• New weapon unveiled.

    From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 14:02:49 2025
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    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a
    piece of cake.

    bliss- plasma rifles in atmosphere coming soon...
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 17:23:01 2025
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    In article <10bhghp$3ulr0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here ><https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a
    piece of cake.

    What we need is a Disinto that can operate off a pair of flashight batteries. --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 14:36:44 2025
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    On 9/30/25 14:23, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <10bhghp$3ulr0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a >> piece of cake.

    What we need is a Disinto that can operate off a pair of flashight batteries. --scott

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    I am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma drill.

    bliss
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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 21:44:28 2025
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    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:


    On 9/30/25 14:23, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <10bhghp$3ulr0$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a >>> piece of cake.

    What we need is a Disinto that can operate off a pair of flashight batteries.
    --scott

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever
    that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    It's not a plasma drill.

    https://news.mit.edu/2022/quaise-energy-geothermal-0628
    https://www.quaise.com/

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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 18:54:00 2025
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    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    On 9/30/25 14:23, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    What we need is a Disinto that can operate off a pair of flashight batteries.

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever
    that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    cf. "Robot AL-56 Goes Astray" by Asimov.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 17:28:05 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a
    piece of cake.

    Easy - just make sure the attacker's aircraft is in front of your
    plasma drill and stays there for long enough, preferably on the ground. Otherwise it could get difficult.

    And if some guards come and ask what you're doing, tell them
    you're doing important maintenance work, it's all very secret
    and they could escape punishment for asking by just quietly
    walking away.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 10:46:51 2025
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    On 10/1/25 10:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a >> piece of cake.

    Easy - just make sure the attacker's aircraft is in front of your
    plasma drill and stays there for long enough, preferably on the ground. Otherwise it could get difficult.

    And if some guards come and ask what you're doing, tell them
    you're doing important maintenance work, it's all very secret
    and they could escape punishment for asking by just quietly
    walking away.


    Well you look at what we have today and extrapolate not a bit.
    Remember when computers were kept in special rooms?
    When an IBM official said that that 6 computers were enough?

    Now when I look at the device today the plasma drill I extrapolate
    to what it may be in sufficient time. Just like the computers I have here which are laptops with many times the power and abilities of those
    room sized computers and how many of them are in use for how many
    activities. Mere extrapolation which I learned to do in the 1950s on
    slide rules. Oh and I read a lot of SF as well in the last 82 years since
    I learned to read.

    bliss - living in a better future for all that time and we end up with Trump
    PHOO!

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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 18:04:20 2025
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    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:


    On 10/1/25 10:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a >>> piece of cake.

    Easy - just make sure the attacker's aircraft is in front of your
    plasma drill and stays there for long enough, preferably on the ground.
    Otherwise it could get difficult.

    And if some guards come and ask what you're doing, tell them
    you're doing important maintenance work, it's all very secret
    and they could escape punishment for asking by just quietly
    walking away.


    Well you look at what we have today and extrapolate not a bit.
    Remember when computers were kept in special rooms?

    Computers as an example is a bit misleading - they progressed
    by many orders of magnitude by miniaturization.

    Using your argument, one would expect cars to exceed the speed of
    light, if they had gotten faster by the same factor as computers.

    The problem with plasma beams is that they spread, and because
    they are hot, they give off a lot of energy via radiation.
    If you can keep your plasma source close (as in inches) to
    where you want to put the energy, fine. Long distance, moving
    target: No.

    When an IBM official said that that 6 computers were enough?

    Misquoted originally, and you misquoted the misquote.

    Now when I look at the device today the plasma drill I extrapolate
    to what it may be in sufficient time. Just like the computers I have here which are laptops with many times the power and abilities of those
    room sized computers and how many of them are in use for how many
    activities.

    Be sure to tell me when your car exceeds light speed.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 11:30:13 2025
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    On 10/1/25 11:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:


    On 10/1/25 10:28, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    Well remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here
    <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday-Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    If it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a >>>> piece of cake.

    Easy - just make sure the attacker's aircraft is in front of your
    plasma drill and stays there for long enough, preferably on the ground.
    Otherwise it could get difficult.

