• (ReacTor) On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    From jdnicoll@jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 14:10:31 2025
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    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/
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  • From Don@g@crcomp.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 15:04:07 2025
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    James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Writing romance was a core competency of Edgar Allan Poe, the Father of Science Fiction [1].

    Note.

    [1] Edgar Allan Poe may well be called the father of "scientifiction."
    It was he who really originated the romance, cleverly weaving into
    and around the story, a scientific thread.

    Hugo Gernsback, AMAZING STORIES, April 1926

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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 15:19:37 2025
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    On Sep 25, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <10b3ign$4lt$1@reader2.panix.com>):

    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Pretty much all of the Barrayar books (Bujold) have (lots of) romance, starting with Shards of Honor. Winterfair Gifts is just a love story... with DNA and bio-weapons.

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across their work. (Some better sprinkled than others, of course...) Even David
    Drake and David Weber would occasionally take a break from covering the neighborhood in blood and body parts to have a little romance. (Very little, and usually leading to more blood and body parts.)

    And Graydon SaundersrCO Commonweal books are essentially long-running
    romances between various characters... and anything involving FOOF being launched at escape velocity from field artillery should be hard enough SF. (Memo: do NOT annoy Blossom. Just donrCOt.)

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  • From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan@tednolan to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 21:11:35 2025
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    In article <0001HW.2E85CD490366D53D700004F2838F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Sep 25, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <10b3ign$4lt$1@reader2.panix.com>):

    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Pretty much all of the Barrayar books (Bujold) have (lots of) romance, >starting with Shards of Honor. Winterfair Gifts is just a love story... with >DNA and bio-weapons.

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across >their work. (Some better sprinkled than others, of course...) Even David >Drake and David Weber would occasionally take a break from covering the >neighborhood in blood and body parts to have a little romance. (Very little, >and usually leading to more blood and body parts.)

    And Graydon SaundersrCO Commonweal books are essentially long-running >romances between various characters... and anything involving FOOF being >launched at escape velocity from field artillery should be hard enough SF. >(Memo: do NOT annoy Blossom. Just donrCOt.)


    Plenty of romance in the Liaden universe, and the Kate Andrews one.
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  • From Tony Nance@tnusenet17@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 17:16:14 2025
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    On 9/25/25 5:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <0001HW.2E85CD490366D53D700004F2838F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Sep 25, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <10b3ign$4lt$1@reader2.panix.com>):

    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Pretty much all of the Barrayar books (Bujold) have (lots of) romance,
    starting with Shards of Honor. Winterfair Gifts is just a love story... with >> DNA and bio-weapons.

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across
    their work. (Some better sprinkled than others, of course...) Even David
    Drake and David Weber would occasionally take a break from covering the
    neighborhood in blood and body parts to have a little romance. (Very little, >> and usually leading to more blood and body parts.)

    And Graydon SaundersrCO Commonweal books are essentially long-running
    romances between various characters... and anything involving FOOF being
    launched at escape velocity from field artillery should be hard enough SF. >> (Memo: do NOT annoy Blossom. Just donrCOt.)


    Plenty of romance in the Liaden universe, and the Kate Andrews one.

    Is that the one written by Ilona Daniels? :)
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  • From ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan@tednolan to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 21:23:59 2025
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    In article <10b4beu$icpp$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/25/25 5:11 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <0001HW.2E85CD490366D53D700004F2838F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Sep 25, 2025, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <10b3ign$4lt$1@reader2.panix.com>):

    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Pretty much all of the Barrayar books (Bujold) have (lots of) romance,
    starting with Shards of Honor. Winterfair Gifts is just a love story... with
    DNA and bio-weapons.

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across
    their work. (Some better sprinkled than others, of course...) Even David >>> Drake and David Weber would occasionally take a break from covering the
    neighborhood in blood and body parts to have a little romance. (Very little,
    and usually leading to more blood and body parts.)

    And Graydon SaundersrCO Commonweal books are essentially long-running
    romances between various characters... and anything involving FOOF being >>> launched at escape velocity from field artillery should be hard enough SF. >>> (Memo: do NOT annoy Blossom. Just donrCOt.)


