• MT VOID, 08/08/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 6, Whole Number 2392

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    THE MT VOID
    08/08/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 6, Whole Number 2392

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    Topics:
    Tsundoku
    Mini Reviews, Part 19 (UNEARTHLY STRANGER, THE LAST MAN ON
    EARTH, CRACK IN THE WORLD, THE DEVIL RIDES OUT
    (THE DEVIL'S BRIDE)) (film comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    WHEN THE MOON HITS YOUR EYE by John Scalzi (book review
    by Paul S. R. Chisholm)
    Fear of Death (letter of comment by Hal Heydt)
    A CITY ON MARS (letter of comment by Hal Heydt)
    RUMOURS (letter of comment by Paul Dormer)
    This Week's Reading (SPEAKING IN TONGUES) (book comments
    by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Tsundoku

    Today's magic word is "tsundoku": "the phenomenon of acquiring
    reading materials but letting them pile up in one's home without
    reading them. The term is also used to refer to unread books on a
    bookshelf meant for reading later." [-Wikipedia]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 19 (film comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    While I plan on watching most of the films on Mark's list of
    "Neglected Gems", I will be skipping a few. I think there may be
    one or two I don't have, and there are also films that I just find
    too unpleasant to watch. In this latter category are three films
    from the 1960s and early 1970s: THE MIND BENDERS (1962),
    WITCHFINDER GENERAL (THE CONQUEROR WORM) (1968), and BLOOD ON
    SATAN'S CLAW (SATAN'S SKIN) (1972).

    UNEARTHLY STRANGER (1963): UNEARTHLY STRANGER was made by Anglo
    Amalgamated, who also made THE MIND BENDERS (another of Mark's
    "forgotten science fiction films") and the "Carry On" films.

    The film is told in flashback, and there is an odd continuity
    problem which makes one think the framing sequence was added later
    by someone who did not read the script very closely. (In the
    opening, the character who is the skeptic in the main part of the
    film talks about how he believed and the other character was the
    skeptic.)

    (Also, the claim is that the aliens don't blink, except they do.)

    Once again we have a shot of a spiral staircase shot off
    kilter--this is a real favorite of directors.

    Released theatrically April 1964.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057623/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/unearthly-stranger>


    THE LAST MAN ON EARTH (1964): In general, people disparage
    voice-over narration, but if you have a movie called "The Last Man
    in Earth", and you aren't making a silent movie, you need
    something. What THE LAST MAN ON EARTH does is provide a voice-over
    of Morgan's thoughts, rather than a narration spoken to the
    viewer. It does seem a little forced at times, but I cannot think
    of anything that would work better. A large part of the film is
    flash-back, showing how the situation came about, so the
    voice-over thoughts are only about half the film.

    (Okay, it turns out that the sentient beings who apparently don't
    count as men speak also. And of course, back in 1964 "men" was
    understood to include "women" as well.)

    If garlic repels the vampires, why does Morgan just wear a
    necklace of garlic all the time? For that matter, are they
    vampires? They act more like zombies than any vampires from
    previous films. Actually, they are a mix: they shamble around like
    zombies, but they have the power of speech. They are also capable
    of feeling pain, which seems to fit with neither.

    Also, collecting a bunch of small mirrors seems inefficient,
    especially since it's not clear what Morgan does with them.

    The unsung heroes of this film are the location scout (whose name
    I cannot find anywhere) and the set designer (Brunello Serena
    Ulloa, who did only a half dozen films, all Italian). It is shot
    in widescreen black and white, and there are a lot of striking
    locations, both at the beginning, and then throughout the film.

    Based on Richard Matheson's novel I AM LEGEND, its script was
    partly written by Matheson, but he was dissatisfied with it and
    insisted he be credited by the pseudonym "Logan Swanson". The
    novel has also been adapted as THE OMEGA MAN (1971) and I AM
    LEGEND (2007).

    Released theatrically 06 May 1964.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058700/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1050388-last_man_on_earth>


    CRACK IN THE WORLD (1965): Apparently having a crack forming in
    the earth's mantle that is spreading and will destroy the earth is
    not enough--the screenwriter decided the story needed a love
    triangle as well. To quote Carl Denham:

    Weston: "You never had a woman in any of your pictures. Why do you
    want one?"