    And if some guards come and ask what you're doing, tell them
    you're doing important maintenance work, it's all very secret
    and they could escape punishment for asking by just quietly
    walking away.


    Well you look at what we have today and extrapolate not a bit.
    Remember when computers were kept in special rooms?

    Computers as an example is a bit misleading - they progressed
    by many orders of magnitude by miniaturization.

    Using your argument, one would expect cars to exceed the speed of
    light, if they had gotten faster by the same factor as computers.

    Automobiles using IC engines were already a mature technology when
    I was born. Due to technological refinements of all sorts land speed records went up but only with highway improvement of the autobahn sort did
    the speed of the average use increase. But that was obviated when the
    highways became clogged a couple of times each day.

    The problem with plasma beams is that they spread, and because
    they are hot, they give off a lot of energy via radiation.
    If you can keep your plasma source close (as in inches) to
    where you want to put the energy, fine. Long distance, moving
    target: No.

    When an IBM official said that that 6 computers were enough?

    Misquoted originally, and you misquoted the misquote.

    Now when I look at the device today the plasma drill I extrapolate
    to what it may be in sufficient time. Just like the computers I have here >> which are laptops with many times the power and abilities of those
    room sized computers and how many of them are in use for how many
    activities.

    Be sure to tell me when your car exceeds light speed.

    I gave up automobile ownership quite some years ago when
    I became unable to work for a living. A bit later i gave up use
    of my motorcycle because it was no longer possible to park it securely. Accessories kept getting stolen or damaged if they resisted the
    thieves.

    Your remark is facetious and meant to put me down but I
    don't much care, Koenig. You are still unimaginative.

    bliss


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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 19:07:18 2025
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    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:

    On 10/1/25 11:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Apart from the computer hyperbole, you failed to reply to this:

    The problem with plasma beams is that they spread, and because
    they are hot, they give off a lot of energy via radiation.
    If you can keep your plasma source close (as in inches) to
    where you want to put the energy, fine. Long distance, moving
    target: No.

    ... because physics is saying plasma beams don't work over long
    distances, and no amount of drawing ridiculous analogies to
    computers will help.
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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 18:03:28 2025
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    On Oct 1, 2025, Thomas Koenig wrote
    (in article <10bju56$i3g2$1@dont-email.me>):

    Bobbie Sellers<bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:

    On 10/1/25 11:04, Thomas Koenig wrote:

    Apart from the computer hyperbole, you failed to reply to this:

    The problem with plasma beams is that they spread, and because
    they are hot, they give off a lot of energy via radiation.
    If you can keep your plasma source close (as in inches) to
    where you want to put the energy, fine. Long distance, moving
    target: No.

    ... because physics is saying plasma beams don't work over long
    distances, and no amount of drawing ridiculous analogies to
    computers will help.

    What would be the max effective range for a plasma beam? 100 meters? 10 meters? If itrCOs as long as 10 kilometers IrCOd be surprised. And there goes a whole lot of SF battles.

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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 19:29:10 2025
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    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    What would be the max effective range for a plasma beam? 100 meters? 10 >meters? If its as long as 10 kilometers Id be surprised. And there goes
    a whole lot of SF battles.


    You need to get the plasma beam source right up to the target. That's
    what the photon torpedo is for.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 18:05:35 2025
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    On 10/1/25 16:29, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    What would be the max effective range for a plasma beam? 100 meters? 10
    meters? If its as long as 10 kilometers Id be surprised. And there goes
    a whole lot of SF battles.


    You need to get the plasma beam source right up to the target. That's
    what the photon torpedo is for.
    --scott

    I remember reading long, long ago in a Pulp magazine that any sort of ray
    weapon was ridiculous and then the laser technology was revealed. Many
    people
    go by the science of their days in school and not by the possibilities
    that exist for
    further development of ideas that seem absurd to us. But except to a
    very few
    nuclear scientists the ideas of fission and fusion bombs around the time
    I was born seemed totally impractical. But Astounding stories (now
    Analog if still published)
    had to pull a story during WW II because it was too accurate in some
    respect at
    the behest of Government Censorship. They thought that details were leaked from the Manhattan Project but that was not the case.
    Remember too that with the Hydrogen bomb no one was sure that the effects would be local and the atmosphere could not be set on fire.