    Plenty of romance in the Liaden universe, and the Kate Andrews one.

    Is that the one written by Ilona Daniels? :)

    Heh. Yep!
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 16:44:30 2025
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    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good example is "On to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson. I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Another book would be "Lucifer's Hammer" by Larry Niven and Jerry
    Pournelle. I do not remember much romance in this book either but I do remember the cannibals.
    https://www.amazon.com/Lucifers-Hammer-Novel-Larry-Niven/dp/0449208133

    Lynn

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  • From wollman@wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 21:48:26 2025
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    In article <0001HW.2E85CD490366D53D700004F2838F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    And Graydon SaundersrCO Commonweal books are essentially long-running >romances between various characters... and anything involving FOOF being >launched at escape velocity from field artillery should be hard enough SF.

    I've nearly convinced myself that the Commonweal is a simulation, and
    whoever brought magic into the world 250,000 years ago (in narrative
    time) did so by exploiting a security vulnerability in the simulator
    to backdoor the physics engine. Would explain why they are seem to
    have had ... unfortunate ... characters.

    -GAWollman
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 18:02:51 2025
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    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    If you really loved me, you'd let me blender your brain to check your
    love RNA to prove it.
    --scott
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@naddy@mips.inka.de to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 22:42:34 2025
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    On 2025-09-25, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across
    their work.

    Hal Clement? Where?
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  • From WolfFan@akwolffan@zoho.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 21:55:34 2025
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    On Sep 25, 2025, Christian Weisgerber wrote
    (in article<slrn10dbhaq.20bt.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>):

    On 2025-09-25, WolfFan<akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Poul Anderson, Hal Clement, RAH, and even Asimov had romance sprinkled across
    their work.

    Hal Clement? Where?

    The alien vampires with the big eyes, Tes and Thrykr, in rCyAssumption UnjustifiedrCO, for one story.

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  • From Robert Woodward@robertaw@drizzle.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 21:44:43 2025
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    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good example is "On to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson. I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Thu Sep 25 23:58:57 2025
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    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good example is "On to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson. I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have. If they say it is so then I believe them.

    Lynn

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@dtravel@sonic.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 04:50:55 2025
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    On 9/25/2025 9:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.-a A good example is "On to >>> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    -a-a-a-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    Being NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs than you have does not preclude them using handwavium to write a better, more dramatic story.
    --
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    dirty old man.
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  • From scott@scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 14:29:48 2025
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    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good example is "On to >>> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson. I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have. If they say it is so then I believe them.

    The 'F' in 'SF' stands for _fiction_.
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  • From William Hyde@wthyde1953@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 16:55:47 2025
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    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.-a A good example is "On to >>> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    -a-a-a-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in
    physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy.

    I think at this point we've already moved past plausibility, but
    consider also what fraction of the asteroid's kinetic energy is
    transferred to the earth as a whole, given that the earth is not a rigid sphere, more like a liquid at these energies. And how much is wasted
    throwing megatons of ejecta into space (as the dinosaur killer did), on heating rock to glowing plasma, on generating shock waves that ring the planet, and so on.

    Not that any of the above is a criticism of the authors. If they needed
    the earth to stop rotating for their story, then stop it must, as I have
    said about analogous works. Just don't call it hard SF.


    William Hyde
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  • From ram@ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 21:49:54 2025
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    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the >rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy.

    If an asteroid is moving fast, then it would add even more energy.

    For a spinning sphere to stop, both its rotational energy and
    its angular momentum need to go away. The catch is, energy
    and angular momentum are conserved. The rotational energy can
    disappear if it gets turned into some other form of energy, like
    heat. But the angular momentum has to be passed on to something
    else. And that actually happens: The Earth is gradually slowing
    down, and on average it adds about 1.7 to 1.8 milliseconds to
    the length of a day every hundred years. That's because of tidal
    friction, mostly from the Moon's pull, which shifts some of Earth's
    spin momentum into the Moon's orbit. So that's basically how it
    works, but you would have to ramp it up a lot.


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  • From Don@g@crcomp.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 21:54:58 2025
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    James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Writing romance was a core competency of Edgar Allan Poe, the Father of Science Fiction [1].