    Carl: "Holy mackerel! Do you think I wanna haul a woman around?"

    Weston: "Then why?"

    Carl: "Because the public, bless them, must have a pretty face."

    Weston: "Sure, everybody likes romance."

    Carl: "Well, Isn't there any romance or adventure without having a
    flapper in it?"

    Englehorn: "Well, Mr. Denham, why not take a picture in a
    monastery?"

    Carl: "Makes me sore. I go out, sweat blood to make a swell
    picture ... then the critics and the exhibitors all say: 'If this
    picture had love interest, it would gross twice as much.' Alright.
    The public wants a girl, and this time I'm gonna give what they
    want."

    A lot of the stock footage in CRACK IN THE WORLD seems jarringly
    different in quality, and the science in this, especially at the
    end, does leave something to be desired.

    Released theatrically 15 April 1965.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0059065/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/crack_in_the_world>


    THE DEVIL RIDES OUT (THE DEVIL'S BRIDE) (1968): THE DEVIL RIDES
    OUT was renamed THE DEVIL'S BRIDE when released in the United
    States (apparently to avoid sounding like a Western). There are
    two problems with this. First, there is no bride of the Devil in
    this film. Second, the soundtrack is by James Bernard, and Bernard
    has a quirk in his soundtracks where (when possible), he has the
    opening notes of the soundtrack be such that one can sing the
    title to it. However, Bernard is writing for the original film;
    when the United States distributor renames the film, this "trick"
    is broken.

    This film also has the "fake ending" one sometimes see, where
    everything seems resolved but in fact there is yet another threat
    or twist. This is usually about twenty minutes from the end, and
    we first noticed it in POLTERGEIST. On our second viewing, when
    the "fake ending" came along, several audience members got up to
    leave (presumably to beat the rush out of the parking lot). We
    were torn between not wanting to give away anything to the people
    remaining, and wanting to yell at them, "Come back, you
    morons--you're missing the best part!"

    (We see some of this in the multiple farewells of THE LORD OF THE
    RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING.)

    Of the film, this is a stylish Hammer production, more literate
    than many of their films. The main flaw are some of the special
    effects, and the somewhat deus ex machina ending. The use of
    reversing and forwarding the film of one of the demons rather than
    creating more of the effect looks cheesy, and the spider is
    clearly crawling up a pane of glass.

    This is considerably better than TO THE DEVIL A DAUGHTER (1976),
    the other Hammer film based on Dennis Wheatley's"Black Magic"
    novels, and miles ahead of THE LOST CONTINENT (1968), the third
    Hammer Dennis Wheatley film.

    Released theatrically August 1968.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062885/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/devil_rides_out>

    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: WHEN THE MOON HITS YOUR EYE by John Scalzi (book review by
    Paul S. R. Chisholm)

    The Moon is now made of cheese. Okay, now what?

    The answer depends on who you are. The President? The Pope?
    Young-Earth creationists? Astronauts preparing for an imminent
    landing? A space billionaire, specifically not Elon Musk or Jeff
    Bezos, building the landing craft for that mission, now on
    indefinite hold? Museum curators whose collections include (what
    were once) moon rocks? Finance bros turned wannabe gourmands?

    Scalzi leans heavily into the absurdity of the situation in the
    first half of the book. Then the story takes a turn and the mood
    changes hard.

    The ending, in retrospect, is inevitable. Even so, I was a little
    disappointed. (I felt the same way about REDSHIRTS.) I was also
    sad the book said nothing about outgassing.

    Still, it's a good read. [-psrc]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Fear of Death (letter of comment by Hal Heydt)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on MICKEY 17 in the 08/01/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Hal Heydt writes:

    [Evelyn writes,] "But the logical continuation of that is that
    humans who believe in Heaven shouldn't be afraid of death, and the
    humans who believe in reincarnation/samsara shouldn't be afraid of
    death either." [-ecl]

    By that logic, as someone somewhere between atheist and agnostic,
    I should be afraid of death. I'm not. I first faced my real
    chance of death a bit over twenty-five years ago and found it
    didn't bother me at all. (The situation was prepping for bypass
    surgery. Not all who undergo it survive. My vastly bigger fear
    was surviving with brain damage, which can also happen.)