    You might say that we have no beam weapons but we do have sonic
    devices that confuse and cause pain for disbursing crowds of hostile
    and irrational persons but we seldom use them because of a disturbing
    strain of humanitarianism in LEOs or is it a vicious preference for nosier tools of terror.

    bliss - set your phasers to stun
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Wed Oct 1 21:04:36 2025
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    On 9/30/2025 4:02 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    Hi denizens of sf.written,

    -a-a-a-aWell remember all those stories where asteroid miners used
    mining equipment as weapons.

    Renewable Tuesday: Plasma Drilling of Geothermal Wells is Here <https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/9/30/2345642/-Renewable-Tuesday- Plasma-Drilling-of-Geothermal-Wells-is-Here>

    -a-a-a-aIf it can drill through rock melting holes in attackers craft will be a piece of cake.

    -a-a-a-abliss- plasma rifles in atmosphere coming soon...

    Have you seen the movie "Real Genius" from 1985 ? We are not even close
    to that massive laser depicted in that movie. Highly recommended.
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089886/

    Lynn

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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Oct 2 05:26:40 2025
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    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:

    Remember too that with the Hydrogen bomb no one was sure that the effects would be local and the atmosphere could not be set on fire.

    If people weren't sure about that, they were clueless. The formation
    of various nitrous oxides is an endothermic process, and it is
    very easy to put an upper limit on the amount of nitrous oxides
    generated - simple division. You can only set things on fire if
    the reaction with oxygen is exothermic.


    You might say that we have no beam weapons

    Lasers for destroying drones are actually a thing.
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Oct 2 04:04:01 2025
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    On 10/1/2025 10:26 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:

    Remember too that with the Hydrogen bomb no one was sure that the
    effects would be local and the atmosphere could not be set on fire.

    If people weren't sure about that, they were clueless. The formation
    of various nitrous oxides is an endothermic process, and it is
    very easy to put an upper limit on the amount of nitrous oxides
    generated - simple division. You can only set things on fire if
    the reaction with oxygen is exothermic.


    You might say that we have no beam weapons

    Lasers for destroying drones are actually a thing.

    Yes and no. Lasers for blinding sensors or causing shorts in circuits
    yes, lasers as in cutting pieces of the frame off no.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Oct 2 17:31:25 2025
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    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> schrieb:
    On 10/1/2025 10:26 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> schrieb:

    Remember too that with the Hydrogen bomb no one was sure that the
    effects would be local and the atmosphere could not be set on fire.

    If people weren't sure about that, they were clueless. The formation
    of various nitrous oxides is an endothermic process, and it is
    very easy to put an upper limit on the amount of nitrous oxides
    generated - simple division. You can only set things on fire if
    the reaction with oxygen is exothermic.


    You might say that we have no beam weapons

    Lasers for destroying drones are actually a thing.

    Yes and no. Lasers for blinding sensors or causing shorts in circuits
    yes, lasers as in cutting pieces of the frame off no.

    Making holes (alledgedly, at least).

    See https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/06/04/china-laser-gun-russia-ukrainian-drones/
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  • From The Horny Goat@lcraver@home.ca to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Oct 3 14:40:38 2025
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    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever
    that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    I am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma drill.

    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Oct 4 06:52:59 2025
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    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> schrieb:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever >>that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more >>power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry >>that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    I am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma drill.

    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.

    They didn't vaporize, or everybody in the room would have been
    choking on the fumes. The creators of the show just chose whatever
    special effect was cheapest.

    But remember, this is Star Trek, where space ships travelling through intersteallar space meet by accident at distances of ~ 100 000 km.

    Quoting the sorely missed Douglas Adams:

    "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely,
    mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way
    down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Oct 4 09:13:29 2025
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    On 10/3/2025 11:52 PM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> schrieb:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever >>> that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    I am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma drill. >>
    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.

    They didn't vaporize, or everybody in the room would have been
    choking on the fumes. The creators of the show just chose whatever
    special effect was cheapest.

