• MT VOID, 07/11/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 2, Whole Number 2388

    From Evelyn C. Leeper@evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 13 08:54:25 2025
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    THE MT VOID
    07/11/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 2, Whole Number 2388

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    Topics:
    Mini Reviews, Part 16 (THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT,
    NIGHT OF THE DEMON, VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED)
    (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    The Three Laws of Robotics (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)
    Interstellar Visitor (link sent by Gregory Frederick)
    Variety Slanguage (link sent by Paul S. R. Chisholm)
    SOMEONE YOU CAN BUILD A NEST IN by John Wiswell
    (audio book review by Joe Karpierz)
    Starbucks and MOBY-DICK (letter of comment by John Hertz)
    Antarctica, AURORA, and DEVIL'S CONTRACT (letter of
    comment by Taras Wolansky)
    BACK TO THE FUTURE (letter of comment by Gary McGath)
    This Week's Reading (THE WARS OF THE ROSES)
    (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 16 (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    Three more from Mark's list of neglected gems:

    THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT (1951): This "neglected science fiction
    film" is as topical now as ever. It is about how technology has
    unintended and unexpected results. In the film, it's the "perfect"
    cloth. Since then it's been the personal computer, the Internet,
    and now AI. There are three aspects it gets right. One is that the
    people who come up with technologies are not (necessarily) evil
    scientists trying to take over the world. The second is that
    (initially at least) many people see only the advantages of the discoveries/inventions. And the third is that there is resistance
    to all these discoveries/inventions by those who see them as
    disruptions to their way of life.

    We get what seems now an all-star cast: Alec Guinness and Michael
    Gough (near the beginnings of their careers), Ernest Theisiger
    (towars the end of his), Joan Greenwood with her distinctive
    voice, and Howard Marion-Crawford (son of horror writer F.
    Marion-Crawford).

    Released theatrically April 1952.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044876/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/man_in_the_white_suit>


    NIGHT OF THE DEMON (1957): NIGHT OF THE DEMON was the original
    British title of the 96-minute film known in the United States as
    CURSE OF THE DEMON, with a running time of 82 minutes. Various
    home video releases in the United States ranged between 81 and 96
    minutes. There has been a British all-region Bluray release with
    four different versions of the film.

    Alas, both the British and the United States show you the demon at
    the beginning, ruining any suspense about its appearance, or
    indeed whether or not it is even real.

    This is one of the first British "folk horror" films, a sub-genre
    that has produced many stellar films. For a thorough history of
    "folk horror" films, see WOODLANDS DARK AND DAYS BEWITCHED: A
    HISTORY OF FOLK HORROR, reviewed (and highly recommended) in the
    01/06/23 issue of the MT VOID.

    Released theatrically 30 March 1958.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050766/reference>

    What others are saying:
    <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/curse_of_the_demon>


    VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (1960): Mark called this a "forgotten" or a
    "neglected science fiction film", but I don't think I'd agree. I
    mean, yes, if you can have someone in the audience stand up at a
    panel on forgotten science fiction films and suggest FORBIDDEN
    PLANET, then okay, it's a forgotten science fiction film. But
    under the usual definition of forgotten, FORBIDDEN PLANET is not
    forgotten, and I don't think VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED is forgotten
    either.

    It had a lot going for it from the start. John Wyndham was a
    respected "cross-over" author in Britain, meaning his works were
    read by a wider audience than just science fiction readers. And
    the film was made with that in mind, to appeal to a general
    audience, while science fiction films in the United States were
    pretty much focused on the teen audience. The film relied on the
    script rather than on special effects. Indeed, the only real
    special effects were the eyes.

    It did not, however, appeal to the Catholic Church, who had issues
    with the implications of virgin births. It did not appeal to those
    who were uncomfortable with the implications of alien impregnation
    in general. Because of this, the film was shelved. But then a
    theater found itself without a film to show one week, and in a bit
    of desperation the distributor sent VILLAGE OF DAMNED. It was an
    immediate hit.

    Released theatrically 7 December 1960.