    Quietly, for a good many years, I have maintained that, if
    Dorothy's beliefs were correct, I will tear the afterlife apart
    seeking her out. If my beliefs are correct, all that is left of
    her are the words she wrote and the memories of the living. If I
    manage to carry out her last wishes, I will find out which of us
    is correct after at least another seventeen years. [-hh]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: A CITY ON MARS (letter of comment by Hal Heydt)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on A CITY ON MARS in the 08/01/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Hal Heydt writes:

    [Evelyn writes,] "I leave it to the reader to decide how likely
    this plan is, either in getting people to agree to it, or in
    creating a fully self-sustaining city when almost all the
    inhabitants are either children or permanently pregnant women."
    [-ecl]

    See Asimov's story featuring "Might Maxon". I've forgotten the
    story title, but someone is sure the know once the character name
    is present as a trigger. [-hh]

    [Evelyn writes,] "... Musk sets a million people as what is needed
    for a self-sustaining civilization, and seems to assume that is
    also sufficient. The logicians among you know that "necessary" and
    "sufficient" are not at all the same; if Forth Worth, Texas (a
    city of a million people) were somehow transported to Mars in a
    protective bubble, everyone would starve fairly quickly, assuming
    they didn't run out of oxygen first. How Musk thinks a highly
    technological civilization can be self-sufficient on Mars in forty
    years is a mystery." [-ecl]

    Graydon Saunders in his "Commonweal" books
    grapples--peripherally--with the issue of how many people it takes
    to sustain a "technological" society. They periodically bring up
    the issue of whether or not 1.5 million is enough. There are
    references to a list being maintained of what they cannot--at any
    given moment--make for themselves with the note that the list
    starts with "abrasives" and isn't getting any shorter. One
    periodic mention is finding a substitute for
    tropical gums for binders in printers ink, as the Second
    Commonweal is completely within the temperate zone. [-hh]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: RUMOURS (letter of comment by Paul Dormer)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on RUMOURS in the 08/01/25 issue
    of the MT VOID, Paul Dormer writes:

    [RUMOURS] is on Sky Cinema in the UK this week, and I've long been
    a Maddin fan, so I'm going to record it. [-pd]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    SPEAKING IN TONGUES by J. M. Coetzee and Mariana Dimopulos
    (Liveright, ISBN 978-1-324-09645-0) is primarily about
    translation, and had its genesis in the fact that Coetzee wrote a
    short novel, "The Pole" in English, but which first appeared in
    print in Spanish, translated by Dimopulos. This led to the
    question of whether the English or the Spanish was the "original"
    text.

    There were three aspects of translation that stood out in this
    discussion: gender, familiarity, and "mother tongues".

    Gender: How do you translate from a language that is gendered and
    one that is not? In English, nouns are not gendered (e.g.,
    "doctor" applies to both male and female doctors)(*), but pronouns
    are (or have been). In Spanish, both are gendered (e.g., "el
    medico" vs. "la medica", "el" vs. "ella"). In Turkish, neither are
    gendered.

    (*) With exceptions such as "poetess", "actress", "Jewess", and a
    few others, many of which are disappearing from use.

    So if the original is in Turkish, how does an English translation
    decide which pronouns to apply to an ungendered doctor who is not
    specifically described as male or female? And what does a Spanish
    translation from English do about "the doctor" with no pronouns:
    "el medico" or "la medica"?

    Familiarity: In Spanish, "tu" vs. "usted" shows you the
    relationship between people--what does this in an English
    translation? And going the other way, how does the translator
    decide which to use when?

    In some sense, both of these (gender and familiarity) are the same
    problem: distinctions in one language that do not exist in
    another. A common example given is that Russian has no single word
    for "blue", but instead has two words, one for "light blue"
    ("goluboy") and one for "dark blue" ("siniy"). (Both Google and
    DuckDuckGo translate "blue" as "siniy".)

    "Mother tongue": If in a novel in English has some people
    occasionally speak in Spanish (being their mother tongue, or even
    as a way to conceal what they're saying), what does a Spanish
    translation do with this?