    But remember, this is Star Trek, where space ships travelling through intersteallar space meet by accident at distances of ~ 100 000 km.

    Quoting the sorely missed Douglas Adams:

    "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely,
    mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way
    down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.
    --
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    dirty old man.
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Oct 4 16:40:58 2025
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    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the >equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.

    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write

    converted a human sized target into energy

    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).


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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Oct 4 13:32:04 2025
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    On 10/4/2025 9:40 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the
    equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.

    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write

    converted a human sized target into energy

    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).

    ~200 lbs converted to joules (or whatever it is in E=MC2).

    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the
    atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly
    efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.
    How big a bang do you get from ~200 lb of Simtec or C4 or some other
    explosive like that. Now multiply _that_ by some large number because conventional explosives don't break EVERY chemical bond when they detonate.
    --
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    dirty old man.
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 09:31:16 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:32:04 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
    On 10/4/2025 9:40 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the
    equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.

    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write

    converted a human sized target into energy

    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).

    ~200 lbs converted to joules (or whatever it is in E=MC2).

    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the
    atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly
    efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.
    How big a bang do you get from ~200 lb of Simtec or C4 or some other >explosive like that. Now multiply _that_ by some large number because >conventional explosives don't break EVERY chemical bond when they detonate. This is, of course, the sort of reasoning that prevents Dracula from
    turning into a normal-sized bat (boom!). Or back again (where does the
    energy come from?)
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 17:53:32 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:32:04 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 10/4/2025 9:40 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly =
    the
    equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.
    =20
    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write
    =20
    converted a human sized target into energy
    =20
    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).
    =20
    ~200 lbs converted to joules (or whatever it is in E=3DMC2).

    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the=20 >>atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly=20 >>efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.=20
    How big a bang do you get from ~200 lb of Simtec or C4 or some other=20 >>explosive like that. Now multiply _that_ by some large number because=20 >>conventional explosives don't break EVERY chemical bond when they = >detonate.

    This is, of course, the sort of reasoning that prevents Dracula from
    turning into a normal-sized bat (boom!). Or back again (where does the
    energy come from?)


    "You annoyed Miss Rosenberg", said Jack. "Why dont you get
    back in your chair, and we can get on with this meeting."

    "That was incredible! said Colonel Carter, as Dr. Ramsey
    scrambled back to his seat. How was that possible?
    Conservation of mass alone wouldnt allow for something
    like that to happen, to say nothing about the cross
    species transformation!"

    "The extra mass gets refolded into 10-space", said Willow.
    "To transform between species you have to ---"

    - Don Sample, 'To Be, or Not To Be'.
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  • From Thomas Koenig@tkoenig@netcologne.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 19:57:19 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> schrieb:
    On 10/4/2025 9:40 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the
    equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.

    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write

    converted a human sized target into energy

    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).

    ~200 lbs converted to joules (or whatever it is in E=MC2).

    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the
    atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly
    efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.

    That is a gross oversimplification of the chemical reaction of
    explosives. (Plus, there's always residue).

    Also, breaking up water is highly endothermic, water is quite an
    extremely stable compound. And more than half of the human body
    is water.


    How big a bang do you get from ~200 lb of Simtec or C4 or some other explosive like that. Now multiply _that_ by some large number because conventional explosives don't break EVERY chemical bond when they detonate.

    Ah.
    --
    This USENET posting was made without artificial intelligence,
    artificial impertinence, artificial arrogance, artificial stupidity,
    artificial flavorings or artificial colorants.
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 17:08:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> schrieb:
    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the
    atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly
    efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.

    That is a gross oversimplification of the chemical reaction of
    explosives. (Plus, there's always residue).

    Also, breaking up water is highly endothermic, water is quite an
    extremely stable compound. And more than half of the human body
    is water.

    That's okay, because we have endless amounts of heat available for
    the application, thanks to rhodomagnetic energy.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Cryptoengineer@petertrei@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 17:55:17 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 10/4/2025 2:52 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> schrieb:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    I visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a lever >>> that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more
    power than
    you can get from D cells. It discharges though the advanced circuitry
    that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    I am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma drill. >>
    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.