    Note.

    [1] Edgar Allan Poe may well be called the father of "scientifiction."
    It was he who really originated the romance, cleverly weaving into
    and around the story, a scientific thread.

    Hugo Gernsback, AMAZING STORIES, April 1926

    Addendum:

    If Poe's the Father of Science Fiction, then Mary Shelley's its mother.
    Taken together they're Literally the First Couple of Science Fiction.
    Both led wretched lives and became titans of Romantic literature.
    Among other things, Romanticism subsumes a fascination with the
    past. Politicians excel at using Romanticism for political gain. They
    pander to voters who love nostalgia as experienced through subjective rose-colored glasses.
    Poe and Shelley both used Romanticism as a counter-weight to Enlightenment. Poe opposed the Transcendentalism implicit in Masonic
    belief: the notion of a sanguinely better world existing beyond, or transcending, the corporeal world.

    The many loves in Perry Rhodan's romantic relationships rank as my
    favorite science fiction narratives of romance. Rhodan's routinely
    bewitched by women, who mostly use feminine wiles, rather than
    Science, to hook him.

    Tolstoy's Russian realist romantic narratives in WAR AND PEACE are at
    the pinnacle. The most interesting women characters in the novel
    carefully think things through instead of impetuously involving
    themselves with whatever man happens to be in front of their noses
    at a given moment. But the Tolstoy isn't my idea of Science Fiction.

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |

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  • From Robert Woodward@robertaw@drizzle.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 21:48:53 2025
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    In article <10b56ii$p5qo$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good example is "On to >> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson. I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have. If they say it is so then I believe them.

    In other words, you refuse to think. What I pointed out looks as
    blatantly wrong as somebody saying that a chemical reaction that
    produces nitrogen compounds, using atmospheric Nitrogen, was exothermic.
    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. rCo-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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  • From Robert Woodward@robertaw@drizzle.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Fri Sep 26 21:52:32 2025
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    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.-a A good example is "On to >>> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.-a I do not remember >>> much romance in this book.
    -a-a-a-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.
    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. rCo-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 27 14:26:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/25/2025 5:02 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    If you really loved me, you'd let me blender your brain to check your
    love RNA to prove it.
    --scott

    I think that you are replying to James.

    Lynn

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  • From William Hyde@wthyde1953@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 27 16:53:49 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|e-a A good example is "On to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|e-a I do not remember >>>>> much romance in this book.
    |e-a|e-a|e-a|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed >>>> drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should >>>> have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude >>>> that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in
    physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief. It's a bit less impossible. It's the kind of thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.

    Perhaps a large chunk of the planet side ablated away or broke off,
    carrying its angular momentum with it.

    I can't imagine it actually happening, but I'll accept a handwave.

    William Hyde


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  • From Robert Carnegie@rja.carnegie@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 28 01:18:47 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 26/09/2025 05:58, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.-a A good example is "On to >>> the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    -a-a-a-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    Two words: peer review.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 27 19:47:20 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/27/2025 7:18 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On 26/09/2025 05:58, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.-a A good example is
    "On to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.-a I do not remember >>>> much romance in this book.
    -a-a-a-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    Two words: peer review.

    Sure, go for it.

    Lynn

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  • From Robert Woodward@robertaw@drizzle.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sat Sep 27 21:55:52 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|e-a A good example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|e-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |e-a|e-a|e-a|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed >>>> drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should >>>> have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude >>>> that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs
    than I have.|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in
    physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the >> rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief. It's a bit less impossible. It's the kind of thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in diameter).

    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant doubts about that).
    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. rCo-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com
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  • From jdnicoll@jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 28 13:37:09 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    In article <robertaw-38B406.21555227092025@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

    Big snip

    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in >diameter).

    snip

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant >doubts about that).

    My interpretation of your comments is that they had to have despun
    the rock by deliberately ejecting smaller fragments at speed and since
    the escape velocity of the asteroid would be pretty small, the
    fragments' velocity was enough for them to go into indepentent orbits.
    Some of which intersected the Earth, which seems careless.