    (When this happens in movies, I will sometimes switch the
    subtitles to that language, just to see what they do.)

    Coetzee says to Dimoppulos, "your fantasy, that you were composing
    the book in Spanish, for the first time--that you were in a sense
    its author--was not unfounded." This immediately brought to mind
    the Jorge Luis Borges story, "Pierra Menard, Author of the
    Quixote", in which Menard does not translate DON QUIXOTE, but
    concentrates on the work so much that he in fact recreates the old
    Spanish as the author--the literary equivalent of method acting.

    Coetzee also says, "In a film set in ancient Rome, you observe, we
    do not expect Julius Caesar to speak in Latin. But--a thought
    experiment--would it not be interesting if Shakespeare's JULIUS
    CAESAR could be performed in a hupothetical Latin two thousand
    years old, subtitled for our convenience in our own language? We
    might learn a lot from the experience, principally about points of untranslatability between Caesar's time and ours, points at which
    the Romans are irretrievably alien to us." But the subtitling is
    merely translation back into English, so it's not clear what is
    accomplished by this--there is no untranslatability visible to a
    viewer who doesn't know Latin.

    And this has been done. Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST was
    entirely in Latin, Hebrew, and Aramaic, then subtitled in English.
    But it started with a script in English, which was then translated
    into Latin, Hebrew, or Aramaic. And the, that was translated into
    the English subtitles. This may be because subtitles have more
    restrictions than dialogue: they have to be brief enough for
    people to be able to read them in the time they are on the screen.
    (The rule of thumb seems to be no more than two lines of text,
    displayed from two to four seconds. How one would do this with
    rapid-fire dialogue is left as an exercise for the subtitler.)

    (Of course, Greek was actually more in use than Latin at the time,
    but the translator decided to use Latin, for which there was more
    historical record of upper-class versus lower-class usage. See <https://www.daytranslations.com/blog/languages-used-passion-christ
    -movie/> for more information.)

    Gibson also filmed APOCALYPTO using the Yucatec Mayan language,
    although this was based on the modern language, as we have no
    records of what the pre-Columbian version would have sounded like.

    All in all, a lot to get out of a 120-page book. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    Evelyn C. Leeper
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com


    What has the study of biology taught you about the
    Creator, Dr. Haldane?" JBS Haldane: "I'm not sure,
    but He seems to be inordinately fond of beetles."


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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 10:58:12 2025
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    On 8/10/25 9:07 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

    TOPIC: Tsundoku

    Today's magic word is "tsundoku": "the phenomenon of acquiring
    reading materials but letting them pile up in one's home without
    reading them. The term is also used to refer to unread books on a
    bookshelf meant for reading later." [-Wikipedia]

    Adding this word to my vocabulary.

    This film also has the "fake ending" one sometimes see, where
    everything seems resolved but in fact there is yet another threat
    or twist. This is usually about twenty minutes from the end, and
    we first noticed it in POLTERGEIST. On our second viewing, when
    the "fake ending" came along, several audience members got up to
    leave (presumably to beat the rush out of the parking lot). We
    were torn between not wanting to give away anything to the people
    remaining, and wanting to yell at them, "Come back, you
    morons--you're missing the best part!"

    Haydn used that trick in his 90th symphony. It comes to what seems like
    a typical emphatic ending, pauses for four measures during which the
    audience will doubtless start applauding, and then resumes quietly in
    the "wrong" key, building to the real ending a minute and a half later.

    By that logic, as someone somewhere between atheist and agnostic,
    I should be afraid of death.-a I'm not. I first faced my real
    chance of death a bit over twenty-five years ago and found it
    didn't bother me at all. (The situation was prepping for bypass
    surgery. Not all who undergo it survive.-a My vastly bigger fear
    was surviving with brain damage, which can also happen.)

    As I understand the terms, you can't really be "between" atheist and
    agnostic. To be atheistic means not to believe in a god. To be agnostic
    means to think the question of a deity's existence can't be resolved. An agnostic can believe that there's a god in spite of that lack of
    evidence, or not.

    The main point is that being atheistic doesn't require affirmatively
    believing in the non-existence of a god. Someone who has never been
    exposed to the idea of gods and hasn't come up with it independently
    would be an atheist.