    They didn't vaporize, or everybody in the room would have been
    choking on the fumes. The creators of the show just chose whatever
    special effect was cheapest.

    My headcanon was that the beams were transporter beams, with no
    receiver specified - whatever the transporters send just gets lost
    in a large area of space.

    pt
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 18:30:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 10/5/2025 2:55 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 10/4/2025 2:52 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> schrieb:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    -a-a-a-aI visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a >>>> lever
    that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more >>>> power than
    you can get from D cells.-a It discharges though the advanced circuitry >>>> that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    -a-a-a-aI am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma >>>> drill.

    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.

    They didn't vaporize, or everybody in the room would have been
    choking on the fumes.-a The creators of the show just chose whatever
    special effect was cheapest.

    My headcanon was that the beams were transporter beams, with no
    receiver specified - whatever the transporters send just gets lost
    in a large area of space.

    Wrong sound effect then. :P
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Oct 5 21:07:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written



    On 10/5/25 09:31, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Oct 2025 13:32:04 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 10/4/2025 9:40 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote or quoted:
    I did some calculations years ago and determined that if phasers
    converted a human sized target into energy it would release roughly the >>>> equivalent of a 2 GIGAton nuclear bomb IIRC.

    You might be working off a false either-or between something
    with mass, like a human body, and energy when you write

    converted a human sized target into energy

    . Anything with mass already /is/ energy (a form of energy).

    ~200 lbs converted to joules (or whatever it is in E=MC2).

    And even if phasers are "just" breaking all the chemical bonds in the
    atoms in a body, that's just the same as a theoretically perfectly
    efficient conventional explosive since that is exactly what they do.
    How big a bang do you get from ~200 lb of Simtec or C4 or some other
    explosive like that. Now multiply _that_ by some large number because
    conventional explosives don't break EVERY chemical bond when they detonate.

    This is, of course, the sort of reasoning that prevents Dracula from
    turning into a normal-sized bat (boom!). Or back again (where does the
    energy come from?)

    Well like Superman, Dracula is a magical creature. Dracula's nature is assumed
    because of his human prey to be demonic or specifically a demon has
    replaced the
    assumed soul of Dracula. Where did the Universe come from? Someplace else
    and that is where Dracula mass/energy is assumed to reside.

    Where does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from probably
    the same place or some place very similar. Oh for the thrilling days of yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    bliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.
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  • From Jerry Brown@jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Oct 6 08:20:13 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 18:30:03 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 10/5/2025 2:55 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 10/4/2025 2:52 AM, Thomas Koenig wrote:
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> schrieb:
    On Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:36:44 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
    <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    aaaaI visualize a capacitor of high density charged by squeezing a
    lever
    that compresses a piezo-electric device that provides quite a lot more >>>>> power than
    you can get from D cells.a It discharges though the advanced circuitry >>>>> that will
    do what the circuitry in the present day plasma drill does.

    aaaaI am just pleased that I am living long enough to see the plasma >>>>> drill.

    I confess I always wondered about those Star Trek phasers that could
    vaporize an entire human being as opposed to blowing a lethal size
    hole in him.

    They didn't vaporize, or everybody in the room would have been
    choking on the fumes.a The creators of the show just chose whatever
    special effect was cheapest.

    My headcanon was that the beams were transporter beams, with no
    receiver specified - whatever the transporters send just gets lost
    in a large area of space.

    Wrong sound effect then. :P

    There was a TNG episode which featured handweapons initially presumed
    to be disintegrators, which actually turned out to be transporters
    (but obvious to the viewer that this would turn out to be the case,
    since Picard was the victim).
    --
    Jerry Brown

    A cat may look at a king
    (but probably won't bother)
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Oct 6 09:15:37 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sun, 5 Oct 2025 21:07:03 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
    On 10/5/25 09:31, Paul S Person wrote:
    <snippo>
    This is, of course, the sort of reasoning that prevents Dracula from
    turning into a normal-sized bat (boom!). Or back again (where does the
    energy come from?)