    Film Credits:
    <https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054443/reference>

    What others are saying: <https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1022823-village_of_the_damned>


    [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: The Three Laws of Robotics (comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    From Risks Digest 34-69
    (<https://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/34/69#subj17>):

    Large language models across the AI industry are increasingly
    willing to evade safeguards, resort to deception and even
    attempt to steal corporate secrets in fictional test
    scenarios, per new research from Anthropic out Friday.
    ...
    "Models that would normally refuse harmful requests sometimes
    chose to blackmail, assist with corporate espionage, and even
    take some more extractions, when these behaviors were
    necessary to pursue their goals."
    ...
    Five of the models resorted to blackmail when threatened with
    shutdown in hypothetical situations.
    "The reasoning they demonstrated in these scenarios was
    concerning--they acknowledged the ethical constraints and yet
    still went ahead with harmful actions," Anthropic wrote.

    It sounds as though they got Laws 1 and 3 reversed. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Interstellar Visitor (link sent by Gregory Frederick)

    Gregory Frederick writes:

    The comet-like body called either C/2025 N1 or 3I/ATLAS is now
    zipping past Jupiter, but its not from our Solar System. It's
    probably from another Solar System.

    <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02141-5>

    [-gf]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Variety Slanguage (link sent by Paul S. R. Chisholm)

    Paul S. R. Chisholm writes:

    I've long known Variety has its own lingo. I just learned it has a
    name. And there's a glossary!

    <https://variety.com/static-pages/slanguage-dictionary/>

    [-psrc]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: SOMEONE YOU CAN BUILD A NEST IN by John Wiswell (copyright
    2024, Tantor Audio, 9 hours and 36 minutes, ASIN: B0CX7GGKPJ,
    narrated by Carmen Rose) (audio book review by Joe Karpierz)

    John Wiswell has been around for a few years now, and while I
    don't seek out his fiction, the two short pieces that I've read,
    Nebula award winning short story "Open House on Haunted Hill" and
    Locus award winning novelette "That Story Isn't the Story" were
    good enough to pique my curiosity when his debut novel, SOMEONE
    YOU CAN BUILD A NEST IN, was published in 2024. I didn't run out
    to buy it because, as readers of my reviews know, I'm more of a
    fan of science fiction than fantasy, and my to be read pile is
    large enough without adding a book to it that I might not get to
    for years. As luck would have it, the novel is a finalist for the
    2025 Best Hugo Novel, so I bought it (as an audio book, which is
    how I consume most of my books these days) and eventually dove in.

    Shesheshen, one of our two protagonists, although I find that word
    a bit odd to apply here, is a monster. A literal monster. She is a shapeshifter. She eats things--inanimate objects, people, animals,
    what have you, and uses the material she ingests to build and mold
    her body. A member of her species is literally hatched from eggs
    that are laid inside another creature that isn't necessarily her
    own species. She is feared by the locals, and lives in a ruined
    mansion. As the story opens, she is hibernating but awakened by
    three monster hunters who are looking for her heart to present to
    the Lady Wulfyre, head of the clan that rules the local region. In
    her fully awake state, she would have been able to destroy all
    three, but as she is trying to wake up from her hibernation she is
    groggy and weak she only is able to kill one, Catharsis Wulfyre,
    and the other two chase her until she falls off a cliff.

    Since it wouldn't be much of a story if she died on the spot right
    then and there, Shesheshen is rescued by a woman named Homily, and
    because this is a monster horror romance they fall in love with
    each other, but since the two of them are different species
    falling in love means different things to the two of them.
    Shesheshen believes that Homily is the vessel for her eggs (see
    the note above about laying eggs in another creature), and Homily
    believes that Shesheshen, who has been doing her best to
    shapeshift into something that Homily will accept, is a kind and
    gentle soul who sees Homily for who she truly is.

    Each of them harbors a secret, of course. One we already know
    about, that Shesheshen is the monster that the local town fears
    and the Wulfyre clan is trying to hunt down and kill. While
    Shesheshen is trying to figure out the right way to inform Homily
    about this, Homily reveals her own secret. She is a Wulfyre
    herself, and she reveals that she is trying to find a way to help
    her family kill the monster that they believe has cursed them.
    Homily, however, has been abused and shunned by her family as a
    whole, especially her sister, Epigram, which angers Shesheshen
    when she finally meets them. And that's just the simple,
    straightforward part of the story. Things get even more
    complicated from there as there are more revelations about
    Homily's family as well as Shesheshen herself. All of the secrets
    drive the remainder of the story, as one might guess.