    Were there no safety assessments on this project?

    Anyway, sounds like a novel whose thesis is "kill the rocket
    scientists now".
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
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  • From William Hyde@wthyde1953@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Sun Sep 28 17:40:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an
    asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed >>>>>> drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should >>>>>> have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude >>>>>> that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>> than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in
    physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it >>>> in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the >>>> rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy. >>>
    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief. It's a bit less impossible. It's the kind of thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough
    internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant doubts about that).

    I see. Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an earth-impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme
    prejudice if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the
    approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.


    William Hyde
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  • From Paul S Person@psperson@old.netcom.invalid to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Sep 29 08:36:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:40:31 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|e-a A good example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|e-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |e-a|e-a|e-a|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>>>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed >>>>>>> drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>>>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should >>>>>>> have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude >>>>>>> that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>>> than I have.|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>> physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it >>>>> in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the >>>>> rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how >>>>> fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy. >>>>
    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief. It's a bit less impossible. It's the kind of thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough
    internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in
    diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant
    doubts about that).

    I see. Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an >earth-impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme
    prejudice if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the >approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.
    And if one of them walks out because they are currently in a snit?
    The Korean War was fought as a UN war because the USSR did precisely
    that. No USSR present, no veto applied.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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  • From William Hyde@wthyde1953@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Sep 29 15:30:22 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sun, 28 Sep 2025 17:40:31 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>>>>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the installed >>>>>>>> drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>>>>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would preclude >>>>>>>> that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>>>> than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>>> physics, chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real. Maybe if they wrote it >>>>>> in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation. It's easy enough to calculate the >>>>>> rotational kinetic energy of the earth. Do that. Now figure out how >>>>>> fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that energy. >>>>>
    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief. It's a bit less impossible. It's the kind of thing I >>>> can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough >>>> to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough >>>> internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in >>> diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were >>> in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant >>> doubts about that).

    I see. Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an
    earth-impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme
    prejudice if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the
    approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.

    And if one of them walks out because they are currently in a snit?

    Silence gives consent.

    If not, the pitter-patter of hydrogen bombs will tell us otherwise.


    The Korean War was fought as a UN war because the USSR did precisely
    that. No USSR present, no veto applied.

    They felt that they had nothing to lose, and indeed they didn't.

    William Hyde


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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Mon Sep 29 20:04:31 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/28/2025 4:40 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a-a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good >>>>>>>> example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do not >>>>>>>> remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-
    Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>>>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the
    installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>>>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it >>>>>>> should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would
    preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>>> than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>> physics,-a chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real.-a Maybe if they
    wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation.-a It's easy enough to
    calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth.-a Do that.-a Now figure out how >>>>> fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that
    energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief.-a It's a bit less impossible.-a It's the kind of thing I >>> can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough
    internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in
    diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant
    doubts about that).

    I see.-a Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an earth- impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme prejudice
    if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.


    William Hyde

    Including the space alien invaders who are slowly moving rocks into
    place to drop on us ? Lots of books project that scenario.

    Lynn

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  • From Don@g@crcomp.net to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 03:57:59 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    William Hyde wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science-fiction/ >>>>>>>>>
    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience. A good
    example is "On to the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and
    Les Johnson. I do not remember much romance in this book.
    https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-Taylor/dp/148148267X >>>>>>>>
    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about it). >>>>>>>> That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the
    installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision course on >>>>>>>> Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it >>>>>>>> should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would
    preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>>>> than I have. If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>>> physics,-a chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real.-a Maybe if they
    wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation.-a It's easy enough to
    calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth.-a Do that.-a Now figure out how >>>>>> fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that
    energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief.-a It's a bit less impossible.-a It's the kind of thing I >>>> can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough >>>> to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough >>>> internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.

    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in >>> diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.

    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were >>> in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant >>> doubts about that).

    I see.-a Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an earth-
    impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme prejudice
    if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the
    approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.

    Including the space alien invaders who are slowly moving rocks into
    place to drop on us ? Lots of books project that scenario.