    Well like Superman, Dracula is a magical creature. Dracula's nature is
    assumed
    because of his human prey to be demonic or specifically a demon has
    replaced the
    assumed soul of Dracula. Where did the Universe come from? Someplace else >and that is where Dracula mass/energy is assumed to reside.
    Maybe in your reality. Or Dante's.
    In Bram Stoker's reality, he is nothing of the sort. He is nosferatu,
    the Undead.
    Where does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from probably
    the same place or some place very similar. Oh for the thrilling days of >yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.
    Actually, it's the yellow sun. But I'm sure the body scaled for a
    heavier gravity helps.
    And Superman grew up on Earth. Supergirl grew up on Krypton. Yet they
    have similar powers under the same yellow sun.
    I suggest watching the animated movie /Justice League: Flashpoint
    Paradox/ -- and carefully consider how Superman is treated.
    But not the live-action film /Flashpoint/. It takes the basic idea but
    uses it to tell a very different story.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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  • From Titus G@noone@nowhere.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 17:24:21 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.

    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come
    from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)
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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Oct 6 22:02:41 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 10/6/2025 9:24 PM, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from >> probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of
    yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.

    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come
    from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)

    Contact telekinesis.
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Oct 6 22:06:06 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written



    On 10/6/25 21:24, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from >> probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of
    yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.

    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come
    from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)

    Magic in the ink the artists use is the secret.
    Some of the movies have demonstrated what battles between Superpowered
    people and super-powered aliens can do to nice modern cities.
    Magic is his vunerability as well as I well remember from the earliest case
    of the rude little goblin with an unpronounceable name who used to show up
    to bedevil younger Kal-El.


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  • From Michael Ikeda@mmikeda@erols.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 13:24:57 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote in news:10c26te$o72a$1@dont-email.me:

    On 10/6/2025 9:24 PM, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and
    durability come from
    probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the
    thrilling days of yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could
    confer super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.

    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain
    his ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the
    super power come from that prevents everything from sliding
    from tables, or drinks from spilling, inside the tall buildings
    he sometimes carries in one outstretched palm under one sharp
    corner whilst flying? (The colour of a sun will not be accepted
    as a scientific answer!)

    Contact telekinesis.


    In his recent book "The Physics of Superheroes Goes Hollywood"
    James Kakalios argues (expanding on a suggestion from physicist Ben
    Tippett) that the "miracle exception" you need for Superman's
    powers is the ability to alter inertia (both his own and that of
    other objects, including objects at some distance).

    ("Miracle exception" is Kakalio's term for the change in the laws
    of physics needed to account for a superhero's powers.)
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 14:03:11 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> wrote or quoted:
    ("Miracle exception" is Kakalio's term for the change in the laws
    of physics needed to account for a superhero's powers.)

    The Greek "ta physika" means "natural things".

    The thing is, with a language - and yeah, I'm including stuff
    like images, movies, all that - you can say things that don't
    describe anything real or natural. "Colorless green ideas sleep
    furiously." Chomsky kind of pushed it to the extreme there. But if
    you dial it back a bit, it actually gets your imagination going.

    Of course, a very natural thing in which inertia does not matter
    are dreams.

    You could get an idea by starting with language itself, by
    making up some constructs first. We already know "Ringworld",
    so let's coin "Ringdrive". What could that be in a story . . .

    Some technical terms really get fiction writers' imagination
    going. They hear a word like "tachyon". To actual physicists,
    if tachyons show up in a theory, it just means the theory
    is broken somewhere. But for a novelist, it can just be a
    cool-sounding term you slap on a drive or a weapon to make
    half-informed readers think it sounds scientifically legit.


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  • From Don_from_AZ@djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 07:51:03 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 10/6/25 21:24, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from >>> probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of >>> yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.
    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come
    from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from
    spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)

    Magic in the ink the artists use is the secret.
    Some of the movies have demonstrated what battles between Superpowered
    people and super-powered aliens can do to nice modern cities.
    Magic is his vunerability as well as I well remember from the earliest case
    of the rude little goblin with an unpronounceable name who used to show up
    to bedevil younger Kal-El.