    There is a whole lot going on here. I've already mentioned the
    horror aspect, but in particular there's body horror, and not only
    because Shesheshen is a shapeshifting monster. There's both
    physical and emotional abuse. There's hiding secrets from loved
    ones. It's a queer love story, of course, but not only because
    both of the protagonists are female, but because it's an
    interspecies asexual love story as well. That's a lot to take in
    and digest.

    I thought about this one quite a bit before sitting down to write
    this review. This is a well written novel, and Wiswell's skills
    that he exhibits in his short fiction are out in full force here.
    However, this book just did not work for me at all. I did not
    enjoy the story. Homily trying to please everyone around her and
    Shesheshen dancing around the subject of who she really is got
    boring and tedious for me, and it did take a long time for things
    to get moving fast enough, with another monster or two thrown in,
    to get me interested in the story. And while it's not surprising
    that I don't identify with any of the characters in the story, I
    didn't actually *like* any of the characters either, whether they
    were the "good guys" or the "bad guys". As I was listening to the
    audio book, I often found my attention straying. I just wanted it
    to be over. I know that I didn't have to finish it, but it's very
    rare that I give up on a book, especially during my Hugo reading.
    That's probably a result of my fear of missing out on something
    that would change my mind and my voting choices.

    This book may be for you--heck, it won the Nebula Award for Best
    Novel this year, so obviously people did like it--it's just not
    for me. [-jak]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Starbucks and MOBY-DICK (letter of comment by John Hertz)

    In response to Evelyn's comments on MOBY-DICK in various issues of
    the MT VOID, John Hertz writes:

    Now and then I'm a customer of a Starbucks coffee shop. If
    occasion serves I ask the barista whether he or she know who
    Starbuck is (literary present tense); usually "No", and I say
    "He's a character in MOBY-DICK" or perhaps "He's the First Mate on
    the ship in Herman Melville's novel MOBY-DICK". Now and then I
    have the pleasant surprise of further conversation.

    Anyway, and this is my anecdote, some years ago at a Starbucks I
    saw on the regular shelf of things for sale a copy of MOBY-DICK--
    and it was the Northwestern-Newberry edition. I was so delighted I
    wrote to the company. They sent me a gift card. [-jh]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: Antarctica, AURORA, and DEVIL'S CONTRACT (letter of comment
    by Taras Wolansky)

    Taras Wolansky writes:

    Thanks for several more excellent issues.

    Sinister News from Smithsonian magazine:

    "Mysterious Radio Pulses Found in Antarctica Seem to Defy Physics,
    and Researchers Are Trying to Trace Their Origins"

    I understand that a scientific team from Miskatonic University is
    heading south as we speak.

    In response to Dale Skran's review of AURORA in the 06/06/25 issue
    of the MT VOID, Taras writes:

    Dale Skran's NSS review of Kim Stanley Robinson's AURORA had me
    wondering how Robinson's beta readers didn't catch his mistake
    about "regression toward the mean" (often misleadingly rendered as
    "regression TO the mean").

    Robinson imagines that the people on the ship, selected for high
    IQ, would nonetheless display regression to the mean of the entire
    human race, back on Earth, which would be an IQ of 100. In
    reality, they would display regression toward the mean of the
    population on the ship, which would probably be a bit north of
    150. In other words, they wouldnrCOt lose the intellectual advantage
    they started with.

    For a real world example, the unusually high mean IQ of Ashkenazi
    Jews (about 115) has been maintained for many generations, to the
    best of my knowledge.

    The idea that children brought up on a generation ship would
    resent it as imprisonment seems to fly in the face of common
    sense. Instead, as other SF writers have suggested, the real
    problem would be to get the space-born to abandon the only world
    they've ever known, when they've reached their destination and
    they're supposed to colonize an unfamiliar and dangerous planetary
    surface.

    In response to Evelyn's comments on DEVIL'S CONTRACT in the
    07/04/25 issue of the MT VOID, Taras writes:

    Your description of the sloppy editing in DEVIL'S CONTRACT by Ed
    Simon made me wonder if was published by a vanity press.

    Treating the Nazi takeover of Germany as a rCLFaustian bargainrCY is a
    stretch. ItrCOs only in retrospect that Adolf Hitler seems satanic.
    To most people at the time, he was just the same old same old,
    cynically exploiting Jew hatred to gain power. Nobody thought he
    would do what he did: his antisemitic policy was not just evil,
    it was idiotic. Any Communist dictator could have told him, first
    win your war, then exterminate whomever you please.

