• Re: All-Male Species? (was Re: What Did You Watch?)

    From Melissa Hollingsworth@thetruemelissa@gmail.com to rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc on Wed Aug 6 13:00:22 2025
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    Verily, in article <10709vh$3iuai$1@dont-email.me>, did ahk@chinet.com
    deliver unto us this message:

    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    weberm@polaris.net deliver unto us this message:
    ahk@chinet.com wrote:
    Melissa Hollingsworth <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>weberm@polaris.net wrote:

    THE INSIDIOUS REALITY OF STARFLEET ACADEMY'S HALF JEM'HADAR:
    Star Trek and Alex Kurtzman aren't just putting int a half Jem'Hadar into
    Starfleet Academy to stir controversy of the character itself, but the >>>>>actress Gina Yashere is meant to subert culture. >>>>>https://youtu.be/RSwaTnxuvRk?si=joe_yYqXNjiWlPkM

    According to Memory Alpha, there was a line of dialogue in the Deep >>>Space Nine episode "To the Death" that they are all males, but "male" is >>>a sexual characteristic. If the species cannot reproduce, then there are >>>no males.

    Yes, the writer was stupid.

    Well... they're masculine, so doesn't that make them male?

    IMO, they have traits humans categorize as masculine. The word means "of >or relating to males" at its core, so it doesn't have much meaning out
    of a sexed context.

    I still don't agree. Human masculine characteristics -- ability to fight
    and protect to be appealing to women -- still exist for the purpose of reproduction and successfully raising children, the literal goal of
    raising children. As the Jem'Hadar cannot reproduce and do not raise children, their fighting ability was in service to the Dominion and was
    not a masculine characteristic.

    Besides, there are plenty of examples in the animal kingdom in which
    females may fight, especially to protect the young. Human male and
    female characterists translate poorly onto other species.

    I go back to my earlier observation that television writers are stupid.

    It sounds like you *do* agree. The whole idea doesn't make sense for the Jem'Hadar.

    Yet another odd thing about the Star Trek universe was how closely
    analogous most species are to humans. Almost all of them came in male
    and female.

    This probably had a lot to do with the need to have most aliens played
    by human actors. TNG had a planet which was supposed to be all nonbinary hermaphrodites, and all of them were played by women.
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