    Personally, I don't fear death (the state of being dead), but I do fear
    dying (the process).
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From djheydt@djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 19:24:14 2025
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    In article <107ac24$1vbbm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:
    By that logic, as someone somewhere between atheist and agnostic,
    I should be afraid of death.-a I'm not. I first faced my real
    chance of death a bit over twenty-five years ago and found it
    didn't bother me at all. (The situation was prepping for bypass
    surgery. Not all who undergo it survive.-a My vastly bigger fear
    was surviving with brain damage, which can also happen.)

    As I understand the terms, you can't really be "between" atheist and >agnostic. To be atheistic means not to believe in a god. To be agnostic >means to think the question of a deity's existence can't be resolved. An >agnostic can believe that there's a god in spite of that lack of
    evidence, or not.

    The main point is that being atheistic doesn't require affirmatively >believing in the non-existence of a god. Someone who has never been
    exposed to the idea of gods and hasn't come up with it independently
    would be an atheist.

    Personally, I don't fear death (the state of being dead), but I do fear >dying (the process).

    [Hal Heydt]

    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    As for death... In the specific instance, I would never have
    experienced dying.
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  • From Jay Morris@morrisj@epsilon3.me to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 16:37:28 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 8/10/2025 8:07 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    UNEARTHLY STRANGER (1963): UNEARTHLY STRANGER was made by Anglo
    Amalgamated, who also made THE MIND BENDERS (another of Mark's
    "forgotten science fiction films") and the "Carry On" films.

    The film is told in flashback, and there is an odd continuity
    problem which makes one think the framing sequence was added later
    by someone who did not read the script very closely. (In the
    opening, the character who is the skeptic in the main part of the
    film talks about how he believed and the other character was the
    skeptic.)

    (Also, the claim is that the aliens don't blink, except they do.)

    The only time I noticed any blinking was at the dinner table and I think
    Julia was playing upon the line "Thank you Kindly Sir she said" and John follows up with "as she waved her wooden leg aloft". This was evidently
    a saying at the time.


    Once again we have a shot of a spiral staircase shot off
    kilter--this is a real favorite of directors.

    Released theatrically April 1964.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057623/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/unearthly-stranger>
    It's at Internet Archives. I enjoyed it, https://archive.org/details/unearthly-stranger
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 19:58:56 2025
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    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Perhaps it makes you actually a god, but you don't know it yet?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 20:20:00 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    On 8/10/25 3:24 PM, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
    In article <107ac24$1vbbm$1@dont-email.me>,
    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:

    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Both. You say you don't know whether the question can be resolved.
    That's the agnostic position. You also say your default position is that god(s) do not exist. That's the atheist position. The two aren't
    mutually exclusive.

    As for death... In the specific instance, I would never have
    experienced dying.

    Sounds to me like the best way to die, given that we have to.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From Tim Illingworth@tim@smofs.org to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Aug 10 21:47:00 2025
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    On 8/10/2025 7:58 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Dorothy J Heydt <djheydt@kithrup.com> wrote:
    I don't know whether or not the existence of one or more deities
    can be resolved. I do know that, at least to my satisfaction, that
    it has not been. To date, despite great efforts by many people
    over many centuries, there is a profound lack of evidence or
    demonstration FOR the existence of a god or gods. So far, this
    makes the probability of such existence extremely low, so--at
    present--my default position is that god(s) do not exist.

    So....you tell me. Does that make me an atheist or an
    agnostic...or some fuzzy state in between the two that has not
    yet had a quantum collapse?

    Perhaps it makes you actually a god, but you don't know it yet?
    --scott


    You are Emperor Claudius and I claim my 5 million sesterces.

    Tim

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  • From prd@prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk (Paul Dormer) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Mon Aug 11 16:43:40 2025
    From Newsgroup: rec.arts.sf.fandom

    In article <107a5ib$1scd5$1@dont-email.me>,
    evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com (Evelyn C. Leeper) wrote:

    [RUMOURS] is on Sky Cinema in the UK this week, and I've long been
    a Maddin fan, so I'm going to record it. [-pd]

    Nowhere as weird as his other films.
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