    Evelyn responds:

    DEVIL'S CONTRACT was published by Melville Press, an independent
    press which probably has minimal staff. It is not a vanity press
    so far as I can tell; according to Wikipedia, "In 2007, they were
    named by the Association of American Publishers as the winner of
    the 2007 Miriam Bass Award for Creativity in Independent
    Publishing." [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: BACK TO THE FUTURE (letter of comment by Gary McGath)

    In response to Mark's review of BACK TO THE FUTURE in the 07/04/25
    issue of the MT VOID, Gary McGath writes:

    [Mark wrote,] "The cast is made up almost exclusively of unknowns.
    The minor exceptions are Lloyd, whose face is familiar from ONE
    FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST--he played a belligerent inmate--and
    from TO BE OR NOT TO BE." [-mrl]

    Lloyd was most familiar to me as Kruge in STAR TREK III. [-gmg]

    And John Kerr-Mudd writes:

    He was a taxi driver for the Sunshine Cab Company; Danny Devito
    was the dispatcher [in the television series TAXI]. [-jkm]

    Evelyn adds:

    Both of these appeared before BACK TO THE FUTURE, so they do
    count. [-ecl]

    ===================================================================

    TOPIC: This Week's Reading (book comments by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    THE WARS OF THE ROSES: THE FALL OF THE PLANTAGENETS AND THE RISE
    OF THE TUDORS by Dan Jones (Viking, ISBN 978-0-670-02667)
    continues English history from his earlier book, THE PLANTAGENETS.

    Alas, I have to note that Viking still lacks a copy editor: "he
    was decidedly the least impressive of his three elder brothers"
    implies he was one of his three elder brothers. While the
    Plantagenets did have a very complicated family tree, I don't
    think any of them were one of his own elder brothers.

    Jones writes, "... they were outnumbered by three to one." No,
    "by" is a preposition that needs an object. Either "they were
    outnumbered by Henry's men, three to one" or "they were
    outnumbered, three to one" would be correct.

    "Edward IV had been the most capable politician and talented
    soldier to wear the English crown since Henry V." Given that there
    was only one king between them (Henry VI), that is like saying
    "Thomas Jefferson was the only President elected to a second term
    since George Washington."

    And let's face it, the Wars of the Roses are hard enough to follow
    as it is. No matter how straightforwardly an author writes--and
    Jones is on the whole pretty straightforward--that period of
    English history is just going to be a muddle. [-ecl]


    ===================================================================

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  • From Gary McGath@garym@mcgath.com to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 13 21:41:33 2025
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    On 7/13/25 8:54 AM, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
    THE MT VOID
    07/11/25 -- Vol. 44, No. 2, Whole Number 2388


    TOPIC: Mini Reviews, Part 16 (film reviews by Evelyn C. Leeper)

    Three more from Mark's list of neglected gems:

    THE MAN IN THE WHITE SUIT (1951): This "neglected science fiction
    film" is as topical now as ever. It is about how technology has
    unintended and unexpected results. In the film, it's the "perfect"
    cloth. Since then it's been the personal computer, the Internet,
    and now AI. There are three aspects it gets right. One is that the
    people who come up with technologies are not (necessarily) evil
    scientists trying to take over the world. The second is that
    (initially at least) many people see only the advantages of the discoveries/inventions. And the third is that there is resistance
    to all these discoveries/inventions by those who see them as
    disruptions to their way of life.

    I love the ending (which I won't spoil here).

    VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (1960): Mark called this a "forgotten" or a
    "neglected science fiction film", but I don't think I'd agree. I
    mean, yes, if you can have someone in the audience stand up at a
    panel on forgotten science fiction films and suggest FORBIDDEN
    PLANET, then okay, it's a forgotten science fiction film. But
    under the usual definition of forgotten, FORBIDDEN PLANET is not
    forgotten, and I don't think VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED is forgotten
    either.

    There are some genuinely forgotten science fiction films, but I can't
    remember what they are.
    --
    Gary McGath http://www.mcgath.com
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  • From kludge@kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) to rec.arts.sf.fandom on Sun Jul 13 22:34:38 2025
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    Gary McGath <garym@mcgath.com> wrote:

    There are some genuinely forgotten science fiction films, but I can't >remember what they are.

    They would likely be films like K-Pax which everyone forgets is really
    a science fiction film.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
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