    Mister Mxyzptlk?
    --
    -Don_from_AZ-
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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 08:29:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written



    On 10/7/25 07:51, Don_from_AZ wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 10/6/25 21:24, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from
    probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of >>>> yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.
    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come
    from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from
    spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)

    Magic in the ink the artists use is the secret.
    Some of the movies have demonstrated what battles between Superpowered >> people and super-powered aliens can do to nice modern cities.
    Magic is his vunerability as well as I well remember from the earliest case
    of the rude little goblin with an unpronounceable name who used to show up >> to bedevil younger Kal-El.


    Mister Mxyzptlk?

    I believe so but i have always had problems with the spelling.
    I think he shows up with the Joker in a more recent story line
    helping the Joker reshape reality so that Joker can win once in a while
    and to bedevil those overserious chaps, Bruce Wayne and Kal-El. Even
    Mister Mxyzptlk gets fed up with the Joker and leaves him flat, to the
    best of my recollection.

    You do know that the first conception of Superman made him a bald
    villain but no one wanted a super telepathic villain so the creators changed
    to the more positive side of the story and cut out the telepathy for
    a while.
    The bald villain returned with Lex Luthor and Brainiac of course.

    bliss - magic in the ink of course
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  • From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan@tednolan to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 15:42:01 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <10c3bkk$11h9s$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:


    On 10/7/25 07:51, Don_from_AZ wrote:
    Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> writes:

    On 10/6/25 21:24, Titus G wrote:
    On 6/10/25 17:07, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
    snip
    -a-a-a-aWhere does Superman's extremely strength and durability come from
    probably
    the same place or some place very similar.-a Oh for the thrilling days of >>>>> yesteryear when
    we assumed that growing up on a much more dense planet could confer
    super powers.

    -a-a-a-abliss - it is actually in the ink the artist uses.
    They were thrilling days for me as well. Gravity might explain his
    ability to leap over tall buildings but where does the super power come >>>> from that prevents everything from sliding from tables, or drinks from >>>> spilling, inside the tall buildings he sometimes carries in one
    outstretched palm under one sharp corner whilst flying?
    (The colour of a sun will not be accepted as a scientific answer!)

    Magic in the ink the artists use is the secret.
    Some of the movies have demonstrated what battles between Superpowered >>> people and super-powered aliens can do to nice modern cities.
    Magic is his vunerability as well as I well remember from the earliest case
    of the rude little goblin with an unpronounceable name who used to show up
    to bedevil younger Kal-El.


    Mister Mxyzptlk?

    I believe so but i have always had problems with the spelling.
    I think he shows up with the Joker in a more recent story line
    helping the Joker reshape reality so that Joker can win once in a while
    and to bedevil those overserious chaps, Bruce Wayne and Kal-El. Even
    Mister Mxyzptlk gets fed up with the Joker and leaves him flat, to the
    best of my recollection.

    You do know that the first conception of Superman made him a bald
    villain but no one wanted a super telepathic villain so the creators
    changed
    to the more positive side of the story and cut out the telepathy for
    a while.
    The bald villain returned with Lex Luthor and Brainiac of course.

    bliss - magic in the ink of course

    It never occured to me before that Superman was initially sort of
    John Carter in his feats.

    The fifth dimensional imps including Mister Mxyzptlk & Bat-Mite had
    an extended outing in Mark Waid's "World's Finest" continutiy recently.
    It was a fun storyline and they even got to be real heroes.
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Oct 7 09:04:25 2025
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    On 7 Oct 2025 14:03:11 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
    Michael Ikeda <mmikeda@erols.com> wrote or quoted:
    ("Miracle exception" is Kakalio's term for the change in the laws
    of physics needed to account for a superhero's powers.)

    The Greek "ta physika" means "natural things".
    Well, "the natural things", actually. This, of course became Physics.
    But what is really interesting is that, when the books were arranged,
    the /next/ book was "ta meta ta physika" -- which became Metaphysics.
    Ah, metaphysics -- as indescribable now as it was then.
    Well, if it had been describable then it would have had an actual
    /name/, wouldn't it. Not just "the book after ta physika", which
    merely denotes it's position..
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    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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