    Although assassins all but spoiled the silly season this year, some may
    be taken with the hard science offered up by this tidbit's theory:

    Is the Interstellar Object 3I/ATLAS Alien Technology?

    At this early stage of its passage through our Solar
    System, 3I/ATLAS, the recently discovered interstellar
    interloper, has displayed various anomalous characteristics,
    determined from photometric and astrometric observations.
    As largely a pedagogical exercise, in this paper we present
    additional analysis into the astrodynamics of 3I/ATLAS, and
    hypothesize that this object could be technological, and
    possibly hostile as would be expected from the 'Dark Forest'
    resolution to the 'Fermi Paradox'.

    (excerpt)

    <https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.12213>

    --
    Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``. veritas _|_ telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,. liberabit |
    tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' vos |

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  • From Robert Carnegie@rja.carnegie@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 20:33:38 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 30/09/2025 02:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/28/2025 4:40 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a-a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science- >>>>>>>>>> fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good >>>>>>>>> example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do not >>>>>>>>> remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-
    Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about >>>>>>>> it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the
    installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision
    course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, it >>>>>>>> should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would >>>>>>>> preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more PhDs >>>>>>> than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them.

    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>>> physics,-a chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real.-a Maybe if they
    wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation.-a It's easy enough to
    calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth.-a Do that.-a Now figure out how >>>>>> fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that
    energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief.-a It's a bit less impossible.-a It's the kind of thing I >>>> can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which
    grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between
    the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough >>>> to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough >>>> internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+ meters in >>> diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks were >>> in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have significant >>> doubts about that).

    I see.-a Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an earth-
    impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme prejudice
    if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the
    approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.


    William Hyde

    Including the space alien invaders who are slowly moving rocks into
    place to drop on us ?-a Lots of books project that scenario.

    Lynn

    I expect we can make our feelings understood
    when that's the prospect.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@lynnmcguire5@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 16:01:24 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written

    On 9/30/2025 2:33 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 02:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/28/2025 4:40 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a-a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and physics >>>>>>>>>>> of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science- >>>>>>>>>>> fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good >>>>>>>>>> example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do >>>>>>>>>> not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-
    Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think about >>>>>>>>> it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the >>>>>>>>> installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision
    course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, >>>>>>>>> it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would >>>>>>>>> preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the asteroid >>>>>>>>> (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more >>>>>>>> PhDs
    than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them. >>>>>>>
    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with PhDs in >>>>>>> physics,-a chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work for >>>>>>> NASA, who tell you that climate change is real.-a Maybe if they >>>>>>> wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation.-a It's easy enough to
    calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth.-a Do that.-a Now figure out >>>>>>> how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that >>>>>>> energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief.-a It's a bit less impossible.-a It's the kind of
    thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which >>>>> grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between >>>>> the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be enough >>>>> to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess enough >>>>> internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description.
    IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+
    meters in
    diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had been >>>> an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision
    course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops
    working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks
    were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have
    significant
    doubts about that).

    I see.-a Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an
    earth- impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme
    prejudice if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without the
    approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or nuclear
    armed state in the solar system.


    William Hyde

    Including the space alien invaders who are slowly moving rocks into
    place to drop on us ?-a Lots of books project that scenario.

    Lynn

    I expect we can make our feelings understood
    when that's the prospect.

    I highly doubt that we have any deep space weapons.

    Lynn

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com to rec.arts.sf.written on Tue Sep 30 14:05:56 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.written



    On 9/30/25 14:01, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/30/2025 2:33 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On 30/09/2025 02:04, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/28/2025 4:40 PM, William Hyde wrote:
    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b9iu0$1uqs0$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b6ukt$1a089$1@dont-email.me>,
    -a-a William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2025 11:44 PM, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <10b4d3u$jl8k$1@dont-email.me>,
    |arCU|e-a Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 9/25/2025 9:10 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    On Writing Romance as Hard Science Fiction

    More stories should dig into the chemistry, biology, and >>>>>>>>>>>> physics
    of falling in love.

    https://reactormag.com/on-writing-romance-as-hard-science- >>>>>>>>>>>> fiction/

    Is there a book mentioned in this article ?

