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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:

On 2025-09-24 04:20, rbowman wrote:

. . .

written in 1886, 'Five Weeks in a Balloon' from 1863 was one of Verne's

. . .

the globe. Ok... but that is against the principle that energy can not
be created nor destroyed, only transformed. He can get the same effect

Yeah, Helmholtz's 1847 paper is usually pointed to as the
turning point when people in science circles really started
to accept the principle, and by 1850 you already see the
phrase "the law of the conservation of energy" being used.

His essay on energy conservation, which was his first big
contribution, came out of his background in medicine and philosophy.

He got into the topic while studying how muscles burn energy.
What he was trying to show is that no energy disappears during
muscle movement, and the idea behind that was that you do
not need some special "vital force" to make muscles work.

That was a pushback against Naturphilosophie and vitalism,
which at the time were pretty mainstream in German physiology.

He was countering the vitalist claim that "living force" could
keep a machine running forever.

Verne was born in 1828, so he would have been in his mid-twenties
when energy conservation was starting to get traction. His
take on the world might have still been shaped more by what he
picked up earlier. And really, how many people today keep up
with major shifts in physics after they finish school, like
even having a clue about what Bell's Inequalities are?

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On 25/09/2025 12:14, Stefan Ram wrote:

And really, how many people today keep up
with major shifts in physics after they finish school, like
even having a clue about what Bell's Inequalities are?

Some of us try....
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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14


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On 2025-09-25 13:14, Stefan Ram wrote:

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:

On 2025-09-24 04:20, rbowman wrote:

. . .

written in 1886, 'Five Weeks in a Balloon' from 1863 was one of Verne's

. . .

the globe. Ok... but that is against the principle that energy can not
be created nor destroyed, only transformed. He can get the same effect

Yeah, Helmholtz's 1847 paper is usually pointed to as the
turning point when people in science circles really started
to accept the principle, and by 1850 you already see the
phrase "the law of the conservation of energy" being used.

His essay on energy conservation, which was his first big
contribution, came out of his background in medicine and philosophy.

He got into the topic while studying how muscles burn energy.
What he was trying to show is that no energy disappears during
muscle movement, and the idea behind that was that you do
not need some special "vital force" to make muscles work.

That was a pushback against Naturphilosophie and vitalism,
which at the time were pretty mainstream in German physiology.

He was countering the vitalist claim that "living force" could
keep a machine running forever.

Verne was born in 1828, so he would have been in his mid-twenties
when energy conservation was starting to get traction. His
take on the world might have still been shaped more by what he
picked up earlier. And really, how many people today keep up
with major shifts in physics after they finish school, like
even having a clue about what Bell's Inequalities are?

Ok, we'll excuse him :-)

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