicators use a different kind of power than anything
else uses. The holodecks run on a different kind of power than the food
replicators do. They canrCOt make real food.
IrCOm not sure how many different kinds of power Voyager requires, but they >> very definitely established that food replicator power is different than
anything else on the ship.
Food replicator power is artificial. The rest of the ship runs on natural power.
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All the food replicators need is power. They don?t rearrange molecules.
They just use power to make something out of nothing.
Well, that's certainly insane. The amount of energy needed to
materialize even a piece of toast... yeesh. They're probably using more energy on each evening's dinner than on warping around the galaxy.
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
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september.org>, did thetruemelissa@gmail.com deliver unto us this
message:
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Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are
living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability,
but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending
a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.
If only the voyager rCLwritersrCY had put this much effort into the show.
On 8/12/2025 12:13 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
Verily, in article <MPG.43050ba5768f1a8d9897d7@news.eternal-
september.org>, did thetruemelissa@gmail.com deliver unto us this
message:
Verily, in article <165840835.776667635.718336.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <392916302.776642579.774871.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
Verily, in article <635212760.776606512.130859.anim8rfsk-
cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>>>> message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without >>>>>> food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are >>>>> living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability, >>>> but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending
a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.
If only the voyager rCLwritersrCY had put this much effort into the show.
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.
Yes, it really was that stupid.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 8/12/2025 12:13 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
Verily, in article <MPG.43050ba5768f1a8d9897d7@news.eternal-
september.org>, did thetruemelissa@gmail.com deliver unto us this
message:
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cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
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cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this >>>>>>> message:
Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
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cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
message:
VOYAGER never did get that right. They had a holo deck where you could live
indefinitely on imaginary food and drink, and yet they established that it
went away when you exited. So if you were in the holo deck very long, you
should just die when you walked outside.
So... you could stay in the holodeck for a year and just live on >>>>>>>>> imaginary food? Did something like this actually happen?
Not a year, but probably weeks and certainly several days, long enough that
it would kill you.
Several days wouldn't kill you. People can live at least a month without
food, on average. The old rule I recall is "four minutes without air, >>>>>>> four days without water, forty days without food."
Good point. They presumably aren?t having real water either. They are >>>>>> living off of imaginary beer and pub food made of hard light.
Several weeks might. At the least, you'd show some signs when you came >>>>>>> out. If not, the holofood must be providing real nourishment.
And yet they don?t use it when they?re having problems with the food supply
outside the holo deck
Maybe it's real food. The holodeck could have food replication ability, >>>>> but it would need the same supplies as other replicators.
No, wait, I've got it. It's a configurable option. You can have hard
light food when you want to pig out on steak and chocolate without
consequences, but have real food when you and your friends are spending >>>> a whole weekend climbing a fake mountain.
If only the voyager rCLwritersrCY had put this much effort into the show. >>>
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.
Yes, it really was that stupid.
I think that qualifies me for Holodeck ice cream.
Judges?
As I recall "Holodeck energy" was different than all the other energy
the ship used, so replicators in the holodeck weren't possible.
Yes, it really was that stupid.