    Hard science fiction is rare in my experience.|arCU|e-a A good >>>>>>>>>>> example is "On
    to
    the Asteroid" by Travis S. Taylor and Les Johnson.|arCU|e-a I do >>>>>>>>>>> not remember
    much romance in this book.
    |arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a|arCU|e-a https://www.amazon.com/Asteroid-Travis-S-
    Taylor/dp/148148267X

    Hard science?! Let's see now; the Earth is hit by debris from an >>>>>>>>>> asteroid when its spin was reduced to zero (really? think >>>>>>>>>> about it).
    That asteroid was being maneuvered into Earth orbit when the >>>>>>>>>> installed
    drive stopped working leaving that asteroid on a collision >>>>>>>>>> course on
    Earth (that is a rather low probability event; besides, IMHO, >>>>>>>>>> it should
    have been possible to plan an acceleration program that would >>>>>>>>>> preclude
    that from happening). BTW, that debris arrived before the >>>>>>>>>> asteroid
    (Really?? Let's think more about it).

    Thanks, I'll trust the two NASA rocket scientists with way more >>>>>>>>> PhDs
    than I have.|arCU|e-a If they say it is so then I believe them. >>>>>>>>
    How odd then, that you do not trust the many scientists with
    PhDs in
    physics,-a chemistry, mathematics, engineering, some of whom work >>>>>>>> for
    NASA, who tell you that climate change is real.-a Maybe if they >>>>>>>> wrote it
    in an SF novel you'd agree?

    As for stopping the earth's rotation.-a It's easy enough to
    calculate the
    rotational kinetic energy of the earth.-a Do that.-a Now figure >>>>>>>> out how
    fast the asteroid in question must be moving to negate all that >>>>>>>> energy.

    It was the asteroid that was de-spun.

    That's a relief.-a It's a bit less impossible.-a It's the kind of >>>>>> thing I
    can read and shrug off, if the book is good enough.

    Perhaps if it was a very slow moving, slowly rotating, asteroid which >>>>>> grazed the atmosphere and bounced off. The differential force between >>>>>> the planet-side and space-side of the asteroid would have to be
    enough
    to stop the spin, and the asteroid itself would have to possess
    enough
    internal strength to resist coming apart from this stress, or
    differential heating.


    The problem is you are trying to make sense of my brief description. >>>>> IIRC, the process was as follows:

    1) a probe rendezvoused with an asteroid. The asteroid was de-spun,
    ejecting rocks (really? BTW, at least one of the rocks was 50+
    meters in
    diameter).

    I assume there is a solid core asteroid with some loosely bound
    detritus. It must be rotating very slowly.


    2) the probe then started pushing the asteroid into what would had
    been
    an orbit about Earth.

    3) the probe engine stopped working with the asteroid on a collision >>>>> course with Earth (note for space regulatory agencies - don't allow
    asteroid relocations that could collide with Earth if the drive stops >>>>> working at the wrong time).

    4) Several of the ejected rocks hit Earth before the arrival of the
    asteroid (really? - BTW, I did think of a handwave today, the rocks >>>>> were
    in fairly distant orbits around the asteroid - though I have
    significant
    doubts about that).

    I see.-a Very different.

    I agree with your comments, but at least this is far more plausible.

    Though personally if anyone intends to move an asteroid into an
    earth- impacting orbit I'm in favour of stopping them, with extreme
    prejudice if necessary.

    In fact, don't allow any asteroid relocations of any kind without
    the approval of, and participation of, every space faring and/or
    nuclear armed state in the solar system.


    William Hyde

    Including the space alien invaders who are slowly moving rocks into
    place to drop on us ?-a Lots of books project that scenario.

    Lynn

    I expect we can make our feelings understood
    when that's the prospect.

    I highly doubt that we have any deep space weapons.

    Lynn


    We will have them soon enough for killing each other in space.
    After all it seems to be a favorite pastime. And then there is
    improvisation from other equipment. See my note about plasma
    drilling.

    bliss
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